's Shoot at Boat Quay (Overexposed Series)

[jdredd]

student... if u want to get togehter with DP... seeing as u have such a hard on for him.. il repeat my offer to arrange an introduction.

 

[CreaXion]

To have a quick clarification on 3

DP and I are in a different league altogether. Cannot be in the same class or types. We are basically of different styles. How I know is through Face to Face meetings? Take up Jredd's offer lah!

 

[student]

Clarification 1:
Since when did I mention what style a person shd take. If it is with reference to LeeJay's comments, unless your comprehension ability is bad, i said that it is subjective.

My quote,
"The pros are trying to guide u to a commercial style. Your shots are more lifestyle shots which has turned commercial like NBYN. This can be very subjective at times."

Did I force? No! I only ask him to give credit to those who tries to guide him even though their guidance may not be what they want.
My quote,

"Agree on the guidance part. But cannot blame the helpful pp there lah. Training him to earn money mah"

And what is wrong with commercial style if the artist likes it? My quote

"Since when I said that everyone is here to learn photography to earn $$$? Even if the pros is out to guide pp to commercial style, what is wrong with that? It means that the images are nice and that is why it has commercial value. Of course, it must be nice to u at the same time lah.
If u look thru the recent postings, u will noticed that many wannabes have got into freelance jobs. What is wrong with getting assignments to support own hobbies?"

My conclusion is have I in any of these post forced pp to my opinion on styles. NONE OF THESE STATEMENTS SAYS U MUST HAVE COMMERCIAL STYLE! Art as what I believe is subjective and I will never impose what type of the style the person shd take.

However, the only thing that I insisted was technicalities. I said that those are seldom subjective. Not absolute by the use of the word seldom!

My quote,
"However, for technicalities wise, it is not subjective most of the time though."

Why seldom? If an image is intended to be blur, it has to be blur. If an image is intended to be clear, it must be clear. These are technicalities. What is wrong with telling pp what they cannot see due to their lack of exposure. When I first started off, I dun know that my photos has a strong brown cast until I met pp who told me and showed me samples what is a neutral image. From there, I sharpen my sense of colours. What is wrong with that?

Clarification 2:
As to the "Is it Okay?" thread, I dun know what happened to my images. Just went blank and since I already received certain constructive feedback, I removed it cause it does not make sense to put it there anymore without the images.

Clarification 3: To be continued once I send something

The way you replied is a total mess! I wll not read through your mess!

 

[student]

#1 For your information, I had photographed with DP twice.

The last time I even held his oversized reflector for him!!

#2 C, you are not in different league with him. As far as I am concern, from the pictures you showed ("Is this Okay?" - assuming it is from you), both your images are equally sterile.

 

[Ballack]

How the hell did it, from a thread to comment and critique YLSX's photos, turn into a tit-for-tat comparison war with one another? You guys really love each other man!

 

[Ukay]

How the hell did it, from a thread to comment and critique YLSX's photos, turn into a tit-for-tat comparison war with one another? You guys really love each other man!

I agree with you, this is super bo liao.... :bsmilie: lets all be nice to each other... :bsmilie:

 

[nightwolf75]

CS used to be such a nice place... until everyone starts to think its their god-given right to be a critic.... sigh...

there's constructive suggestions... and then there are 'my dick is bigger than urs' criticism. lighten up people. why can't people just post pics for posting's sake? if u dun like the pic, then go to another post lor.

food for thot.

 

[Canonised]

student... if u want to get togehter with DP... seeing as u have such a hard on for him.. il repeat my offer to arrange an introduction.

wahhhh .... this is so hardcore .....:bsmilie:
this Mother of all meets will make the PM & ex-PM of malaysia's rendezvous like a picnic in a lovers' park ...:sweatsm:

 

[CreaXion]

The way you replied is a total mess! I wll not read through your mess!

Can anyone care to verify that the statements I made is a total mess or have I supported it with facts from my very own quotes?

 

[Bobman]

Y, my apologies for the OT. But this originated from some posts talking about respecting models, and implying that if the pictures are "not nice" then the photographers are not being "respectful". I think this nonsense needs to be corrected.

Let me repeat again. Posting of "not nice " photographs do not mean disrepectful to models. But posting photographs which ridicule or humiliate models are disrepectful.

Bob, you do not need to reply to this.

I know you will try to protect your models. Good for you. This should be the first concern for all organisers for such shoots.

Yes indeed! I protect my models more than photographers who pay me....

What you had written here is even worse than "disrespectful". It is plain exploitation, and should be denounced in the strongest terms. If one wishes to make such photographs, (and I am not so prudish that people cannot make such photographs) then please get the appropriate models.

Yes! Consider me to be the worst of all mankind. But this is the true facts and I have seen it and I had in fact told some of the organisers to tell their model to adjust their attire. Maybe after this, Organisers and Models are more aware of the attire.... Yes! I am bad to bring this out so the future shoot would not be so much "Run Light". More photographers will hate me. Damn, I let the cat out of the bad. Damn you, Bobman!!!!

"Respect" means treating models as human beings. As people with dignity and feelings. Paying a model for fashion shoots does not mean that one can ask the models to do things which are not appropriate. Respect means making sure the models do not get dehydrated during shoots in the sun, and ensuring proper rests in between,

However "respect" does not mean that the photographers have to make pretty pictures. I am talking about paid shoots. I am not talking about a client who pays me to shoot. "Art" is making a biography about the subject at hand. And if that biography is not something pretty, it is not being disrespectul. The fundamental basis of a model's duty is to lend her face, etc to the photographer for him to make his story.

Yes, yes, yes........

Hey, I thought I said the previous was my last post in this thread??? Maybe too much beer with the model just now....... :bsmilie:

 

[CreaXion]

#1 For your information, I had photographed with DP twice.

The last time I even held his oversized reflector for him!!

#2 C, you are not in different league with him. As far as I am concern, from the pictures you showed ("Is this Okay?" - assuming it is from you), both your images are equally sterile.

I thought u dun judge images:bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

 

[CreaXion]

Oh by the way, just to make u happy with a "soulful" pic.

This is one image that DP won't take probably. But it is one of my fav pic.

 

[CreaXion]

How the hell did it, from a thread to comment and critique YLSX's photos, turn into a tit-for-tat comparison war with one another? You guys really love each other man!

Keep our brain cells alive loh. Can dig up each other's fallacies including my own. See it as a self improvement process so that I won't be so stick in the mud. Or else old already will be like my daddy and mummy who always say that they eat salt more than I eat rice.

 

[eow]

Oh by the way, just to make u happy with a "soulful" pic.

This is one image that DP won't take probably. But it is one of my fav pic.

i won't comment on the pic exposure and wb
but u dun have post this pic just to spite other.....

 

[madmacs]

Keep our brain cells alive loh. Can dig up each other's fallacies including my own. See it as a self improvement process so that I won't be so stick in the mud. Or else old already will be like my daddy and mummy who always say that they eat salt more than I eat rice.

this debate should be done in a kopitam thread

 

[CreaXion]

i won't comment on the pic exposure and wb
but u dun have post this pic just to spite other.....

Am I being spiteful or am I proving some pp's extreme opinion and statement wrong? Maybe my method of presentation is wrong in terms of sarcasm. Thanks for the note.

Moderators, can u move this current discussion to Kopitiam. I very bad to TS. Thousand apologies to the TS for OT so much. :embrass:

 

[CreaXion]

this debate should be done in a kopitam thread

Agree, Just saw your comment.

 

[madmacs]

Am I being spiteful or am I proving some pp's extreme opinion and statement wrong? Maybe my method of presentation is wrong in terms of sarcasm. Thanks for the note.

Moderators, can u move this current discussion to Kopitiam. I very bad to TS. Thousand apologies to the TS for OT so much. :embrass:

this thread should stay here. those who wish to debate should move their discussion to kopitam.

 

[CreaXion]

this thread should stay here. those who wish to debate should move their discussion to kopitam.

If I am correct, I remember that the admin can shift part of the thread to Kopitiam.

 

[madmacs]

If I am correct, I remember that the admin can shift part of the thread to Kopitiam.

that is correct. but this is not your thread to shift leh.

edit...oh you said "part". sorry that one have to ask TS to request lor.