's Shoot at Boat Quay (Overexposed Series)

[yilishengxian]

Well said, my friend. That's the point I want to bring across. I think all these arguments in your thread show one thing: Singapore still lags behind in terms of mentality. That's why it fails in terms of creativity and invention totally. Whenever a 'very different' picture comes up, they hit you down. They want you to follow the standard or what they like. They totally forget that we come from different backgrounds and have different perspectives. I think Europeans have more encouraging words to say and are more supportive. Singaporeans just expect a newbird to become a pro in a week.

Bro YLSX, if you want to do anything, just do it. Let those perfectionist be perfectionist and the purist be purist. Edison tried 10000 times before getting the perfect lightbulb. So, you have plenty of time.

Take for example, the photos of Jac by William Chua which many people displayed their liking. I respect his professionalism, but his pictures are too 'nice'. Did it bring out Jac's fun-loving and cutie side? To me, there is no 'life'. By 'life', I mean her real 'self'. To me, photos must capture a person just as the way we feel about her in real-life.

Anyway, I am a newbird. Everybody here are more senior than me. Any disrespect is regretted.

Well, I've been doing things which I want anytime, anywhere . I already know what will happen when I posted those images. Already happened lots of time from the time I began my IR experiments . Lots of comments will be made, but I know how to select or choose those which I require to improve my images.

Besides, I'm a newbie too !!!

 

[student]

The pros are trying to guide u to a commercial style.

That is the point, isn't it.

"Guiding" one to a commercial style.

But what if the photog have no interest in commercial style?

Guidance should be target to the objective, should it not?

Your shots are more lifestyle shots which has turned commercial like NBYN. This can be very subjective at times.

Whose images are you talking about?

However, for technicalities wise, it is not subjective most of the time though.

Again you are talking about a style of images that has to satisfy the common people who pays you. Take a look at Antonin Kratochvil and see how he flung these technicalities.

I dun think the rest are putting the TS down but trying to guide the TS certain things are not really possible but effect can be achieved in another manner.

Well, some were genuinely helpful and encouraging. Others were not.

 

[yilishengxian]

If the mind says, over-expose, what says you?

If there's anything I want to follow, I'd choose to follow my mind . Do what you really want to, is always better than forcing yourself to do what people want :sticktong.

 

[yilishengxian]

I do not define trashy photos.

I only have photos which I like and which I do not like.

I do not put value judgements on such things.

Yup this statement is the best. For images I create for myself, I'll pick what I like. For images which I create for others, I'll make the image to their liking. There's a great difference between them though .

 

[CreaXion]

If there's anything I want to follow, I'd choose to follow my mind . Do what you really want to, is always better than forcing yourself to do what people want :sticktong.

Pls clarify your statement. Find it very sweeping. Does it mean that even if u know u are wilfully wrong, u still make the same mistake over and over again or are u saying that u will adjust accordingly to the feedback given.

 

[yilishengxian]

Wah Lau Eh. U say u won't follow Confucius. Are u morally correct?

Why should following him makes a person morally correct (I don't know who's he and what he's done anyway, maybe because I rarely read about these things). So does that mean that those others who do not follow him are all immoral?

 

[yilishengxian]

The pros are trying to guide u to a commercial style. Your shots are more lifestyle shots which has turned commercial like NBYN. This can be very subjective at times.

However, for technicalities wise, it is not subjective most of the time though.

I dun think the rest are putting the TS down but trying to guide the TS certain things are not really possible but effect can be achieved in another manner.

Achieving the effect in another manner, eg using photoshop, defeats the fun of doing it directly out of camera :sticktong

 

[CreaXion]

That is the point, isn't it.

"Guiding" one to a commercial style.

But what if the photog have no interest in commercial style?

Guidance should be target to the objective, should it not?

Whose images are you talking about?

Again you are talking about a style of images that has to satisfy the common people who pays you. Take a look at Antonin Kratochvil and see how he flung these technicalities.

Well, some were genuinely helpful and encouraging. Others were not.

Agree on the guidance part. But cannot blame the helpful pp there lah. Training him to earn money mah

I am talking abt Lee Jay's Pics

The person Antonin happens to be one in a few million. And I strongly believe that he mastered the techniques before throwing the techniques away because he wants an intended effect. And I dun think Lee Jay has any intention of getting poorly focussed photos. If the intention is to get poor technical photos, be it, that is the person's choice. But if the photo is meant to be technical to a certain extent, perfect it.

 

[CreaXion]

Why should following him makes a person morally correct (I don't know who's he and what he's done anyway, maybe because I rarely read about these things). So does that mean that those others who do not follow him are all immoral?

This is the ignorant part of you and to be harsh, this is what I meant by your thinking not in place. You have a very faulty thinking mental model. Before u ever think abt saying this statement, pls check who Confucius is. If there is total rejection of Confucius, u better go to prison and stay. I think that place is suitable for you.

 

[hobbit6003]

Just a food for thought...

If we all try not to conform for non conformity sake, isn't this a conformity in itself?

If we try to be arty for just for the sake of appearing 'arty' with little regards for technicality and basics, then won't every image be considered an art form by itself, even if they're OOF, overexposed or otherwise?

So, if one only thinks that it doesn't matter whether other people like their images or not, as long as him/herself likes it, then why put it up in a public forum for critique, only to reject certain criticism and insist tat he likes wat he/she did and that's enough?

No offence to anyone, just a food for thought...

Kenny

 

[yilishengxian]

Pls clarify your statement. Find it very sweeping. Does it mean that even if u know u are wilfully wrong, u still make the same mistake over and over again or are u saying that u will adjust accordingly to the feedback given.

I posted these here to get feedbacks and negative comments. I'll just adjust accordingly to selected feedbacks coz not all the feedbacks are in the direction, but there are some which are actually useful

 

[CreaXion]

Achieving the effect in another manner, eg using photoshop, defeats the fun of doing it directly out of camera :sticktong

The methods proposed to u so far has been either using PP, IR or film. If u think your current methods work, pls show us the intended effect without processing and prove us wrong.


Did I ever, ever say that it was not fun to process directly out of camera. Please get your facts right. I personally enjoyed getting technically correct photos out of my camera. Please see this link. Other than one screening, the rest are untouched.

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=231951

The images here may not be great to many but as far as I am concerned, most pp that I know need to pp to get the colours out.

 

[yilishengxian]

Agree on the guidance part. But cannot blame the helpful pp there lah. Training him to earn money mah

I am talking abt Lee Jay's Pics

The person Antonin happens to be one in a few million. And I strongly believe that he mastered the techniques before throwing the techniques away because he wants an intended effect. And I dun think Lee Jay has any intention of getting poorly focussed photos. If the intention is to get poor technical photos, be it, that is the person's choice. But if the photo is meant to be technical to a certain extent, perfect it.

So, you think everyone is here to learn photography to earn $$$? Most of us are hobbylists, we shoot for fun. And actually use $$$ on photography, (eg model shoots and so on).

 

[yilishengxian]

This is the ignorant part of you and to be harsh, this is what I meant by your thinking not in place. You have a very faulty thinking mental model. Before u ever think abt saying this statement, pls check who Confucius is. If there is total rejection of Confucius, u better go to prison and stay. I think that place is suitable for you.

Infact, its not my intention to know who's he and his works. Well, I don't think I'll be locked up even if I refuse to think like him. After all, we are different people ...

 

[yilishengxian]

Just a food for thought...

If we all try not to conform for non conformity sake, isn't this a conformity in itself?

If we try to be arty for just for the sake of appearing 'arty' with little regards for technicality and basics, then won't every image be considered an art form by itself, even if they're OOF, overexposed or otherwise?

So, if one only thinks that it doesn't matter whether other people like their images or not, as long as him/herself likes it, then why put it up in a public forum for critique, only to reject certain criticism and insist tat he likes wat he/she did and that's enough?

No offence to anyone, just a food for thought...

Kenny

Well, if you noticed, whatever I've said (in regards to the pictures) are what I want. I did not reject the criticisms and insist that they are good enough. I've only reject those demoralising comments and those OT posts

 

[yilishengxian]

Just a food for thought...

If we all try not to conform for non conformity sake, isn't this a conformity in itself?

If we try to be arty for just for the sake of appearing 'arty' with little regards for technicality and basics, then won't every image be considered an art form by itself, even if they're OOF, overexposed or otherwise?

So, if one only thinks that it doesn't matter whether other people like their images or not, as long as him/herself likes it, then why put it up in a public forum for critique, only to reject certain criticism and insist tat he likes wat he/she did and that's enough?

No offence to anyone, just a food for thought...

Kenny

Well, if you noticed, whatever I've said (in regards to the pictures) are what I want. I did not reject the criticisms and insist that they are good enough. I've only reject those demoralising comments and those OT posts

In my opinion, those technically wrong images can be art too. Its just how you want to look at them ...

 

[CreaXion]

Infact, its not my intention to know who's he and his works. Well, I don't think I'll be locked up even if I refuse to think like him. After all, we are different people ...

Wah Lau Eh! You are saying that you dun have the values being advocated by Confucius hah.

They are
Rén, "benevolence, charity, humanity, love," kindness. The fundamental virtue of Confucianism. Confucius defines it as "Aì rén," "love others."

Yì, "right conduct, morality, duty to one's neighbor," righteousness.

Lì, "profit, gain, advantage": NOT a proper motive for actions affecting others. The idea that profit is the source of temptation to do wrong is the Confucian ground of the later official disparagment of commerce and industry

Li3, "propriety, good manners, politeness, ceremony, worship." Xiào, "to honor one's parents," filial piety.

Yì may be broken down [Analects IV:15] into: zhong1, doing one's best, conscientiousness, "loyalty" [2]; and shù, "reciprocity," altruism, consideration for others, "what you don't want yourself, don't do to others" [Analects XV:24 or 23].

The Master said, "The gentleman (chün tzu or ) understands yì. The small man understands lì." [Analects IV:16]

Courtesy from this website : http://www.friesian.com/confuci.htm

Shouldn't u be in jail for the benefit of the community.

 

[yilishengxian]

The methods proposed to u so far has been either using PP, IR or film. If u think your current methods work, pls show us the intended effect without processing and prove us wrong.


Did I ever, ever say that it was not fun to process directly out of camera. Please get your facts right. I personally enjoyed getting technically correct photos out of my camera. Please see this link. Other than one screening, the rest are untouched.

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=231951

The images here may not be great to many but as far as I am concerned, most pp that I know need to pp to get the colours out.

Well, I've been doing IR and trying to shoot film too. Infact, I'm still learning how to use the film camera properly, so its not quite ready to attempt the effect using it.

Well, maybe its just me who want to get the fun of getting the effect without PP !!!

 

[yilishengxian]

Wah Lau Eh! You are saying that you dun have the values being advocated by Confucius hah.

They are
Rén, "benevolence, charity, humanity, love," kindness. The fundamental virtue of Confucianism. Confucius defines it as "Aì rén," "love others."

Yì, "right conduct, morality, duty to one's neighbor," righteousness.

Lì, "profit, gain, advantage": NOT a proper motive for actions affecting others. The idea that profit is the source of temptation to do wrong is the Confucian ground of the later official disparagment of commerce and industry

Li3, "propriety, good manners, politeness, ceremony, worship." Xiào, "to honor one's parents," filial piety.

Yì may be broken down [Analects IV:15] into: zhong1, doing one's best, conscientiousness, "loyalty" [2]; and shù, "reciprocity," altruism, consideration for others, "what you don't want yourself, don't do to others" [Analects XV:24 or 23].

The Master said, "The gentleman (chün tzu or ) understands yì. The small man understands lì." [Analects IV:16]

Courtesy from this website : http://www.friesian.com/confuci.htm

Shouldn't u be in jail for the benefit of the community.

Well go ahead and report me. Send me to jail !!! Following him entirely is disadvantageous ... Some is ok, but not all ... Just look at the people around you .

 

[hobbit6003]

Well, if you noticed, whatever I've said (in regards to the pictures) are what I want. I did not reject the criticisms and insist that they are good enough. I've only reject those demoralising comments and those OT posts

Er, do you reject demoralising comments even if they're constructive?

So, what's the intention behind showing the pics which you think it is not good enough here? What is the end result you want to achieve? This is something you should search deeper and ask yourself.

Actually, I admire your courage in experimenting and posting your unfinished articles here in the forum.

What I'm trying to point out to you, is that you should grasp the basic knowledge first and then experiment and develop your own style.

For example, you want to get a certain shade of purple. You have that colour in your mind. So, you must know the basic knowledge that blue and red makes purple right? If you don't know this and you go "hmm...i dunno which 2 colour to mix, but never mind, try any 2 colours and see", and start experimenting with mixing different types of colour at random, and start all over again when they fail. Don't you think that you are wasting time and effort? Do you call this an experimentation at all? Doesn't this tantamount to groping in the dark?

Now, if you've basic knowledge that blue + red gives you purple, and that by adding white will probably give u different hues or intensity of that purple, wouldn't be much easier for you to get to your 'dream purple'? At least when u fail, u can then retrace your steps backwards and find out what went wrong and rectify from there right

Kenny