Review of Canon 30D
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new lens too?
http://www2.photim.com/info/img.php?N=1133
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Guess this should answer your question ;pAn drew said:Does anyone think it would be a good idea to upgrade to the 30D from the 20D? Or to the D200 from 20D?
Quote from Rob Galbriath - Don't take this as a recommendation of the D200 over the 30D. For one, we've only used a preproduction 30D, and then only briefly. More importantly, we've shot the D200 and 20D side-by-side for available light basketball over several weekends this winter, and the 20D is by far the better camera for this purpose. Not only were the ISO 800 through ISO 3200 frames massively cleaner and more usable, the percentage of in-focus frames was signficantly higher. In fact, we've ruled out using the D200 for this sort of assigment again. So, we don't think Nikon has in the D200 a camera that's a clear winner over the upcoming 30D by any means.
... for much of what we shoot, the 20D is a better choice than the D200, so it's likely the 30D will be as well. But for many shooters, those who can stick to lower ISO settings and don't shoot much action, the D200 may seem like the more appealing option.
I'm compelled to add to this thread for some strange reason
I don't think this is the D200 killer that people expected it to be, for the simple reason that it doesn't trump the D200 in resolution and it doesn't have the weather sealing that the D200 has and I suspect that people will be harping on these 2 issues for quite awhile.
It also lacks the flash capabilities of the Nikon system and that will count against it for some people.
What the 30D is, is a streamlined 20D at a much cheaper price and I think price is where Canon is fighting the war on this one. USD1699 (S$2888) vs USD1399 ($2378)?
USD300 is a lot of money (about S$510). The 30D probably isn't as good as the D200 but the question is whether the price difference is enough of a incentive to buy a 30D rather than a D200.
But here's something to think about. 1.5 years from now, the 30D will inch towards that very critical price point of SGD1999, if the current price drops are anything to go by, and so will any model that will succeed it. 1.5 years may seen like a long time for anything digital but I think that might be worth the wait.
My only gripe: WHAT THE HECK IS THAT STUPID DIRECT PRINT BUTTON DOING THERE?! HAS NO ONE TOLD THE ENGINEERS THAT IT IS NEAR USELESS! HASN'T CANON BEEN LISTENING TO THE 5D COMPLAINTS?!
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I don't think this is the D200 killer that people expected it to be, for the simple reason that it doesn't trump the D200 in resolution and it doesn't have the weather sealing that the D200 has and I suspect that people will be harping on these 2 issues for quite awhile.
It also lacks the flash capabilities of the Nikon system and that will count against it for some people.
What the 30D is, is a streamlined 20D at a much cheaper price and I think price is where Canon is fighting the war on this one. USD1699 (S$2888) vs USD1399 ($2378)?
USD300 is a lot of money (about S$510). The 30D probably isn't as good as the D200 but the question is whether the price difference is enough of a incentive to buy a 30D rather than a D200.
But here's something to think about. 1.5 years from now, the 30D will inch towards that very critical price point of SGD1999, if the current price drops are anything to go by, and so will any model that will succeed it. 1.5 years may seen like a long time for anything digital but I think that might be worth the wait.
My only gripe: WHAT THE HECK IS THAT STUPID DIRECT PRINT BUTTON DOING THERE?! HAS NO ONE TOLD THE ENGINEERS THAT IT IS NEAR USELESS! HASN'T CANON BEEN LISTENING TO THE 5D COMPLAINTS?!
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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:Xing said:
Confirming once again, C trumps N in this arena.
I wouldn't consider this 30D a D200 killa though. Its more like a 20D MkII in a sense. Great for ppl upgrading from 300D/350D/D60/10D. But for 20D owners...no. Not really tempting enuff to justify the extra cash to upgrade I guess.A bit disappointed really, was really hoping for a "3D" but instead its just an improved 20D with more bells and whistles that Canon should have really included in the first place.
newmemberz
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still the same 1.6X crop factor yea???
was expecting better cropping though.......
was expecting better cropping though.......
:bsmilie:An drew said:Thanks for info and advice. So it looks like the good news is that I should keep my upgrading funds in my pocket and wait for the one after 30D.
Andrew, you shd get a 2nd hand 20D instead
This new 30D shd signify the "end of the mega pixel race", just like the Fuji's F10/F11 in the digital compact arena. Doesnt mean that the higher the mega pixel will give better result ;p Camera manufacturers shd focus on giving consumers better cameras, eg. built-in IS, self cleaning sensor, iso 6400, higher buffer, etc...
Watcher said:
It's getting repetitive but.....
Not too sure what lenses he used with the 2 bodies but probably something comparable given the statement made (I don't think it's the lenses' "fault" that cause the less clean, less usable and less in-focus frames). Canon likely doesn't see the Nikon D200 as much of a threat (to 20D series) and hence the 30D "minimal response".
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No wonder no announcement leaks... with all those speculations, those who know the 30D specs also dare not say. Else kenna bomb by Canon fans... hahaha
IMHO, should be 20Dn. Given similar tweaks to 1Dm2 compared to 1Dm2n.
Personally, I wouldn't be 'praising' this 30D... if everyone sings high praises then Canon seems to 'relax' in their pushing the technological envelope... must keep them on their toes... apply the 'game theory'
IMHO, should be 20Dn. Given similar tweaks to 1Dm2 compared to 1Dm2n.
Personally, I wouldn't be 'praising' this 30D... if everyone sings high praises then Canon seems to 'relax' in their pushing the technological envelope... must keep them on their toes... apply the 'game theory'
radedward said:
what kind of flash capabilities the canon system lack of? Wireless ETTL has been around since 1998 while Nikon only introduced CLS 6 years later :dunno:
source:
http://www.kjsl.com/~dave/wireless.html
http://www.olegnovikov.com/technical/nikoncls/cls.shtml
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