S3pro-can it out-shine D2H?

[nikonsiao]

Can i look at it from the Non technical point of view since the Nikon master had answered all the questions... :bsmilie:

Do you see S3pro selling like hotcakes? The Color reproduction is wonderful but can i justify by the price difference compared with a similar DSLR with similar capabilities?

 

[hongsien]

A troll often uses harsh words so that wars will start

There's SO much the D2H will win vs S3 Pro.

- i-TTL flash system vs TTL
- CLS vs no CLS
- Cam2000AF vs Cam900AF
- 3D MM II vs erm... not sure
- WT-1/WT-2 vs no WT
- Battery life
- 8 fps vs 3fps

These are just documented known specs...

It's a matter if one USES/NEED all those extras.......do you? How many of us need to wire the images directly to a server somewhere else? I have used cameras with no 3D metering ( I really still see no real use for that, the image the cam sees is two dimensional)............it all boils down what you need.........some 'think' they need it for other reasons ;-)

 

[espn]

Oh... then we just compare sensors is enough? No right? We're comparing features that make the camera goes the extra mile. If just by comparing sensors, sure, I'll agree D2H still has to catch up.

But with iTTL, CLS and much more, only you yourself will know if it matters. For sure I'll agree that the Cam2000AF is very good for all types of users from novices to professionals. The iTTL exposure and the 3D MM (sorry, it's not 3D MMII, only D2Hs is 3D MMII). Sadly, the S3 had none of the above. Sure, TTL is sufficient, but I'm pretty confident in Nikon's flash system. Especially the new iTTL and CLS. It's way better than D-TTL even.

Sure you don't need the WT (since it's an add on anyway), but 3D MM, high flash sync speed, Cam2000?

I would say D2H is a over featured camera than the S3 Pro but both about the same price range. Now, which is a better buy?

Sure again the sensor loses out, but that's all the S3 can match up? If so, then my comparison will surely stand. No hard feelings to all Fuji S3 users, but that's a fact.

Given the same price... more features... which is a better buy? The stand is clear. So back to the topic, can it outshine D2H?

If we balance the features, it's obvious, no.

 

[glennyong]

well no nid so much debate la.... the thread starter already got his mind on the D2h already wad.... posted a WTB for so long, its obvious he has set his mind on the D2h.

S3 will never win D2h in terms of capability.

 

[espn]

S3 will never win D2h in terms of capability.

Mild correction - S3 will never win D2h in terms of overall capability.

 

[hongsien]

Depends what the thread starter needs it for: if he needs the longer dynamic range and easier to get good colours (weddings, interior, etc.), go for the S3Pro.......if that's not so important (like for newspaper) then go for the D2H.........

The question should have been what camera do I need for what I need?

HS

 

[espn]

Actually, the D2H is just as capable for weddings and interior. The DR is still not too bad.

I wouldn't say the D2H is just for newspaper. I'm sure helluva D2H users will be shouting and cursing :bsmilie:

Again... if you ask that question, it's easy to see. Compare the features. That would show everything.

Cheers.

 

[glennyong]

hmmm... the prob of the D2h would be the MP count.. u cannot do much cropping, unless u are printing on pictures on 1024 by 512. coz for me, since i shoot NEF on 4mp full, and i will not be able to do cropping since i develop S8rs.. so.. if MP is his concern and priority, i guess S3 will be a better option rather den stick to 4mp.

Interpolation is erm.. another solution to the 4Mp... but i have yet to learn it tats why...

 

[espn]

S3 pro's RAW is 12mp compared with D2H's 4MP RAW. That would make a difference too.

4MP sure can't do much cropping. But 2mp is pretty sufficient to print S8Rs, so you now have 2mp size to play with cropping. I'm sure that's enough?

 

[totofile]

what's the price diff between S3 and d2h?

 

[glennyong]

S3 pro's RAW is 12mp compared with D2H's 4MP RAW. That would make a difference too.

4MP sure can't do much cropping. But 2mp is pretty sufficient to print S8Rs, so you now have 2mp size to play with cropping. I'm sure that's enough?

definately not enough when u are shooting birds on a 400 f/5.6 and the subject 1.5 -2m away...

for its its not enough.. but i am still finding a solution to it... so heh... to me.. MP is enough and its entirely dependant on wht u wanna shoot too..

 

[Neuva]

Thanks everyone's response, I am just a hobbyist into sport and portrait, hmm i have 3.5 k to upgrade from my dogy F80, have a tele lens with f2.8. so that was y i started up this thread for a guideline. sorry

 

[Belle&Sebastain]

F80 and F5 looks very alike, and in terms of bulit, with the grip, the S3 to me looks more like the F5 while the S1 and S2 is more like the F80... well... they all look the same....

i don't think so can i spot the difference from a distance away.

and i'm not even a nikon user.

 

[Neuva]

well no nid so much debate la.... the thread starter already got his mind on the D2h already wad.... posted a WTB for so long, its obvious he has set his mind on the D2h.

S3 will never win D2h in terms of capability.

Posted my WTB thread for so long yeah, but doesn't mean I have offer coming along. All I've got were advises from some Csers whom I've knew here to go for S3Pro instead for better results of colour capability since I am fond of portrait shots but apparently doen't seems to be a good companion for sports. Started up this thread as I thought to collate more comments from individual points and if this, by anyway, has upset you then you jolly well stop putting down your comments here.

 

[hOrizoNsKy]

Posted my WTB thread for so long yeah, but doesn't mean I have offer coming along. All I've got were advises from some Csers whom I've knew here to go for S3Pro instead for better results of colour capability since I am fond of portrait shots but apparently doen't seems to be a good companion for sports. Started up this thread as I thought to collate more comments from individual points and if this, by anyway, has upset you then you jolly well stop putting down your comments here.

Relax lah, aiyoh my sayang

 

[yanyewkay]

Posted my WTB thread for so long yeah, but doesn't mean I have offer coming along. All I've got were advises from some Csers whom I've knew here to go for S3Pro instead for better results of colour capability since I am fond of portrait shots but apparently doen't seems to be a good companion for sports. Started up this thread as I thought to collate more comments from individual points and if this, by anyway, has upset you then you jolly well stop putting down your comments here.

i think don't think he meant much. After all, this is nikon sub forum and not many here see things from a macro perspective.

Whether to get a S3 or D2, just ask yourself which do you shoot more? Portraits or sports? Otherwise, you can always get a 2nd hand body.. try it out.. and sell it later..
the depreciation I would take it as 'rental'.

 

[Kho King]

The top part of the S3 is using Nikon F80 top, same as S2. F5? no way...Nikon not giving the design to other OEM anymore...

knock knock the top part, plastic or metal? F5 is metal...S3 is plastic...

F80 and F5 is lookalike? must be kidding...never did I feel that are even close. F100 and F5 yes.

 

[Reflection]

Posted my WTB thread for so long yeah, but doesn't mean I have offer coming along. All I've got were advises from some Csers whom I've knew here to go for S3Pro instead for better results of colour capability since I am fond of portrait shots but apparently doen't seems to be a good companion for sports. Started up this thread as I thought to collate more comments from individual points and if this, by anyway, has upset you then you jolly well stop putting down your comments here.

Whatever you get at the end of the day doesn't really matter. You're never going to get the perfect camera, because nothing comes in a perfect package. D2x? Think not. Affordability is an issue for most folks.

4mp or 6mp or 12mp interpolated doesn't make a difference for your application really. For those who are doing photography for a living, 4mp and 6mp will make a difference. How many times have we seen couples (especially those looking for wedding photographers in CS) requiring 6mp cameras? I agree that the D2H is fully capable of taking wedding shots, but the megapixel game seems to have taken precendence, even in the wedding market. Commercial jobs also sometimes require far more captured detail than what a 35mm system can provide, hence the use of medium and large format cameras, and the influx of medium format digital backs for convenience and "photoshopability".

Back to reality though, you don't need either camera. Which camera do you REALLY want?

 

[yanyewkay]

Back to reality though, you don't need either camera. Which camera do you REALLY want?

:thumbsup:

 

[arttl]

4mp or 6mp or 12mp interpolated doesn't make a difference for your application really. For those who are doing photography for a living, 4mp and 6mp will make a difference. How many times have we seen couples (especially those looking for wedding photographers in CS) requiring 6mp cameras? I agree that the D2H is fully capable of taking wedding shots, but the megapixel game seems to have taken precendence, even in the wedding market. Commercial jobs also sometimes require far more captured detail than what a 35mm system can provide, hence the use of medium and large format cameras, and the influx of medium format digital backs for convenience and "photoshopability".

Hi Reflection,

I guessed alot of the times the so-called 'wedding couples' in CS aren't really looking for one. Might just be testing the market out. Anyway, this isn't the real issue here. But since you pointed it out, as far as I'm concerned, none of my clients (general public who has no idea at all in photography) have ever asked me how many MP cam i'm using to shoot their big day. Rather, they are always surprised to see the outcome of what a 4.1MP cam can deliever at the end of the day. Pleasent one, of course. (Btw, I'm using a D2H)

Commercial photography is a totally different ball game where high MP (i would say) is a must. But i guessed Neuva is not looking in this direction. So no point highlighting it.

Neuva,
No matter which cam you choose at the end of the day, don't forget that the piece of glass infront of your cam still plays a major role in your pic quality!!

Good luck!