hmm, u very rich wor...EP2 when launch (iirc) was S$1600 with kit+VF2, based on EP3 prices about same i think. usually sgp prices are on higher side. I think EPL3 suits my pocket more
[ Release Info ] - Three New PENs to add to the family... and more...
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noodlehaus
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Hmm, come to think of it, I'm quite disappointed too. I was expecting laz0r beams coming out of the front to shoot down enemies.
NazgulKing
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The ISO performance between the G3 and the EP3 are so similar that the only other selling points of the Olympus camera are aesthetics and the jpeg engine and slightly better metering. Worse still, the EVF is a separate thing, which means the G3 actually comes out slightly cheaper.
NazgulKing said:
Yah...dun buy the new PENs. They r all crap. The panasonics are still better in terms of function, size, performance and value. The lack of EVF in the new PENS is really unforgiveable. They shd hv at least just crammed a crap EVF into the camera body and kept the same size like wat the panasonics did. Wat were they thinking? Sheesh....
That is the road Olympus chose to go, you win some, you lose some, if Olympus put a crap EVF, it'd be bigger and people will complain "EH! Why Olympus give such a crappy built in EVF when the external EVF was good!?" I believe currently the cameras are meant to aim at the mass market much like the GF3, and the pro PEN is more likely to have a built in EVF competing with cameras like the GH2
As we've always believe, each cameras have their pros and cons, I know of people who go for camera mainly because of aesthetics, and I know of people who want a camera which is simple to use, in the case of the PENs and Gs, obviously the PEN will fit the former more and the Gs will fit the latter more
As we've always believe, each cameras have their pros and cons, I know of people who go for camera mainly because of aesthetics, and I know of people who want a camera which is simple to use, in the case of the PENs and Gs, obviously the PEN will fit the former more and the Gs will fit the latter more
Benares
Senior Member
Guys, please be mindful when you make your comments.
Surely after so many product launches from both the m4/3 companies, you can tell whom is working on what platform right?
Panasonic has the Gx, GHx for those who likes DSLR-ish experience (probably partly they are no longer producing anymore 4/3 bodies) which is of a conventional DSLR form factor. The GFx series comes in to fill the really compact form factor of the (REAL) m4/3 platform.
On the otherhand, Olympus doesn't seem to have anything specified in terms of the DSLR-ish m4/3 body atm (it could be the planned PEN PRO series). While their strength has been their retroish form factor introduced since E-P1, an in between of the real compacts and DSLR-ish form factor if you ask me. The difference between the E-Px3 really is just asthetics to me.
Now having said the above, my question for your statement making comparison that the EVF not being offered in PEN series, are you even actually comparing on the same platform? Like what elgkh mentioned, it could possibly be an engineering backfire that the development team realise to implement both the touchscreen function as well as EVF being offered on the same platform too?
ISO performance wise, it's nothing too fantastic, then again, like it or not, if you choose this system, you'll have to shave off at least 1 stop from the APS-C players if you really do pixel peep, otherwise, with the ability to offer you the iso speed of up to 12800, you can always try to do creative black/white shots in cases where you die-die have to snag the moment, right?
Knowing the limits of one's tools and being able to work around those limitations to obtain the desired shot is probably 1 of the fundamental requirement of how one is differentiated as a cameraman or photographer.
Surely after so many product launches from both the m4/3 companies, you can tell whom is working on what platform right?
Panasonic has the Gx, GHx for those who likes DSLR-ish experience (probably partly they are no longer producing anymore 4/3 bodies) which is of a conventional DSLR form factor. The GFx series comes in to fill the really compact form factor of the (REAL) m4/3 platform.
On the otherhand, Olympus doesn't seem to have anything specified in terms of the DSLR-ish m4/3 body atm (it could be the planned PEN PRO series). While their strength has been their retroish form factor introduced since E-P1, an in between of the real compacts and DSLR-ish form factor if you ask me. The difference between the E-Px3 really is just asthetics to me.
Now having said the above, my question for your statement making comparison that the EVF not being offered in PEN series, are you even actually comparing on the same platform? Like what elgkh mentioned, it could possibly be an engineering backfire that the development team realise to implement both the touchscreen function as well as EVF being offered on the same platform too?
ISO performance wise, it's nothing too fantastic, then again, like it or not, if you choose this system, you'll have to shave off at least 1 stop from the APS-C players if you really do pixel peep, otherwise, with the ability to offer you the iso speed of up to 12800, you can always try to do creative black/white shots in cases where you die-die have to snag the moment, right?
Knowing the limits of one's tools and being able to work around those limitations to obtain the desired shot is probably 1 of the fundamental requirement of how one is differentiated as a cameraman or photographer.
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Ah Wong, the video guy say its selling USD899 leh, if true I will ask my GF go US buy liao, LOL :bsmilie::bsmilie:hmm, u very rich wor...EP2 when launch (iirc) was S$1600 with kit+VF2, based on EP3 prices about same i think. usually sgp prices are on higher side. I think EPL3 suits my pocket more
I wish E-P3 was bigger, LOL, I'm satisfied with the improvements from E-P2 to E-P3 by Oly, my only complain about E-P2 was its display screen, the new sensor, faster AF and touch screen really sweeten the deal, the flash is unnecessary though.
I'm SOLD!!!!!
Actually, I need the flash though. I just wished that the EPL3 and the EPM1 had on board flash. Anyway, have to see how the small bundled flashes work.
I like the flash for fill in and for remote flash control.
Its definately not as good as indirect flash but its still better than no flash. I dun believe in trying to take photos when there is too little light without flash. The problem with flash is that it is bad if u do not know how to control or use it. Hence, there is this general myth that we should avoid using flash and also partly the reason so many "photographers" hanker for large aperture lens to shoot in low light. But there definately will come a point when low is too low, and a flash must be used. Problem is I am aiming to be as compact as possible so I try to live with onboard flash so that I dun look too much like a photographer or a gadget geek. Hahaha.
Agreed
My only gripe is Money no enough, Lenses no enough, Time no enough! BBBBBBBBBB
microcosm
Senior Member
Didn't see the video. Where I live YouTube is painfully slow... LOL!
microcosm
Senior Member
At one glance, I laughed out loud... air ticket to the US is more expensive than the camera itself, but then again, it keeps the GF happy...
Guess you opened a can of worms... next time we will all tompang your lobang ok? Ha ha ha...
microcosm
Senior Member
That is why I was over the moon and still love the 17mm / 20mm pancake lenses. Slap that on a Pen and you can shoot street without attracting a lot of stares. That works great when one is shooting in places where tough guys don't like to be photographed... like fishing villages or mines. I am waiting to see how the E-P3 work out, and most likely I will go for the silver one. Might pick up the 45mm lens for fun, but the 12mm I will most likely pass. So I am hoping there will be a firmware for the existing pancakes to get some speed bump upgrade to work with the new TRIO. But I am not sold yet, until a hands on.
Hitman
Senior Member
For those interested, the Four Thirds simulation website has the E-P3 and the FL-300R flash updated, so you can try and see how the setup looks. The simulation also allows you to choose the type of grips you want to see on the E-P3.
http://www.four-thirds.org/en/special/matching.html
Have fun!
http://www.four-thirds.org/en/special/matching.html
Have fun!
E-P3's AF performance with the 12-60mm SWD. http://youtu.be/JR6dP7fQXRI
Benares
Senior Member
What a pity, not as zippy. Anyhow, I think I recall that the 12-60 was not 'CDAF-optimized' when it was first developed, as such the supposedly 14-54 Mk II was released as 'CDAF-optimized'. Probably not even a firmware upgrade to the 12-60 is going to put it to be anywhere on par when used on the 4/3 body. On the other hand, the 14-54 Mk II might possibly have slightly better af speed (just my hunch).
noodlehaus
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If I wanted a camera that performs and looks like a DSLR, I think I would've gotten one. It would've been cheaper too.
READ: I/We don't want another DSLR or another camera that looks like one :/
READ: I/We don't want another DSLR or another camera that looks like one :/
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