's Shoot at Boat Quay (Overexposed Series)

[madmacs]

Exactly, and that's why such analogy can't stand.

You cant just pluck a herb from somewhere, cure someone of diarrhoea, and call that an experimentation, can you?

You must have a basis to work from before you can experiment, that's my point.

But I guess you are right, that some of our comments, including mine, is a tad too harsh towards the TS. He, afterall, is just a hobbyist la.

Kenny

your earlier post to chim for me...confused :bsmilie:

anyway over the past few days, i have no idea why folks get so worked up over the pics presented by the TS. i say let him experiment all he wants, how he wants. so what if he doesnt know any basics or rules. sometimes the interesting discoveries are made that way. besides his experimenting doesnt hurt anyone right? that is why i sometimes like to pass my cam to my kids and let them shoot. most of time i have no idea why they took certain pics, but ever so often i'm pleasantly surprised by some of the photos.

 

[Tuscany]

You are right that the details on the face are completely gone.

But remember, images are not necessarily exact representations of people, especially when attempting "art" which I believe what Y is trying to do.

See this image which I posted sometime ago in CS. There is very little details in tha face here. This image was taken conventionally with proper exposure. But the final print showed very little facial features - a result of darkroom "post-processing". A major clue to the exposure is the dark areas. If I had seriously overexposed this image, the dark ares would be very light as in the images in this thread.

Y, apologies for putting up this image as illustration.

WoW!! Somehow this picture reminds me of Christy Turlington. She is my favourite supermodel. Did u photograph her? This is a nice picture, I love it!!!

 

[student]

WoW!! Somehow this picture reminds me of Christy Turlington. She is my favourite supermodel. Did u photograph her? This is a nice picture, I love it!!!

Thank you. I made this image.

 

[student]

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with posting lousy images. However, posting images without making sense is another matter altogether. As long as the poster do not reject knowledge and look thru the comments and learn, it is perfectly alright.

Stubborness is soemthing that every learner shd be aware of. Ignorance is even worse. Those who think that they know and in reality they do not know is the worse.

As to student, I agree with Bobman that boring images are okay. It is better to get boring and super technically correct photos than to have photos that does not make sense. Images like the ones posted.

Some pp like me rely on boring but technically correct photos to get customers. Depends on customers taste. Just to give an eg. My sister in law love my boring but super technical photos. However, my wife prefer my photojournalistic shots. So how. Goes back to pp's preferences. Anyway, I find that u are just nitpicking on DP. So pls try to be partial headed lah. We are afterall a community of learners.

I am raising a few points for your consideration

#1 What do you mean posting images without any sense? The issue here is that he wanted to see what happens when he overexposed his images. That is the sense. Whether it "works" or not (according to who anyway?) is another matter.

#2 Boring images are OK? To those who felt that these are OK, they are OK! I will not challlenge or question you producing boring images for your clients. Afterall, they are your customers and paymaster. They tell you what to do. But to hobbyists who try to make "art" - and have nobody to be accountable to, boring images are destined for the trash cans.

I will rather have technically faulty images with soul than technically correct but boring photos. - anytime!

 

[LindaChew]

Ya your Turlington picture can go to the trash can as well. Dead boring.

 

[CreaXion]

I am raising a few points for your consideration

#1 What do you mean posting images without any sense? The issue here is that he wanted to see what happens when he overexposed his images. That is the sense. Whether it "works" or not (according to who anyway?) is another matter.

#2 Boring images are OK? To those who felt that these are OK, they are OK! I will not challlenge or question you producing boring images for your clients. Afterall, they are your customers and paymaster. They tell you what to do. But to hobbyists who try to make "art" - and have nobody to be accountable to, boring images are destined for the trash cans.

I will rather have technically faulty images with soul than technically correct but boring photos. - anytime!

Since u said, boring photos are destined for the trash cans, so where do u think the TS's photos shd belong to?

 

[student]

Ya, you are right... who is DP??? Who am I??? Who are you??? What are you??? I can live without the word DP, I believe you can too....

Then what do you quote him for? He is an authority? By quoting him, you had lived with his name.

Me? There is nothing DP said that is of value to me. Zilch!

I think you get me wrong here, I did not tell Y not to make boring pictures. I am saying if one can accept lousy pictures, why can't one accept boring pictures??

Of course I can accept boring pictures - especially in the context of photographers making them under the instruction of clients paying them to make boring pictures. Who am I to decide how another person should make his photographs to earn a living?

By the way, I did not say I accept lousy pictures (according to my value judgement). For the purpose of learning, I would rather post lousy pictures than successes.

Why do we need to experiment? To get good results in the end. If it is not achieve, we go on and on but not half way through; give up and go to experiement new idea.....

That is your opinion.

There are those who says that the purpose of a journey is not the end, but the travel (something like that!)

What we saw was those who were lucky and succeeded. Have you seen those who fell????

I do not have to see. I am. I fell +++++++

But I get up again.

Oftentimes, "Advice is least heeded when most needed"......

Bad advice is worse than no advice.

I am trying very hard to do that ......

You do not have to try.

You have already succeeded.

Yes it is my opinion. I won't post anything that would disgrace my models; cos they are my goddess and I worship them (sounds familiar?) ..........

I pay the models. The models do not pay me. The models are merely templates for me to make images I want. Not them. You are talking exactly like DP! The models have no rights to decide how I should make the photographs. I do not have people paying me to make photos. I am not interested.

Here is one "ugly" photo.

BTW, I had shown this ugly photo to "some" photographers. I suppose you will not be interested to hear their comments.

I am starving

You need it. If you can tolerate the hunger, write to the ST forum pages, perhaps there will be charitable people around.

No, not wasted. Sometimes we have different views....

I will stop wasting my time then. I will not try to change you. Who am I anyway?

Let us change heads. Shall we call " Heads Off" ???

?????????

A good leader is a good follower..... lets begin by followin, we can lead later. Why the hurry??? Life is long .......

I won't follow confucius.

Arhh.....then let me give you Zhuang Zi

Flow with whatever is happening and let your mind be free. Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate!!!

If the mind says, over-expose, what says you?

 

[student]

Since u said, boring photos are destined for the trash cans, so where do u think the TS's photos shd belong to?

I did not think they were trash.

You people think they are.

I will never label experiments and forays to be trash. I was on those tracks before.

 

[CreaXion]

I did not think they were trash.

You people think they are.

Then what is your definition of trashy photos?

 

[student]

Then what is your definition of trashy photos?

I do not define trashy photos.

I only have photos which I like and which I do not like.

I do not put value judgements on such things.

 

[CreaXion]

I do not define trashy photos.

I only have photos which I like and which I do not like.

I do not put value judgements on such things.

U are getting me very confused. I believe this is from you

#2 Boring images are OK? To those who felt that these are OK, they are OK! I will not challlenge or question you producing boring images for your clients. Afterall, they are your customers and paymaster. They tell you what to do. But to hobbyists who try to make "art" - and have nobody to be accountable to, boring images are destined for the trash cans.

 

[leejay]

:thumbsup: student, I second all your arguments here.

 

[CreaXion]

I wont follow confucius.

Wah Lau Eh. U say u won't follow Confucius. Are u morally correct?

 

[leejay]

your earlier post to chim for me...confused :bsmilie:

anyway over the past few days, i have no idea why folks get so worked up over the pics presented by the TS. i say let him experiment all he wants, how he wants. so what if he doesnt know any basics or rules. sometimes the interesting discoveries are made that way. besides his experimenting doesnt hurt anyone right? that is why i sometimes like to pass my cam to my kids and let them shoot. most of time i have no idea why they took certain pics, but ever so often i'm pleasantly surprised by some of the photos.

Well said, my friend. That's the point I want to bring across. I think all these arguments in your thread show one thing: Singapore still lags behind in terms of mentality. That's why it fails in terms of creativity and invention totally. Whenever a 'very different' picture comes up, they hit you down. They want you to follow the standard or what they like. They totally forget that we come from different backgrounds and have different perspectives. I think Europeans have more encouraging words to say and are more supportive. Singaporeans just expect a newbird to become a pro in a week.

Bro YLSX, if you want to do anything, just do it. Let those perfectionist be perfectionist and the purist be purist. Edison tried 10000 times before getting the perfect lightbulb. So, you have plenty of time.

Take for example, the photos of Jac by William Chua which many people displayed their liking. I respect his professionalism, but his pictures are too 'nice'. Did it bring out Jac's fun-loving and cutie side? To me, there is no 'life'. By 'life', I mean her real 'self'. To me, photos must capture a person just as the way we feel about her in real-life.

Anyway, I am a newbird. Everybody here are more senior than me. Any disrespect is regretted.

 

[student]

U are getting me very confused. I believe this is from you

#2 Boring images are OK? To those who felt that these are OK, they are OK! I will not challlenge or question you producing boring images for your clients. Afterall, they are your customers and paymaster. They tell you what to do. But to hobbyists who try to make "art" - and have nobody to be accountable to, boring images are destined for the trash cans.

My apologies! I see the discrepancies in my comments and choice of words.

Let me make it clear.

I have opinions on images. There are those I like and those I do not. And perhaps some in-between.

These are esthetics considerations. These are not value judgements. Saying an image is good or bad is a value judgement. Because art is so subjective and values changes with time, place and culture, I resist giving such value judgements.

Hence I do not like to call certain works trashy.

However, there are some images which I have and which I have put into the trashbin. These are images that mean little to me, or little to me as far as "art" is concern. These images eventually ended up in the trash cans. I have no need to keep them. They are essential in my path to making more meaningful images. Having pointed out the direction, their existence to me is no more. I can say that these images are "not bad". But I will consign them to the trash bin, because they mean little.

I have made many boring images, and I will continue to make boring images. A lot of repetitive images. But I make them not as an end, but as a means to more meaningful images in my attempt to make art apart from my daily work routine.

 

[student]

Well said, my friend. That's the point I want to bring across. I think all these arguments in your thread show one thing: Singapore still lags behind in terms of mentality. That's why it fails in terms of creativity and invention totally. Whenever a 'very different' picture comes up, they hit you down. They want you to follow the standard or what they like. They totally forget that we come from different backgrounds and have different perspectives. I think Europeans have more encouraging words to say and are more supportive. Singaporeans just expect a newbird to become a pro in a week.

Bro YLSX, if you want to do anything, just do it. Let those perfectionist be perfectionist and the purist be purist. Edison tried 10000 times before getting the perfect lightbulb. So, you have plenty of time.

Take for example, the photos of Jac by William Chua which many people displayed their liking. I respect his professionalism, but his pictures are too 'nice'. Did it bring out Jac's fun-loving and cutie side? To me, there is no 'life'. By 'life', I mean her real 'self'. To me, photos must capture a person just as the way we feel about her in real-life.

Anyway, I am a newbird. Everybody here are more senior than me. Any disrespect is regretted.

Finally, leejay!

Finally!

I have been waiting, waiting. Waiting for you to show your real self which you camoflaged with those little frivolities! Everytime I see those little jumping "pom pom girls" I smiled. Finally the real leejay emerges! So far you had posted little more than trivial comments. This is the real you!

Glad to meet you!! Welcome!!

 

[CreaXion]

Well said, my friend. That's the point I want to bring across. I think all these arguments in your thread show one thing: Singapore still lags behind in terms of mentality. That's why it fails in terms of creativity and invention totally. Whenever a 'very different' picture comes up, they hit you down. They want you to follow the standard or what they like. They totally forget that we come from different backgrounds and have different perspectives. I think Europeans have more encouraging words to say and are more supportive. Singaporeans just expect a newbird to become a pro in a week.

Bro YLSX, if you want to do anything, just do it. Let those perfectionist be perfectionist and the purist be purist. Edison tried 10000 times before getting the perfect lightbulb. So, you have plenty of time.

Take for example, the photos of Jac by William Chua which many people displayed their liking. I respect his professionalism, but his pictures are too 'nice'. Did it bring out Jac's fun-loving and cutie side? To me, there is no 'life'. By 'life', I mean her real 'self'. To me, photos must capture a person just as the way we feel about her in real-life.

Anyway, I am a newbird. Everybody here are more senior than me. Any disrespect is regretted.

The pros are trying to guide u to a commercial style. Your shots are more lifestyle shots which has turned commercial like NBYN. This can be very subjective at times.

However, for technicalities wise, it is not subjective most of the time though.

I dun think the rest are putting the TS down but trying to guide the TS certain things are not really possible but effect can be achieved in another manner.

 

[yilishengxian]

Of course I can accept boring pictures - especially in the context of photographers making them under the instruction of clients paying them to make boring pictures. Who am I to decide how another person should make his photographs to earn a living?

By the way, I did not say I accept lousy pictures (according to my value judgement). For the purpose of learning, I would rather post lousy pictures than successes.

Posting lousy pictures gets you more comments than those successes (whether I have any is another matter) which just give you the :thumbsup:, GOOD !!!, Fantastic !!!, Nice Model !!! and so on comments ...

I do create those "boring" pictures too, as and when I require them. Like you said,

I pay the models. The models do not pay me. The models are merely templates for me to make images I want. Not them. You are talking exactly like DP! The models have no rights to decide how I should make the photographs. I do not have people paying me to make photos. I am not interested.

they have no control over me on how I want them to look like in my photos. Even if they're trash pictures, or made them look bad, they are still paid for the job for me to make them look bad.

 

[yilishengxian]

Here is one "ugly" photo.

BTW, I had shown this ugly photo to "some" photographers. I suppose you will not be interested to hear their comments.

This "ugly" photo gives a funky feeling when you look at it . Quite fun to have photos that gives feelings rather than normal photos ... And besides, I rarely print out those normal photos for collection, but printed quite a no of these funny "trash" images, and actually look at them more than the others .

 

[yilishengxian]

I won't follow confucius.

Although this is a famous guy, I don't actually know the story behind him ;p. Infact, I don't. I don't believe, we should follow anyone. Unless, you just want to copy .

I don't intend to lead, or follow, when making funky images. I'd like them to be as original, as possible. Posting them here to get comments and views are necessary for me to make more !!!