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[KeyserSoze]

Haha. pricing themselves out ?

Have you heard of horror stories from Lasik in a foriegn land ? No ? just scare tactics ? I'm not fooling aroudn with my eyes the least.


Also, of course its a free market and hobbyist are more than welcomed to try to break into pro circuit.

But of course if you think that pros are 'at fault' because we're fat and lazy and greedy ?? Not reviewing or clearing up our act ? then you're mistaken.

check out www.weva.org and see how American wedding videographers are ethical and do not undercut another. In fact freelancers/hobbyists often ask of pros to see how better to advertise themselves and their quotes to not affect the pro market share.

 

[copperbird]

cockcroches (ka zua) have been in this planet for a few millions years liao.
You cannot kill them as one die alot more was born at the same time.

But ka zua cant live very long in the world.

Thus dont give a damn to lower price photographers, as they cut here cut there, also don know how they live, but wat i know they cant survive long.
today one give up, tomolo another one starts again, so juz leave them alone.

We, as professional, will live by our names, charge our rates accordingly, don do such things to downgrade ourselves and fellows professionals.

Professionals, are people who respect themselves, and others, will never undercut its industries till everyone dies. Its all abt ethical.

 

[chaotic]

to call people cockroach, you are far worse than anyone who undercuts pricing. if you are a pro, act like one.

 

[wshooter]

Thanks for all the advices from the TOP professionals. :thumbsup: I find it enlightening. As a nice gesture to all potential clients, please go through http://www.singaporebrides.com.sg/photographers.htm, there is an extensive list of professional photographers down there. Yup, since i do not do this full-time, i am not a professional, technically speaking. I do not have a degree in film/photography as well etc..... Naturally my pictures won't be as good or have as much soul compared to the professionals.


Just to answer a few general queries from my PMs.

Like i said, my overheads are low. I can source decent prints (of course better than Stand*** Photo kind of quality) at a low price, how low can i go of course it's classified. I can source decent albums at good prices. I can source DVD+/-Rs at good prices. My Computing power is nearly free. I think of ways on how to package and pass savings to the customers. Of course i'd like to charge $1,000 with prints... :bsmilie: Just kidding....

Prints are done with FDi lab with Crystal Archive Supreme, choice of matte or glossy. If you find my portfolio acceptable, we can meet up to show the actual prints which I have in case there is still a question mark hovering over the quality. You see the prints and we discuss the deliverables, then you pay the deposit. No obligations at all, it's your wedding and I need to ensure that your happy day is happy, everything is clean and everyone is happy. I am easy-going.

For the returns, i can give CD-RW or DVD recordables. The "negatives" are burned onto Imation or similar brand DVD-R (or +R, depends on my stock). Those for distribution to be viewed on regular TV/DVD player perhaps i can give 2 branded ones and 8 OEMs.

Other cool offers, 49 cents air-tickets..... : http://www.airasia.com/general.php?p=sgmain&l=sg
Just joking mates....

Cheers and have a nice weekend, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[wshooter]

Alright, as advised.....my service is more of those good value-for-money entry level PJ photography. I believe there are customers for every price points, so I must emphasise that my pics will be "entry-level". How good or bad is it, the customers decide whether they like my shooting style, everything is clean. It's like shopping for your bridal package from the studios, potential clients should have gone through that by now. There are customers who go for Ferraris and there are customers who go for Vios. I guess I am a Vios.... Cheers dudes.

 

[ptwong]

no offence but why should you be worry about hobbyists' charge rate? I have never seen your portfolio before but i would think it would be great since you're able to survive in this line. I believe that price and quality goes hand in hand most of the time but there's of course exceptions. If wshooter's standard cannot make it, he won't survive long. If can make, he will start charging more soon. It's a consumer market nowadays, let the customers make the choice.

 

[copperbird]

to call people cockroach, you are far worse than anyone who undercuts pricing. if you are a pro, act like one.

i don call them that, i juz use that as a example as wat my friend told me, this people will never die off, one goes out, another one comes in again, never ending stories.......

when i started as a wedding photographer (parttime) quite a few years back, compare to the rates then and now, i also don charge that low.

Y? 1. becos my shifu tell me once i charge that price, if wan to raise will be difficult.
2. if i charge low, alot of photographers will complaint and also spoilt the market rate, very bad, and MY SHIFU was very rite cos now, see how many and wat ppl say in this tread?

Lucky i seldom do wedding now cos abit old, or else i sooner or later die of heart attack becos of this ppl.

I believe the album was from ang mo kio or eunos cos very cheap there, the prints should be $0.25/- or $0.22/- cheapers in the market liao.

 

[ptwong]

Alright, as advised.....my service is more of those good value-for-money entry level PJ photography. I believe there are customers for every price points, so I must emphasise that my pics will be "entry-level". How good or bad is it, the customers decide whether they like my shooting style, everything is clean. It's like shopping for your bridal package from the studios, potential clients should have gone through that by now. There are customers who go for Ferraris and there are customers who go for Vios. I guess I am a Vios.... Cheers dudes.

I like Vios, nice budget car

 

[ckuang]

"offering gloryworkz top notch albums"

No offense guys, but gloryworkz is not a top notch album. They work for the price point of our wedding market in Singapore, but i can assure you that the albums they offer are not the kinds of album you want to offer high end clients internationally.

 

[ptwong]

i don call them that, i juz use that as a example as wat my friend told me, this people will never die off, one goes out, another one comes in again, never ending stories.......

when i started as a wedding photographer (parttime) quite a few years back, compare to the rates then and now, i also don charge that low.

Y? 1. becos my shifu tell me once i charge that price, if wan to raise will be difficult.
2. if i charge low, alot of photographers will complaint and also spoilt the market rate, very bad, and MY SHIFU was very rite cos now, see how many and wat ppl say in this tread?

Lucky i seldom do wedding now cos abit old, or else i sooner or later die of heart attack becos of this ppl.

I believe the album was from ang mo kio or eunos cos very cheap there, the prints should be $0.25/- or $0.22/- cheapers in the market liao.

times are different so i don't think it's fair to compare. Same saying like police used to wear shorts etc.
I agree with what you say but I don't think Wee Khim starting charging as much as he does now when he started right? If you're good, you're good and charge more. If not, see ya...
I know of at least one pro CSnapper who increase his prices for weddings because people think he's good. If he can do it, I'm sure the rest of pros can too.

 

[Dennis]

This is free market, anybody can charge what he likes or even free. Let the customer judge for themselves. If results are not acceptable than he will not survive very long. If results are more than acceptable than why are so called professional photographers charging so much !!, maybe the Pro don't know how to source for good and cheap lens or prints (than you should learn from him) or maybe you should be more innovative, improve and charge cheaper.

It does not make a difference weather you are Pro or not, the consumer decides. If there is a market for even unacceptable prints and services than be it, Pro should cater for the market demand. If Pro thinks that he only can remain in the high echelon than so be it and don't complain.

 

[phototalk]

Ok, so we have part timers charging $500 for whole day wedding and all the goodies. After awhile, they realised they don't make money so they packed up. But the bench mark of "$500" stays on, at least in the minds of those looking for Actual Day photographers.
The part-timers go back to their full time jobs and the PROs?? This is called-Hurting the market!
The PROs do not have some big corporations backing us up so DON"T compare us with some budget airlines!
So how much do you make from the $500 you're charging after deducting all the cost? I'm really curious.I'm not even sure you're getting anything ($) out of it other than leaving behind some rotten legacy for the PROs.
You said "burning the pix into CDs require min. cost "etc. Are you saying, your computer's free, softwares' free, learning's free, DSLR's free, when your hardware breaks down also free repair???

EXAMPLE ONLY OK,dun flame me - cockroaches may die but the diseases (legacy) they carry don't. They linger on!

 

[arttl]

I am SERIOUSLY hurt.... :bheart:

Think got to beg on the street soon........ :think:

 

[copperbird]

I am SERIOUSLY hurt.... :bheart:

Think got to beg on the street soon........ :think:

wat happen my friend, this is a interesting topic to disscuss, although this topic will never land anywhere......

 

[Dennis]

Well if after a while they realised that they don't make money and the business go back to the "Pro" how is it that the $500 will stay as nobody will be able to provide the same price.

 

[arttl]

wat happen my friend, this is a interesting topic to disscuss, although this topic will never land anywhere......

Haha... No lar... Think I have to 'review' my packages alreadie.... :think:

How to compete with such low rates?? :cry:

Hmmm.... wad if I use my LOMO instead?? :bsmilie: Maybe that will work....

 

[copperbird]

Haha... No lar... Think I have to 'review' my packages alreadie.... :think:

How to compete with such low rates?? :cry:

Hmmm.... wad if I use my LOMO instead?? :bsmilie: Maybe that will work....

guess need to counter offer @$499/- or juz shoot for free, and tell the world that pros don need to eat, becos TAKING PICS WITH GD QUALITY WAS MY HOBBY.

 

[Bromba]

Ok, so we have part timers charging $500 for whole day wedding and all the goodies. After awhile, they realised they don't make money so they packed up. But the bench mark of "$500" stays on, at least in the minds of those looking for Actual Day photographers.
The part-timers go back to their full time jobs and the PROs?? This is called-Hurting the market!
The PROs do not have some big corporations backing us up so DON"T compare us with some budget airlines!
So how much do you make from the $500 you're charging after deducting all the cost? I'm really curious.I'm not even sure you're getting anything ($) out of it other than leaving behind some rotten legacy for the PROs.
You said "burning the pix into CDs require min. cost "etc. Are you saying, your computer's free, softwares' free, learning's free, DSLR's free, when your hardware breaks down also free repair???

EXAMPLE ONLY OK,dun flame me - cockroaches may die but the diseases (legacy) they carry don't. They linger on!

If $500 hobbyist destroys a Pro's business, then it means that Pro's photos are not that much better for the customers to justify his higher price. If that's that case, maybe it's time for the Pro to stop complaining and either offer a better price (lower or throw in some extras) or try to improve his skills? Maybe the only thing about such Pro is his price, not quality?

If you say that customers are stupid and can't see lousy pic from a good one, or are so damn greedy that they will always go for the cheapest one no matter how crappy it is, then I am truly sorry for you, cos it must suck badly to be in the service industry with this kind of attitude. I am sorry for your customers, too.

 

[arttl]

guess need to counter offer @$499/- or juz shoot for free, and tell the world that pros don need to eat, becos TAKING PICS WITH GD QUALITY WAS MY HOBBY.

or U can also say PROUDLY: "PHOTOGRAPHY IS MY PASSION! MY LIFE!!"

 

[Larry]

Ok this has gone on long enough. Whatever your opinion & views on wshooter's charges and packages, pls respect his thread enough to refrain from passing price judgments. This is tantamount to people posting their opinions of prices being too high/low on B&S items (aka. thread-crashing). This is a free market so let market forces decide. I'm monitoring this thread and further OT remarks will be removed asap.

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