[ Product Discussion ] - Olympus E-5 hand on _thought and sample pic

[Blu-By-U]

...Anyways let go back to E5 sample photos... so far the sample photos are great of course ...

So far, this is the one nice decent model shot. Let me give you some links I have seen. I would have NOT put that E-5 on my want list because of it. :lol:

From the UK-E system forum

From Olympus Malaysia's FaceBook Photo Album

 

[elgkh]

So far, this is the one nice decent model shot. Let me give you some links I have seen. I would have NOT put that E-5 on my want list because of it. :lol:

From the UK-E system forum

From Olympus Malaysia's FaceBook Photo Album

Further proof that its the photographer, not the camera? Robin's photos look so much better.

Can't say I like all the dramatic art filter shots though.

 

[spidey89]

Further proof that its the photographer, not the camera? Robin's photos look so much better.

Can't say I like all the dramatic art filter shots though.

I agree, some of the dramatic art filter shots aren't nice, I only like 2 or 3 from my own set, it is seriously hard to use, if I got time,I'd rather do the "original" way of HDR rather than dramatic tone

 

[Benares]

no thanks..I don't want my nose doing some setting while my eye is looking through that viewfinder.

Totally in agreement in that aspect. It will work against the users for a flagship camera. These marketing gimmicks should only be put on those hobbyists range of products like the GH2...

 

[Sispecho]

So far, this is the one nice decent model shot. Let me give you some links I have seen. I would have NOT put that E-5 on my want list because of it. :lol:

From the UK-E system forum

From Olympus Malaysia's FaceBook Photo Album

The FaceBook one is just terrible... Oh my Goodness.

 

[candycaine]

Just some thoughts to share: not sure if it is in the right thread, there are quite a number of E5-related threads now.

After viewing many hands-on sample pics from the various sites, I don't understand why the Dynamic filter is utilised so frequently, so much so that one can easily mistake the pseudo-HDR effect for the original E5 colour reproduction. That said, I'd rather do an exposure blend to increase the dynamic range of the photo for real as opposed to using a somewhat gimmicky art filter to simulate this.

It's disappointing how E5 looks more like a "firmware update" to the E3, more than anything else.

I'm only hoping that Olympus will do the right thing and at least attempt to bridge the 4/3 line to the m4/3 line properly, as opposed to developing two seperate lines and then discontinuing the 4/3 line. As it is, 4/3 lenses and accessories can be used on m43 but not vice versa, clearly showing the intention of Olympus to drive non-professional users straight to m43- but this is highly insulting and annoying.

Sony has already made its intentions clear- it's slowly changing its Alpha line to become increasingly similar to their NEX series. Oly, on the other hand, had better not release a E620 replacement and then promptly annouce that the 4/3 adventure is over.

 

[diCam]

It's disappointing how E5 looks more like a "firmware update" to the E3, more than anything else.

It's nice to read your thoughts here.

E-5 is definitely more than "firmware update" to the E-3.

If you are in Singapore and your time permits, make a visit to Olympus Studio this coming Saturday, from 2pm to 5pm.

See it for yourself.

 

[albertri]

Just some thoughts to share: not sure if it is in the right thread, there are quite a number of E5-related threads now.

After viewing many hands-on sample pics from the various sites, I don't understand why the Dynamic filter is utilised so frequently, so much so that one can easily mistake the pseudo-HDR effect for the original E5 colour reproduction. That said, I'd rather do an exposure blend to increase the dynamic range of the photo for real as opposed to using a somewhat gimmicky art filter to simulate this.

It's disappointing how E5 looks more like a "firmware update" to the E3, more than anything else.

I'm only hoping that Olympus will do the right thing and at least attempt to bridge the 4/3 line to the m4/3 line properly, as opposed to developing two seperate lines and then discontinuing the 4/3 line. As it is, 4/3 lenses and accessories can be used on m43 but not vice versa, clearly showing the intention of Olympus to drive non-professional users straight to m43- but this is highly insulting and annoying.

Sony has already made its intentions clear- it's slowly changing its Alpha line to become increasingly similar to their NEX series. Oly, on the other hand, had better not release a E620 replacement and then promptly annouce that the 4/3 adventure is over.

I agree with you in someways.... I think E5 is a very good cam and produces very good IQ but like I said not everyone would want the form factor...

If I'm checking out Oly cam line up I see ohhh nice entry level cam (m4/3) and very nice pro dslr (E5) and then.... errr where's the middle ground??? there's a missing void in between... Who ever doing thier marketing surely not doing a very good :thumbsd: job

if you do a survey of all Oly user I bet the E-XX and E-XXX users out numbered the E-X users. and they left those ppl out in the dark....

 

[spidey89]

It's nice to read your thoughts here.

E-5 is definitely more than "firmware update" to the E-3.

If you are in Singapore and your time permits, make a visit to Olympus Studio this coming Saturday, from 2pm to 5pm.

See it for yourself.

I agree that while the E-5 seems more like a firmware update, the performance and handling has changed, handling has good and bad points though, it feels more balanced somewhat, but the buttons have become smaller is is a little bit of a pain in the rear for me to change using the arrows but at least I'm used to the button and dial method

Probably the reason why the dynamic tone is used so often is because its new. Since people tend to use new things rather than old, as well as to showcase the capability of the new art filter

I don't think the right thing is the bridge the 4/3 line to the m4/3 line but more likely is the logical thing, they may not just" ok, today is the end of 4/3" since Canon that did in the past and so did Olympus before Canon moved to the EF lenses and Olympus dropped the OM cameras.

Its probably physics which doesn't allow the m4/3 lenses to be used on the 4/3 cameras, as well as accessories, not many now, but for example, why would you want to use the EVF on the E-5? I mean that as an example only

How is it insulting that Olympus is driving none professionals to the m4/3? annoying probably, insulting, I just don't see it

Besides, Olympus has stated that in the future, all camera will be mirrorless, I won't be surprised pros use m4/3 cameras once the mirrorless cameras specs and performance catch up to current cameras.

Its probably a good thing, I've heard my friends complain to me that their DSLR is heavy, and what are they using? Entry level DSLRs

True that the m4/3 cameras don't look "professional" but what matters is what comes out of the camera since in the past, block cameras look pretty much like E-P1 and E-P2 minus the prism for OVF

Whatever Sony or any other company does, its their choice, I won't expect Olympus to follow suit. Its like cooking fish, you can steam it or fry it or make it into curry. Olympus choice was to bridge the 4/3 to the m4/3 slowly, and its seen now actually. Also the rumors of the modular system makes the future even more interesting

 

[albertri]

I agree that while the E-5 seems more like a firmware update, the performance and handling has changed, handling has good and bad points though, it feels more balanced somewhat, but the buttons have become smaller is is a little bit of a pain in the rear for me to change using the arrows but at least I'm used to the button and dial method

Probably the reason why the dynamic tone is used so often is because its new. Since people tend to use new things rather than old, as well as to showcase the capability of the new art filter

I don't think the right thing is the bridge the 4/3 line to the m4/3 line but more likely is the logical thing, they may not just" ok, today is the end of 4/3" since Canon that did in the past and so did Olympus before Canon moved to the EF lenses and Olympus dropped the OM cameras.

Its probably physics which doesn't allow the m4/3 lenses to be used on the 4/3 cameras, as well as accessories, not many now, but for example, why would you want to use the EVF on the E-5? I mean that as an example only

How is it insulting that Olympus is driving none professionals to the m4/3? annoying probably, insulting, I just don't see it

Besides, Olympus has stated that in the future, all camera will be mirrorless, I won't be surprised pros use m4/3 cameras once the mirrorless cameras specs and performance catch up to current cameras.

Its probably a good thing, I've heard my friends complain to me that their DSLR is heavy, and what are they using? Entry level DSLRs

True that the m4/3 cameras don't look "professional" but what matters is what comes out of the camera since in the past, block cameras look pretty much like E-P1 and E-P2 minus the prism for OVF

Whatever Sony or any other company does, its their choice, I won't expect Olympus to follow suit. Its like cooking fish, you can steam it or fry it or make it into curry. Olympus choice was to bridge the 4/3 to the m4/3 slowly, and its seen now actually. Also the rumors of the modular system makes the future even more interesting

To me bro just look at thier current line up there's a huge gap in between... Sony already have started a tranluncent which basically removing the mirror box and the prism in exchanging it wirh EVF and almost a full time live view... but they still keeping it seperated from thier NEX series... if you're doing a good marketing job you will know not everyone would want to have a form factor of a NEX nor a form factor of a A850 same goes for Oly.... if they wish to really kill thier 4/3 why release a flagship? why not release pro-m4/3? and let the 4/3 fades out... by doing this release E5 they are making 4/3 death a slow and painful not for Oly but for it's avid users...

Anyways let go back to the E5 photo quality and video capabilities... Anyone knows if there's a limitation on how long you could take continious video with E5? and does AF works on video? coz in the sample it seems it a fixed focus.... of just my eyes not fast enough to see the AF transition...

 

[bousozoku]

no thanks..I don't want my nose doing some setting while my eye is looking through that viewfinder.

Does Panasonic's DMC-G2 work that way?

 

[spidey89]

To me bro just look at thier current line up there's a huge gap in between... Sony already have started a tranluncent which basically removing the mirror box and the prism in exchanging it wirh EVF and almost a full time live view... but they still keeping it seperated from thier NEX series... if you're doing a good marketing job you will know not everyone would want to have a form factor of a NEX nor a form factor of a A850 same goes for Oly.... if they wish to really kill thier 4/3 why release a flagship? why not release pro-m4/3? and let the 4/3 fades out... by doing this release E5 they are making 4/3 death a slow and painful not for Oly but for it's avid users...

Anyways let go back to the E5 photo quality and video capabilities... Anyone knows if there's a limitation on how long you could take continious video with E5? and does AF works on video? coz in the sample it seems it a fixed focus.... of just my eyes not fast enough to see the AF transition...

The E-30 is the only camera of its class and it came at the end, before the E-5, Sony chose to do that and Olympus chose to do what they're doing, no one else can say anything even despite whatever feelings anyone has about it. The fact that they released a flagship is to show that they're still in this business, and that m4/3 tech has yet to reach to that level where the 4/3 system can be discontinued. I've said it before, the E-5 or any other flagship for that matter was made and aimed at professional and serious amateurs, if newbies buy it, that's their choice

simply put, Olympus chose to go down this road, and Sony chose the other, Canon and Nikon has yet to make their move on mirrorless which is their own road, whatever the company comes out with, there will always be a love hate relationship, some love the E-5, some hate it

There is focus in the video mode when filming, but I wouldn't use it, most of the time filming also just use manual or fixed focus, something I do myself

 

[albertri]

The E-30 is the only camera of its class and it came at the end, before the E-5, Sony chose to do that and Olympus chose to do what they're doing, no one else can say anything even despite whatever feelings anyone has about it. The fact that they released a flagship is to show that they're still in this business, and that m4/3 tech has yet to reach to that level where the 4/3 system can be discontinued. I've said it before, the E-5 or any other flagship for that matter was made and aimed at professional and serious amateurs, if newbies buy it, that's their choice

simply put, Olympus chose to go down this road, and Sony chose the other, Canon and Nikon has yet to make their move on mirrorless which is their own road, whatever the company comes out with, there will always be a love hate relationship, some love the E-5, some hate it

There is focus in the video mode when filming, but I wouldn't use it, most of the time filming also just use manual or fixed focus, something I do myself

yeah like I said Oly again neglected thier middle users and focus on thier m4/3 and pro... anyways I rest my case with Oly I just hope they'll wake up one day and reliaze the mistake they made for leaving thier middle users out of the picture with product roadmap....

Does anyone has a sample vid with AF on? want to see how good and fast is the AF.. seen some Nikon D7000 sample and the AF is a bit weird not very smooth...

thanks guys!

 

[candycaine]

I agree that while the E-5 seems more like a firmware update, the performance and handling has changed, handling has good and bad points though, it feels more balanced somewhat, but the buttons have become smaller is is a little bit of a pain in the rear for me to change using the arrows but at least I'm used to the button and dial method

Probably the reason why the dynamic tone is used so often is because its new. Since people tend to use new things rather than old, as well as to showcase the capability of the new art filter

I don't think the right thing is the bridge the 4/3 line to the m4/3 line but more likely is the logical thing, they may not just" ok, today is the end of 4/3" since Canon that did in the past and so did Olympus before Canon moved to the EF lenses and Olympus dropped the OM cameras.

Its probably physics which doesn't allow the m4/3 lenses to be used on the 4/3 cameras, as well as accessories, not many now, but for example, why would you want to use the EVF on the E-5? I mean that as an example only

How is it insulting that Olympus is driving none professionals to the m4/3? annoying probably, insulting, I just don't see it

Besides, Olympus has stated that in the future, all camera will be mirrorless, I won't be surprised pros use m4/3 cameras once the mirrorless cameras specs and performance catch up to current cameras.

Its probably a good thing, I've heard my friends complain to me that their DSLR is heavy, and what are they using? Entry level DSLRs

True that the m4/3 cameras don't look "professional" but what matters is what comes out of the camera since in the past, block cameras look pretty much like E-P1 and E-P2 minus the prism for OVF

Whatever Sony or any other company does, its their choice, I won't expect Olympus to follow suit. Its like cooking fish, you can steam it or fry it or make it into curry. Olympus choice was to bridge the 4/3 to the m4/3 slowly, and its seen now actually. Also the rumors of the modular system makes the future even more interesting

I have not touched the E5 yet, and I hope I can do so soon. But on paper and from the samples, it seems that nothing has changed drastically since the E3. Of course, there are improvements and these will be the pull-factors for any one considering an E5 over an E3.

Wrt the usage of 43 on m43 and vice versa, I understand some of the physics behind it. But the lack of cross-compatibility between the 2 systems is a probably a testament to Oly's lack of desire to continue the 43 system in the medium to long run. While some accessories for m43 are redundant for use on 43 cameras, some lenses, such as the fast prime 20mm 1.7, for example are not avaliable for 43s, with the closest equivalents are the 35 f3.5 and 50 f2.

Driving non-professional users to m43 is insulting because it is evident that little consideration is taken into the needs and wants of Olympus users. Although the consumer market evidently desires portable, DSLR quality to a large degree, a significant number of users still prefer the handling and to some extent, quality of the E system over the PEN system. Nevertheless, it's probably an overreaction on my part and "insulting" may be too strong a word to use.

To be frank, worries over whether Olympus will make the right marketing and developmental decisions aside, I am eager to see what Oly has in store. If 43 comes to an end, then Olympus should at least put a pro-level m43 camera into the market. That should be exciting.

 

[elgkh]

I accept that Olympus does not have the resources to develop both the high end and mid level offerings together. What I don't get is why did they aim for the higher ground first? Is it because the higher end users tend to make more noise?

 

[bousozoku]

I have not touched the E5 yet, and I hope I can do so soon. But on paper and from the samples, it seems that nothing has changed drastically since the E3. Of course, there are improvements and these will be the pull-factors for any one considering an E5 over an E3.
...

While the E-5 seems a simple update to the E-3, the fact that Olympus finally fixed the sharpness problem but reducing the strength of the anti-aliasing filter was a huge change, though it should have occurred no later than 2008. Review after review on the E-3 described a fuzziness or lack of sharpness compared to the E-1.

Disregarding the sensor upgrade, everything else is convenience really. The inclusion of the art filters is silly and says to me that there will be no E-50 model and that Olympus no longer consider the E-5 professional.

 

[albertri]

I accept that Olympus does not have the resources to develop both the high end and mid level offerings together. What I don't get is why did they aim for the higher ground first? Is it because the higher end users tend to make more noise?

Maybe the higher end users spend more than middle users

 

[diCam]

To be frank, worries over whether Olympus will make the right marketing and developmental decisions aside, I am eager to see what Oly has in store. If 43 comes to an end, then Olympus should at least put a pro-level m43 camera into the market. That should be exciting.

2011.

 

[diCam]

I have not touched the E5 yet, and I hope I can do so soon. But on paper and from the samples, it seems that nothing has changed drastically since the E3. Of course, there are improvements and these will be the pull-factors for any one considering an E5 over an E3.

Why form an opinion based on information obtain from paper and samples? You should see it for yourself.

 

[albertri]

While the E-5 seems a simple update to the E-3, the fact that Olympus finally fixed the sharpness problem but reducing the strength of the anti-aliasing filter was a huge change, though it should have occurred no later than 2008. Review after review on the E-3 described a fuzziness or lack of sharpness compared to the E-1.

Disregarding the sensor upgrade, everything else is convenience really. The inclusion of the art filters is silly and says to me that there will be no E-50 model and that Olympus no longer consider the E-5 professional.

I must admit after seeing all the sample photos (except those art filters) the IQ is very very good.... maybe if they sell the E5 around 1.5K I might consider it if they insist of 2.4K nah... wont spend that much for E5 even though it has a very good IQ the size puts me off. But then again it's just me :bsmilie: