Question on B&S - who is first to get item? Post in B&S thread or SMS?

[dominator]

I had this experience with a :thumbsd: cs fellow. Agree to meet clementi mrt, then never show up. I called him 10mins later, he answered my call and told me he still in school. Then ask if I can go nus meet him since I riding. When i reach there he sms me "please wait
15mins, my friend coming along to check lens". Finally when he appears, asked me if i got bring touch light because meeting place too dark else how to inspect the lens???......!!!!!
I got fed up, told him "F YOU, I not selling!"
Then that fellow "sorry sorry ok ok sorry, I really keen to buy", after that he walked towards a lamp post and inspect the lens. I noticed his friend also pissed off already. That fellow then walked back and pay me. Before I left...guess what?? He $%&$%$# took photos of me on bike! I asked him what the f??? He said "in case lens spoil then I can post your bike pic in CS!" :bigeyes:

Above is just a story cut short...too much details to write.

I totally disagree with this. Remind me not to buy anything from you in the future. Waste people time.

U can refuse to the offer to meet up. But ONCE people meet up, PLEASE do it with sincerity and don't back away from the deal unless there are some good reason.

:bsmilie: Ok, then don't buy if I selling anything you keen on.
But when you selling, you cannot denied what I want to buy if any ;p

 

[deckard]

He $%&$%$# took photos of me on bike! I asked him what the f??? He said "in case lens spoil then I can post your bike pic in CS!" :bigeyes:

Above is just a story cut short...too much details to write.

wow! so honestly stupid of the guy. I am surprised you didn't beat him up! :bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

 

[madmacs]

Hi there and hopefully someone from Clubsnap Admin or Moderator too. I have a situation here that i want to understand a bit better and know the interpretation of the rules exactly.

Say a person puts an item up for sale in B&S at a price and leaves his handphone number behind in the thread too. However, no indication has been given in the thread whether he prefers offers via SMS or that he cannot check the thread regularly to update on offers.

Now say person X posts in his thread within 30minutes of his posting his item and offers him the selling price. Deal done? Logical ain't it?? :dunno:

However, upon contacting the seller later he mentions that he has received an offer by SMS which he has agreed to sell the item to that person who sent the SMS. :cry:

Fact #1 - SMS came later than offer on his B&S post. Except that he has not seen his thread and the offer on the thread. This is all happening in a few hours only and not even days apart. Person who posted first did have access to a handphone so instead he used the primary medium which is the B&S on CS to post his offer & interest to buy the item. This should take clear priority over other contact points like email, sms etc.

Fact #2 - This is CS, an honorable, friendly, trustworthy internet forum. Your item is put for sale on B&S, and sellers use this facility to change, upgrade, sell, buy etc etc new equipment so we should first respect this forum as the primary one. Should it not be then that the first post on sellers B&S get priority of purchase if all things standing the same like price etc. Although seller has committed to SMS offer, he should inform the person who sent the SMS that there was a prior offer on his B&S which he had not seen when the SMS confirmation to the SMS offer was given?

Over to friends and admin and mod for your esteemed opinions please....

Thanks and have a nice day everyone! :thumbsup:

regarding fact #1, if the seller has listed his phone number, then its up to you to choose the best way of contacting him. although the sms may have reached the seller later, the seller may not have access to b&s at that point. so if he has received a reasonable offer over sms, he is within his rights to conclude deal with the sms buyer at that time. the only cause for complaint is if the seller has already agreed to sell the camera to you, and later changes his mind and sells it to someone else. then again...you can only complain. no deal is final until money and equipment changes hands.

fact #2...probably possible if the seller is in no hurry to close the deal. in practice the seller may have to decide based on the information available at that point in time. for example, if someone makes a generous offer over sms...perhaps at the sellers buy-now price. why shouldn't he accept the offer there and then instead of checking b&s replies later?

 

[madmacs]

Thanks to all for your opinions, I am open to hearing you all out so welcome the openess and candid nature of your comments.

I totally disagree with a few of the above comments:

A) There is honor in clubsnap and I have personally seen it having bid, bought and traded with a few of fellow CS'ers here. What i liked about this forum (even tho am a newbie) is that each person and each thread has a sense of real fair play. There were hardly any of those type of incidences that some of you mention above, i.e. seller chooses to sell item at $10 instead of a $1000 bid, sellers I have seen have excercised the utmost dignity in the B&S forums. To all those sellers I salute YOU!! I even came across a few sellers who got a higher bid but had already reserved their items, they then posted to the higher bidder in the forum that deal was on hold pending deal with person who had met BNP, and the item was reserved. So please gents & ladies...there is great honor amongst most fellow CS'ers here! :thumbsup:

i think honor only comes into play if the seller has already agreed to sell the item to you. it would then not be honorable for him to backout of that and sell to someone else of offered higher. as long as no agreement to sell has been made, the seller is free to decide who to sell to.

 

[goering]

No case.

There is no contract until seller accepts bid. In sites like CS, the offer to sell is only an invitation to treat.

Seller is only obliged to sell in commercial sites like ebay or a public tender exercise where there are explicit legally binding terms. Even then, it is based on highest bid and not the first bid

 

[Morphis]

Hi there and hopefully someone from Clubsnap Admin or Moderator too. I have a situation here that i want to understand a bit better and know the interpretation of the rules exactly.

Over to friends and admin and mod for your esteemed opinions please....

Thanks and have a nice day everyone! :thumbsup:

Welcome to ClubSNAP. :devil:
It sucks not to be able to close ya deal. It's afterall a private personal transaction.
Da Admin or Mods have dun their job. iTrader is there for ya to monitor who u wanna deal with.
The system is very simple, highest offer dun mean ya win. Choose wisely.
Wish ya good luck in da B&S. Ya PR skills can help ya alot to git wat ya wan.:thumbsup:

 

[denmad]

There is no contract until seller accepts bid. In sites like CS, the offer to sell is only an invitation to treat.

Seller is only obliged to sell in commercial sites like ebay or a public tender exercise where there are explicit legally binding terms. Even then, it is based on highest bid and not the first bid

Hi Goering, no offence, but this is not exactly the situation in the TS's case. The seller had a "buy now" price, and that made it an offer and not just an invitation to treat. This detail only emerged later in the thread though, to be fair. What is your opinion in this case?