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ok i think all should cool down. i'll give points to benissez for his public spirited effort to disseminate information to educate the general public, even if said information is really disinformation.
however, benissez , u would do well to do a bit more research and to accept feedback and criticism. u're obviously new to photography and trying to pass off like an expert here. Reminiscent, as another poster puts it, of Computer Times reviewers doing digital camera reviews (a topic which i shall not dwell on further).
Your "review" is nothing more than a collection of personal opinions and a series of broad sweeping statements. In fact, if u're really knowledgeable enough about the consumer digicam industry, u will know it is fool hardy to attempt something like this in so little words, with not much substance. Your "facts" sound nothing more than regurgitating wat's on the net. Even then u didn't do it well
but ur little blurb on the Pentax *ist and ur reasons why it is not a high end DSLR made me laugh. Nothing like newbies leading newbies........
ok i think all should cool down. i'll give points to benissez for his public spirited effort to disseminate information to educate the general public, even if said information is really disinformation.
however, benissez , u would do well to do a bit more research and to accept feedback and criticism. u're obviously new to photography and trying to pass off like an expert here. Reminiscent, as another poster puts it, of Computer Times reviewers doing digital camera reviews (a topic which i shall not dwell on further).
Your "review" is nothing more than a collection of personal opinions and a series of broad sweeping statements. In fact, if u're really knowledgeable enough about the consumer digicam industry, u will know it is fool hardy to attempt something like this in so little words, with not much substance. Your "facts" sound nothing more than regurgitating wat's on the net. Even then u didn't do it well
but ur little blurb on the Pentax *ist and ur reasons why it is not a high end DSLR made me laugh. Nothing like newbies leading newbies........
lavenderlilz
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benissez said:
What difference does it make whether the work is paid or unpaid? If you choose to post information here that is supposed to "help" or "guide" others, then u better get your facts straight instead of misleading newbies.
wilddeepocean
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ST1100 said:
I'm agree with you, why don't experts here state your opinions, experiences without flaming each others, and let the readers decided
BTW, I'm one of the newbies that would like to hear these kind of informations... :embrass:
wilddeepocean said:I'm agree with you, why don't experts here state your opinions, experiences without flaming each others, and let the readers decided
BTW, I'm one of the newbies that would like to hear these kind of informations... :embrass:
Tat's wat everyone was doin...We stated our opinion & suggestion, in return, we get bashing from the author...
Haw haw haw! I was rofl laughing... intention was good but delivery was bad. Too general to be really useful. How so?
Example:
Newbie looking for P&S digicam. What use is this? Judging from the list, he would avoid Casio altogether if he wants to print. Which is not true. the Exilim series can handle 4R prints and is the most portable. And would he pick Nikon? Thinking that he will have to upgrade often - when actually Nikon releases new models very slowly. How about Canon, bad resale value? Really... even for the A70s or G3s???
Ur... I am not disputing your claims which from your point of view is true. But I question the usefulness. Its too general and sweeping for all the brands.
Cheer up! We learn from our mistakes.
Example:
Newbie looking for P&S digicam. What use is this? Judging from the list, he would avoid Casio altogether if he wants to print. Which is not true. the Exilim series can handle 4R prints and is the most portable. And would he pick Nikon? Thinking that he will have to upgrade often - when actually Nikon releases new models very slowly. How about Canon, bad resale value? Really... even for the A70s or G3s???
Ur... I am not disputing your claims which from your point of view is true. But I question the usefulness. Its too general and sweeping for all the brands.
Cheer up! We learn from our mistakes.
Red Dawn said:Your "review" is nothing more than a collection of personal opinions and a series of broad sweeping statements. In fact, if u're really knowledgeable enough about the consumer digicam industry, u will know it is fool hardy to attempt something like this in so little words, with not much substance. Your "facts" sound nothing more than regurgitating wat's on the net. Even then u didn't do it well
but ur little blurb on the Pentax *ist and ur reasons why it is not a high end DSLR made me laugh. Nothing like newbies leading newbies........
I'm with Red Dawn on this.
It's quite funny really :bsmilie: BTW benissez/solafide, it's called the D60, not the 60D. Who says he doesn't know his stuff? 
:bsmilie: Zplus said:Haw haw haw! I was rofl laughing... intention was good but delivery was bad. Too general to be really useful. How so?
Example:
Newbie looking for P&S digicam. What use is this? Judging from the list, he would avoid Casio altogether if he wants to print. Which is not true. the Exilim series can handle 4R prints and is the most portable. And would he pick Nikon? Thinking that he will have to upgrade often - when actually Nikon releases new models very slowly. How about Canon, bad resale value? Really... even for the A70s or G3s???
Ur... I am not disputing your claims which from your point of view is true. But I question the usefulness. Its too general and sweeping for all the brands.
Cheer up! We learn from our mistakes.
A rough guide to buying a cam would usually be writing a check list of wat the requirements are, e.g. macro? long or wide zoom? Printing or for web and if printing, wat size? manual controls or pns? size? look? feel? build? Then with a rough idea of wat to look for, go to places like dpreview, steves or dcresources and go through their catalogue to short list those that fit the requirements and take with a pinch of salt their reviews. Then compare sample images taken of similar objects and lighting to determine the one that produces images most satisfying to the buyer's eye. This should be the most important part of all. Finally, juz as important, go to the shop and handle the final candidates one by one to find the best compromise in terms of image satisfaction, handling etc. U can have a super duper, 10MP 20x zoom camera and end up leaving it at home cos its too big to bring travelling or U dun like the colour it produces or there is too many switches to flip
. No 2 buyers are the same. Why would i buy a 300D if all i want is a pocket camera etc?xdivider said:A rough guide to buying a cam would usually be writing a check list of wat the requirements are, e.g. macro? long or wide zoom? Printing or for web and if printing, wat size? manual controls or pns? size? look? feel? build? Then with a rough idea of wat to look for, go to places like dpreview, steves or dcresources and go through their catalogue to short list those that fit the requirements and take with a pinch of salt their reviews. Then compare sample images taken of similar objects and lighting to determine the one that produces images most satisfying to the buyer's eye. This should be the most important part of all. Finally, juz as important, go to the shop and handle the final candidates one by one to find the best compromise in terms of image satisfaction, handling etc. U can have a super duper, 10MP 20x zoom camera and end up leaving it at home cos its too big to bring travelling or U dun like the colour it produces or there is too many switches to flip
Heh! Precisely the point. The current generalization does not serve any useful purpose. IMHO.
Your checklist approach would actually be more useful to a newbie as it leaves brand preferences and bias aside.
synapseman
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Hi,
Just noticed this thread late. Just with any advice you get over the internet (especially in forums), you've got to take it with a pinch of salt. Even "official" reviews may often be biased, even though they try to be as objective as possible (?).
Personally, I believe that all cameras within a certain price bracket are the same. The level of technology is at a certain stage and all the major brands have kept abreast of this. Of course, there will be differences, but IMO, they aren't all that critical. The pros and cons tend to even out. The real deciding factors are really that of cosmetics, user-friendliness and brand loyalties.
Peace out, yo.
Just noticed this thread late. Just with any advice you get over the internet (especially in forums), you've got to take it with a pinch of salt. Even "official" reviews may often be biased, even though they try to be as objective as possible (?).
Personally, I believe that all cameras within a certain price bracket are the same. The level of technology is at a certain stage and all the major brands have kept abreast of this. Of course, there will be differences, but IMO, they aren't all that critical. The pros and cons tend to even out. The real deciding factors are really that of cosmetics, user-friendliness and brand loyalties.
Peace out, yo.
When I was a total newbie, I was looking out for features and functionality of the camera that would suit me, not a brand.
In the first place, to be helpful to someone new, we should not look at the brand, but the model. Brand A may have good entry level models but fails at the professional end, and Brand B may be value-for-money throughout the range. The same can be said for sensor quality, ergonomics and every other variable in a camera. When I looked at the Sony 717, it was like "YUCKS" until I held it and then I liked the grip and 'feel'. But I bought a Fuji S602 instead, for valuemany other reasons.
It is no doubt that "branding" a brand is a sweeping statement, not too far from saying that Chinese people are business-minded and Japanese people are polite (and many other good or bad things that we can 'generalise' about other races).
To be truly helpful to newbies, especially when it comes to brands, I guess we can discuss only about the features that are truly across the board for brands, like customer service, cost of parts, and warranty coverage.
The original post is too much an opinion than a review. When a review is done, the good and the bad are discussed with supporting facts. What we think is an opinion.
For benissez: I have used, played with, handled, recommended and bought digital cameras from various brands and models, and my circle of friends appreciate my opinions, but they look for reviews on dpreview and other 'lab tests'. Query: If the lawyers of Olympus comes to you asking you to prove that the C750 is unstable, as you have said, or you pay them $1million in damages to their sales, what is your defence?
In the first place, to be helpful to someone new, we should not look at the brand, but the model. Brand A may have good entry level models but fails at the professional end, and Brand B may be value-for-money throughout the range. The same can be said for sensor quality, ergonomics and every other variable in a camera. When I looked at the Sony 717, it was like "YUCKS" until I held it and then I liked the grip and 'feel'. But I bought a Fuji S602 instead, for valuemany other reasons.
It is no doubt that "branding" a brand is a sweeping statement, not too far from saying that Chinese people are business-minded and Japanese people are polite (and many other good or bad things that we can 'generalise' about other races).
To be truly helpful to newbies, especially when it comes to brands, I guess we can discuss only about the features that are truly across the board for brands, like customer service, cost of parts, and warranty coverage.
The original post is too much an opinion than a review. When a review is done, the good and the bad are discussed with supporting facts. What we think is an opinion.
For benissez: I have used, played with, handled, recommended and bought digital cameras from various brands and models, and my circle of friends appreciate my opinions, but they look for reviews on dpreview and other 'lab tests'. Query: If the lawyers of Olympus comes to you asking you to prove that the C750 is unstable, as you have said, or you pay them $1million in damages to their sales, what is your defence?
Hmmmm... isn't this about as silly as a review on motherboard brands or canned soup or instant noodles...? "Myojo more upgradeable taste than Koka" :what: Tsk tsk. That isn't the way to go for building ego.
... but then again, I guess this thread will soon be sans its starter...
... but then again, I guess this thread will soon be sans its starter...
benissez said:
so after initial ticking off regarding the pay-to-shoot-windsurfers thing, this is the next Big Show? sigh. you have even awoken the Big Uncle ZeusS to come out and voice his opinion already... teeheehee
i love casio for the days when the QV100 was the HOT thing. 320x240 pixels if i remember correctly - how ever horrid and flat the colours were then, i'm glad it has improved :thumbsup:
but one thing for sure, regardless of who starts the post, it is still an open forum. even microsoft is opening up, why shouldn't you? oddly enough, all brands are criticized. how come hasselblad and mamiya are spared? after all, it's ALL camera brands reviewed...
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