's Shoot at Boat Quay (Overexposed Series)

[yilishengxian]

YLSX, sorry to say....this series doesn't work for me.

Well, ok. It doesn't really need to work for everybody ... But, it does work for some people though

 

[Clockunder]

After reading through this thread, I wonder why some forumers here seemed to jump to the conclusion that threadstarter doesn't know the basics of exposure and that he doesn't know how to get a proper metering and exposure. Just because he posted an over-exposed series of photos? :dunno:

Threadstarter had actually posted many properly exposed pictures in Clubsnap in the past and I'm sure that he knew exactly what he was doing in this over-exposed series. Once a photographer decided on a certain aperture to achieve a certain DOF and a minimum shutter speed to freeze the model, then the next thing he adjust is of course the ISO to get the over-exposure he wants. Threadstarter definitely knew what he was doing by pushing up the ISO and it was no accident that the photos were over-exposed.

Whether the photos are nice is subjective. A person's meat may be another's poison.

Whether the photos have achieved the special effects which threadstarter wanted is a separate issue and entirely up to him.

 

[yilishengxian]

MOST IMPORTANTLY, just be yourself. Set your goals high and challenge your ability. Respect the fundamentals and your works. If you feel it is good. Then it is good. Explore you current equipments first, there maybe some areas you are still unfamiliar with. My impression, IR maybe easier for you to archive that effect. But is it really necessary?

Be FOCUS and be DETERMINE and master the skill. Dont get side track if you happen to see something special that other ppl have created.

I guess along the way, you will be able to discover your style. A good follower maybe a good leader, if you follow wit a purpose... After all, aint every1 of us a follower someway or another?

I'm a newbie, so i really hope my comments helps.

I do IR portraits too ... Taking a break now while saving up for my modded camera for the time being. But even then, the IR effect may remove those left over details which I want to keep ...

I've been taking interest of IR portraits and overexposed images for quite along time, so I've did not side track ...

Well, follower or not, isn't it better to follow your own mind in doing things? Maybe reference is a better way to represent.

I'm a newbie too, comments are usually useful, if they help .

 

[yilishengxian]

After reading through this thread, I wonder why some forumers here seemed to jump to the conclusion that threadstarter doesn't know the basics of exposure and that he doesn't know how to get a proper metering and exposure. Just because he posted an over-exposed series of photos? :dunno:

Threadstarter had actually posted many properly exposed pictures in Clubsnap in the past and I'm sure that he knew exactly what he was doing in this over-exposed series. Once a photographer decided on a certain aperture to achieve a certain DOF and a minimum shutter speed to freeze the model, then the next thing he adjust is of course the ISO to get the over-exposure he wants. Threadstarter definitely knew what he was doing by pushing up the ISO and it was no accident that the photos were over-exposed.

Whether the photos are nice is subjective. A person's meat may be another's poison.

Whether the photos have achieved the special effects which threadstarter wanted is a separate issue and entirely up to him.

Thanks for the clarification for the boosting up ISO comments . Maybe most people have been restricting themselves in the specific subforums (which they like) and have no interest in the others (not blaming of course, everyone have their rights in choosing their interest).

I'm sure because of my liking of effects portrait photography, I tend to post images out of the normal here. So when they see lots of these, they conclude.

Well, though these images have not reached what I really wanted to achieve, I'd like to gather feedbacks. To improve, and find out what is missing. Infact, I've printed some of these, they all had problems on the paper and doesn't show up as shown here ... They appeared darker, yup more contrasty but the skin looks patchy. Will try and scan those printed images here when I get back from my shooting spree today.

What I wanted to appear on the paper are smooth overexposed to some light contrast showing the slight colours, and details of those I decide to keep .

 

[redstone]

I wonder where's deadpoet?

 

[Drunkslam]

It's good you are thinking in that way. Just Go for it. I believe, action speak louder then words. Spend more time shooting more be it indoor or outdoor, better then spending time defending yourself here. i'm sure you will learn much more in that way. You may not need a model at this point of time cos it is the effect you are looking for, try on some non living objects first, and when you are more confident, move on to humans. In that way, i feel that it is more effective.

Living in a Post Modern world, Art is an open concept. To put it simple... "we" are all lost, and all of us expresses our free thoughts. Unlike the modernist era, where every1 is very united and clear on what they are pursuiting. And there is only 1 style. Well, i'm sure you are a creative person. Dont need to wait for you IR camera to be ready. Cos afterall, to me creativity is basically making the best out of what you have at the moment.

Cheers! and All the best. =)

Just my own personal opinion, hope it helps

 

[CreaXion]

After reading through this thread, I wonder why some forumers here seemed to jump to the conclusion that threadstarter doesn't know the basics of exposure and that he doesn't know how to get a proper metering and exposure. Just because he posted an over-exposed series of photos? :dunno:

Threadstarter had actually posted many properly exposed pictures in Clubsnap in the past and I'm sure that he knew exactly what he was doing in this over-exposed series. Once a photographer decided on a certain aperture to achieve a certain DOF and a minimum shutter speed to freeze the model, then the next thing he adjust is of course the ISO to get the over-exposure he wants. Threadstarter definitely knew what he was doing by pushing up the ISO and it was no accident that the photos were over-exposed.

Whether the photos are nice is subjective. A person's meat may be another's poison.

Whether the photos have achieved the special effects which threadstarter wanted is a separate issue and entirely up to him.

Actually, I agree with u that the TS does know abt exposure from his other postings. What the TS does not know is the limitations of digital camera and yet at the same time insisted to do in a certain method despite advice given. From his postings, u can also detect that not enough thinking process is in place and result in wastage of time.

For the sake of experimentation, I would rather set it to the lowest possible ISO and overexpose it. Reason being that a lower ISO will have more details preserved. However, chances are it may not work cause digital does not have details during overexposure and there is also not enough grey tones. Doc's recommendation of converting B and W may have better chances of achieving the effect u want.

 

[student]

Then, you should request to open another new category, "Effects and Creativity Portraiture" in Clubsnap but I think you will be the only one posting pics in that category because all of us are the ordinary ppls....not like you.:bsmilie:

I am sorry. You are completely wrong.

He will not be the only one.

I will be there too!

 

[CreaXion]

I am sorry. You are completely wrong.

He will not be the only one.

I will be there too!

LOL! Yeah, so I will see more frosted images liao

 

[CreaXion]

Really?

Sure, we have bolas (well I assume he has), bad eyesight, members of CS etc.


But seriously, many things in common?

He dares not post pictures. I post pictures.
He loves to slam others pictures. I never did, and will never do.
He tells people that holiday snaps are trash and should not be shown. But conveniently "forgot" he did exactly the same. I never said such things. I encourage holiday snaps.
He loves to use the word "sucks". I never did. Perhaps I should too. DP sucks!
He wants his pictures to pass the test of approval from models. I do not seek approval from models'.
He does not like messy hair. I like messy hair.
He likes models to have nice make-up. I tell models to remove make-up.

The above are minor differences. Want me to illustrate some more? It may get nasty! Maybe not.

So tell me, what do we have in common?

Oh! Both of u actually have a big difference. U seem to be suffering from "Compulsive obsession in rejecting DP syndrome". The mere mention of his name by any forumers would spark a series of attack on the forumer from u. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[student]

LOL! Yeah, so I will see more frosted images liao

Yes! Another one coming up soon. Once I have the time to post it!

Too much time spend on other things!

 

[student]

Oh! Both of u actually have a big difference. U seem to be suffering from "Compulsive obsession in rejecting DP syndrome". The mere mention of his name by any forumers would spark a series of attack on the forumer from u. Please correct me if I am wrong.

You are corrected!

Wrong!

I have no compulsion to reject DP. He has a "right" to exist like any types one encounters in life.

But I reserved the "right" to point out his nonsensical dogmatic "utterances" and "inconsistencies" (using VERY MILD words - I have been give an infraction by the admin!) that DP dished out.

(But given what is written in this thread, maybe this forum would be better off to have MORE people like DP. You deserve each other.)

An example here. To "respect" models is to make pictures the models like? Or is "respect" shown by how you treat them when you are photographing them? Ask Bobman.

 

[bufferin]

wow,lots of comments aired.

a tighter crop on the 2nd might have worked better.
did some processing on it,please let me know if not appropriate and i will remove accordingly.

 

[Bobman]

An example here. To "respect" models is to make pictures the models like? Or is "respect" shown by how you treat them when you are photographing them? Ask Bobman.

It works all ways, doc ...... before, during and after . This will be my last statement in this thread.....

It doesn't mean that because one pays the model, he can ask the model to do everything eg doing dangerous stunts or funny/pornographic poses.

I have had attended some shoots whereby photographers asked 'newbie' model to do open legs shoot or ask them to bend lower and lower or doing doggy styles facing the camera. There are occasions that the bikini top was loose and part of the breast came out and another occasion her bottom was too lose and her pubic hair came out, thanks to digital, trigger all the way. Art is indeed very subjective.

Well, if the model feels that its alright to do that or are paid to do these, fine and go ahead. But oftentimes, these models thought that they are paid therefore they must obey the photographers especially the newbie ones, scare to say no. Not for Pro or experience models..... Naive indeed is good too.

So again, you have taken such photographs which more or less classify as "Dragon, Tiger and Leopard" Magazine, are you going to show the world or you keep it for your eyes only??? Or tell the whole world that this model can do this and can do that. There are some who cannot keep their CB mouths shut and like to exhibit or announce their glory and triumph.

Doc, you know me for awhile and he know how I work. I don't let any photographer shoot the "Local Nude Model" if that photographer cannot kept his CB mouth shut.

In the end, "What are you photographing????"

Happy Shooting

 

[student]

It works all ways, doc ...... before, during and after . This will be my last statement in this thread.....

It doesn't mean that because one pays the model, he can ask the model to do everything eg doing dangerous stunts or funny/pornographic poses.

I have had attended some shoots whereby photographers asked 'newbie' model to do open legs shoot or ask them to bend lower and lower or doing doggy styles facing the camera. There are occasions that the bikini top was loose and part of the breast came out and another occasion her bottom was too lose and her pubic hair came out, thanks to digital, trigger all the way. Art is indeed very subjective.

Well, if the model feels that its alright to do that or are paid to do these, fine and go ahead. But oftentimes, these models thought that they are paid therefore they must obey the photographers especially the newbie ones, scare to say no. Not for Pro or experience models..... Naive indeed is good too.

So again, you have taken such photographs which more or less classify as "Dragon, Tiger and Leopard" Magazine, are you going to show the world or you keep it for your eyes only??? Or tell the whole world that this model can do this and can do that. There are some who cannot keep their CB mouths shut and like to exhibit or announce their glory and triumph.

Doc, you know me for awhile and he know how I work. I don't let any photographer shoot the "Local Nude Model" if that photographer cannot kept his CB mouth shut.

In the end, "What are you photographing????"

Happy Shooting

Y, my apologies for the OT. But this originated from some posts talking about respecting models, and implying that if the pictures are "not nice" then the photographers are not being "respectful". I think this nonsense needs to be corrected.

Bob, you do not need to reply to this.

I know you will try to protect your models. Good for you. This should be the first concern for all organisers for such shoots.

What you had written here is even worse than "disrespectful". It is plain exploitation, and should be denounced in the strongest terms. If one wishes to make such photographs, (and I am not so prudish that people cannot make such photographs) then please get the appropriate models.

"Respect" means treating models as human beings. As people with dignity and feelings. Paying a model for fashion shoots does not mean that one can ask the models to do things which are not appropriate. Respect means making sure the models do not get dehydrated during shoots in the sun, and ensuring proper rests in between,

However "respect" does not mean that the photographers have to make pretty pictures. I am talking about paid shoots. I am not talking about a client who pays me to shoot. "Art" is making a biography about the subject at hand. And if that biography is not something pretty, it is not being disrespectul. The fundamental basis of a model's duty is to lend her face, etc to the photographer for him to make his story.

 

[madmacs]

Actually, I agree with u that the TS does know abt exposure from his other postings. What the TS does not know is the limitations of digital camera and yet at the same time insisted to do in a certain method despite advice given. From his postings, u can also detect that not enough thinking process is in place and result in wastage of time.

For the sake of experimentation, I would rather set it to the lowest possible ISO and overexpose it. Reason being that a lower ISO will have more details preserved. However, chances are it may not work cause digital does not have details during overexposure and there is also not enough grey tones. Doc's recommendation of converting B and W may have better chances of achieving the effect u want.

spoken LIKE an expert ;p :sweatsm:

REMOVED my last para cos i think i misread your comments. sounds more like suggestions on my 2nd read. sorry about that. ;p

 

[CreaXion]

You are corrected!

Wrong!

I have no compulsion to reject DP. He has a "right" to exist like any types one encounters in life.

But I reserved the "right" to point out his nonsensical dogmatic "utterances" and "inconsistencies" (using VERY MILD words - I have been give an infraction by the admin!) that DP dished out.

(But given what is written in this thread, maybe this forum would be better off to have MORE people like DP. You deserve each other.)

An example here. To "respect" models is to make pictures the models like? Or is "respect" shown by how you treat them when you are photographing them? Ask Bobman.

Isn't that compulsive disorder, Doc? Your current statement has proven that u have swayed to the xtreme side of things with the mere mention of DP. What is wrong with dogmatic if the opinion is correct? In fact dogmatism can be gd.

Dogmatic does not equate nonsensical. Nonsensical are things or actions that does not make sense. Since we are talking abt DP now, since when DP's remarks does not make sense though I agree that I cannot stand his harsh comments when he use flowery stuff like pee in the face. There is a big difference between difference of opinion and illogical opinions.

Yes. Maybe DP and I deserved each other as what u state because we believe in conventions. We believe that there are steps and rules to follow. We believe that a person must have the foundation first before they can move further to break rules. We do not believe in pp that u quoted which is always one in a million type and that person u advised may be mislead into thinking he is one of the million.

Anyway, just to prove that your facts are wrong, since when DP dun like messy hair. He said that if the hair is intended to be messy, it is alright but if the hair is not intended to be messy, it shd be as perfect as possible. It means that he can like or dun like messy hair. Your facts are wrong.

To prove that your convention is wrong, you say u like messy hair which is an absolute statement. I will take it as an absolute statement and it is also verified by your numerous posts which seems to always say that messy hair is ok. Try shooting a model for a magazine which advertise a hair shampoo. Try having the person after shampooing and having messy hair after drying and end of ad. See what effect u get. Will pp buy the shampoo. Another scenario. Messy hair is always tied with conventional thinking that the person is untidy or wild. Unless u want the intended effect to be so or else u avoid it totally. So, my qn is always are u giving advice properly in the proper context?

 

[CreaXion]

spoken LIKE an expert ;p :sweatsm:

REMOVED my last para cos i think i misread your comments. sounds more like suggestions on my 2nd read. sorry about that. ;p

Tk u for the compliment;p ! Unfortunately, nobody willing to pay high price for my service leh:cry: . I pian jia pian jia here lah.

Yeah, the suggestion was for him to test.

 

[student]

Isn't that compulsive disorder, Doc? Your current statement has proven that u have swayed to the xtreme side of things with the mere mention of DP. What is wrong with dogmatic if the opinion is correct? In fact dogmatism can be gd.

Dogmatism can be good? Of course every can be good! My Gd! (sorry!:angel: )

Please understand the essence of the word "opinion". If you can understand the meaning of the word "opinion", then you will not be so foolish to use the adjective "dogmatic" to the word "opinion".

Dogmatic does not equate nonsensical. Nonsensical are things or actions that does not make sense. Since we are talking abt DP now, since when DP's remarks does not make sense though I agree that I cannot stand his harsh comments when he use flowery stuff like pee in the face. There is a big difference between difference of opinion and illogical opinions.

To you, much of what DP said makes sense because you seem inclined to make images just like him. You had shown clearly in this thread what kind of a photographer you are, and you had also shown some images in "Is this OK? which you had deleted? (I assume you posted those pictures with ehe Malay ladies. But they are no more. If they were not yours, then I apologise and please ignore all my references to these images). Your "esthetics" inclinations are obvious. I have no interest in your kind of esthetics.

You want the nonsense? Here are some.

Messy hair? Where is the divine rule that you cannot have messy hair?

Overblown high values? Where is the divine rule that you cannot make images with no details?

Chopped off arms and legs? Where is the ten commandments for this?

Distortion? Who says one cannot have it?

Now these are nonsensical declarations. And when one adds dogmatism to them, they become dogmatic nonsense.

You want to know the "inconsistencies? For the time being, I shall refrain from mentioning them. They will not be nice.

Yes. Maybe DP and I deserved each other as what u state because we believe in conventions. We believe that there are steps and rules to follow. We believe that a person must have the foundation first before they can move further to break rules. We do not believe in pp that u quoted which is always one in a million type and that person u advised may be mislead into thinking he is one of the million.

You do not believe and therefore you make those images in the "Is it OK?" thread. You can believe anything you want.

Yes, Antonin is special. His vision is special. His experiences made him special. But his "technique" of making images is not special. One in a million technique? Please?

What is this technique anyway? Simple. One camera. One prime lens. 28mm. No strobes. No reflectors. God given light. And most important, move with the feeling.

And if the hair is messy? And if there is no catchlights?

And if the picture does not show David Bowie's face? And if the picture shows Liv Tyler in harsh noon day light? And Johnny Depp and Kyle MacLachian out of focus? And Bob Dylan right smacked in the middle of the frame? And William Dafoe with unsightly flare?

Well, these terrible images certainly got Antonin a lot of awards.

Move with the feelings. Have you given such advice? Well, the pictures in "Is this OK?" certainly did not have any feelings. Can you give advice to make pictures with feelings?

Anyway, just to prove that your facts are wrong, since when DP dun like messy hair. He said that if the hair is intended to be messy, it is alright but if the hair is not intended to be messy, it shd be as perfect as possible. It means that he can like or dun like messy hair. Your facts are wrong.

Your facts are wrong again. Please if you want to engage me, do your homework carefully. DP only modified his stance/statements on messy hairs after many spoke out against him on this issue. Please know your facts before you talk.

To prove that your convention is wrong, you say u like messy hair which is an absolute statement. I will take it as an absolute statement and it is also verified by your numerous posts which seems to always say that messy hair is ok.

To prove that my convention is wrong, you will have to improve your cognitive abilities a lot more.

I like messy hair. This is a personal esthetic preference. I do not tell people to make pictures with messy hairs. I do not make my personal esthetic preference to be a rule. My personal preference is mine. I do not ram it down other people's throats. "Absoluteness" is a total non-issue here. There is no absolute statement here. What I wrote is a declaration of personal preference.

Now what did I suggest (note the word suggest - no dogma)?

I suggested:

Messy hairs is OK if the photographer likes it. It is not OK is the photog do not like it.

Overexposure is OK is the photog likes it. it is not OK if the photog do not like it.

Am I dogmatic? Perhaps. My dogmatism is this. In making 'art" that there should not be dogmatic statements to force people into a predefined mould.

Do you know the difference?

Try shooting a model for a magazine which advertise for a hair shampoo.Try having the person after shampooing and having messy hair after drying and end of ad. See what effect u get. Will pp buy the shampoo. Another scenario. Messy hair is always tied with conventional thinking that the person is untidy or wild. Unless u want the intended effect to be so or else u avoid it totally. So, my qn is always are u giving advice properly in the proper context?

Despite what was discussed in this thread about you trying to get people to go the commercial direction, and despite people writing to explain making commercial photographs are not their interest, you stupidly persists in this direction!

You are a hand for hire. You are paid to do a certain job. Do it! Your paymaster will not be happy if you do not do it! Your wife and children will not be happy with you if you do not do it. They will be hungry. So do it!

You talked about context. You just showed what little you know about the word "context". For those like Y and others who photograph for fun, and trying to make 'art", what is the context? Selling shampoos? In making this series of photographs, Y is not a gun for hire. He was trying to make art. Now tell me, what is the context?

When you post your pictures "IS this OK?", you were a gun for hire. I had wanted to refrain from commenting on those pictures. I will do it now.

I will be VERY nice and polite. Just one word. Pathetic.

If taking your "proper" advice will lead me to make pictures like yours, please keep them. Your advice is worse than no advice.

 

[CreaXion]

Dogmatism can be good? Of course every can be good! My Gd! (sorry!:angel: )

Please understand the essence of the word "opinion". If you can understand the meaning of the word "opinion", then you will not be so foolish to use the adjective "dogmatic" to the word "opinion".

To you, much of what DP said makes sense because you seem inclined to make images just like him. You had shown clearly in this thread what kind of a photographer you are, and you had also shown some images in "Is this OK? which you had deleted? (I assume you posted those pictures with ehe Malay ladies. But they are no more. If they were not yours, then I apologise and please ignore all my references to these images). Your "esthetics" inclinations are obvious. I have no interest in your kind of esthetics.

You want the nonsense? Here are some.

Messy hair? Where is the divine rule that you cannot have messy hair?

Overblown high values? Where is the divine rule that you cannot make images with no details?

Chopped off arms and legs? Where is the ten commandments for this?

Distortion? Who says one cannot have it?

Now these are nonsensical declarations. And when one adds dogmatism to them, they become dogmatic nonsense.

You want to know the "inconsistencies? For the time being, I shall refrain from mentioning them. They will not be nice.

You do not believe and therefore you make those images in the "Is it OK?" thread. You can believe anything you want.

Yes, Antonin is special. His vision is special. His experiences made him special. But his "technique" of making images is not special. One in a million technique? Please?

What is this technique anyway? Simple. One camera. One prime lens. 28mm. No strobes. No reflectors. God given light. And most important, move with the feeling.

And if the hair is messy? And if there is no catchlights?

And if the picture does not show David Bowie's face? And if the picture shows Liv Tyler in harsh noon day light? And Johnny Depp and Kyle MacLachian out of focus? And Bob Dylan right smacked in the middle of the frame? And William Dafoe with unsightly flare?

Well, these terrible images certainly got Antonin a lot of awards.

Move with the feelings. Have you given such advice? Well, the pictures in "Is this OK?" certainly did not have any feelings. Can you give advice to make pictures with feelings?

Your facts are wrong again. Please if you want to engage me, do your homework carefully. DP only modified his stance/statements on messy hairs after many spoke out against him on this issue. Please know your facts before you talk.

To prove that my convention is wrong, you will have to improve your cognitive abilities a lot more.

I like messy hair. This is a personal esthetic preference. I do not tell people to make pictures with messy hairs. I do not make my personal esthetic preference to be a rule. My personal preference is mine. I do not ram it down other people's throats. "Absoluteness" is a total non-issue here. There is no absolute statement here. What I wrote is a declaration of personal preference.

Now what did I suggest (note the word suggest - no dogma)?

I suggested:

Messy hairs is OK if the photographer likes it. It is not OK is the photog do not like it.

Overexposure is OK is the photog likes it. it is not OK if the photog do not like it.

Am I dogmatic? Perhaps. My dogmatism is this. In making 'art" that there should not be dogmatic statements to force people into a predefined mould.

Do you know the difference?

Despite what was discussed in this thread about you trying to get people to go the commercial direction, and despite people writing to explain making commercial photographs are not their interest, you stupidly persists in this direction!

You are a hand for hire. You are paid to do a certain job. Do it! Your paymaster will not be happy if you do not do it! Your wife and children will not be happy with you if you do not do it. They will be hungry. So do it!

You talked about context. You just showed what little you know about the word "context". For those like Y and others who photograph for fun, and trying to make 'art", what is the context? Selling shampoos? In making this series of photographs, Y is not a gun for hire. He was trying to make art. Now tell me, what is the context?

When you post your pictures "IS this OK?", you were a gun for hire. I had wanted to refrain from commenting on those pictures. I will do it now.

I will be VERY nice and polite. Just one word. Pathetic.

If taking your "proper" advice will lead me to make pictures like yours, please keep them. Your advice is worse than no advice.

Clarification 1:
Since when did I mention what style a person shd take. If it is with reference to LeeJay's comments, unless your comprehension ability is bad, i said that it is subjective.

My quote,
"The pros are trying to guide u to a commercial style. Your shots are more lifestyle shots which has turned commercial like NBYN. This can be very subjective at times."

Did I force? No! I only ask him to give credit to those who tries to guide him even though their guidance may not be what they want.
My quote,

"Agree on the guidance part. But cannot blame the helpful pp there lah. Training him to earn money mah"

And what is wrong with commercial style if the artist likes it? My quote

"Since when I said that everyone is here to learn photography to earn $$$? Even if the pros is out to guide pp to commercial style, what is wrong with that? It means that the images are nice and that is why it has commercial value. Of course, it must be nice to u at the same time lah.
If u look thru the recent postings, u will noticed that many wannabes have got into freelance jobs. What is wrong with getting assignments to support own hobbies?"

My conclusion is have I in any of these post forced pp to my opinion on styles. NONE OF THESE STATEMENTS SAYS U MUST HAVE COMMERCIAL STYLE! Art as what I believe is subjective and I will never impose what type of the style the person shd take.

However, the only thing that I insisted was technicalities. I said that those are seldom subjective. Not absolute by the use of the word seldom!

My quote,
"However, for technicalities wise, it is not subjective most of the time though."

Why seldom? If an image is intended to be blur, it has to be blur. If an image is intended to be clear, it must be clear. These are technicalities. What is wrong with telling pp what they cannot see due to their lack of exposure. When I first started off, I dun know that my photos has a strong brown cast until I met pp who told me and showed me samples what is a neutral image. From there, I sharpen my sense of colours. What is wrong with that?

Clarification 2:
As to the "Is it Okay?" thread, I dun know what happened to my images. Just went blank and since I already received certain constructive feedback, I removed it cause it does not make sense to put it there anymore without the images.

Clarification 3: To be continued once I send something