diediealsomustdive
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Prime replacements for 24-120mm
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bethpapa74
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Good choice TS !
ChengB
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Haha that is what i would have expected as well. it is good glass after all.
You have the same lenses that I have but I am leaning toward the 85 1.8G as I feel that the 50 1.8G is not either here or there.
I do have the 50 1.4D before that but just don't like the range so I sold away.
Care to share what you mean my "didn't like the range"? You are probably referring to the focal length right? I cant imagine someone not liking f1.4!:bigeyes:
Anyway I'm borrowing a 50mm f1.8D from my friend to test out whether or not i like the focal length. That would probably help in my decision to acquire the f1.8G!
GReddyZC76
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just set your 24-120 to 50mm fix it there and shoot.
personally i love F1.4, but 50mm is "not here not there", so i not quite like the 50mm focal length.
(i have a afs 28mm f1.8g and af 85mm f1.8d)
personally i love F1.4, but 50mm is "not here not there", so i not quite like the 50mm focal length.
(i have a afs 28mm f1.8g and af 85mm f1.8d)
u should c wat type of pics u like.
i know for sure the 50mm can't get close enough for food shots, which is wat i like to take.
hence i got the 60 marco and i love tat lense.
the length 60mm is nice for portraits too.
24-120 is a useful lense to hv...u can consider getting the 50 f1.8D version while keepin ur 24-120.
try the 50mm 1st, and u might jus prefer the 24-120 better
i know for sure the 50mm can't get close enough for food shots, which is wat i like to take.
hence i got the 60 marco and i love tat lense.
the length 60mm is nice for portraits too.
24-120 is a useful lense to hv...u can consider getting the 50 f1.8D version while keepin ur 24-120.
try the 50mm 1st, and u might jus prefer the 24-120 better
ChengB
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just set your 24-120 to 50mm fix it there and shoot.
personally i love F1.4, but 50mm is "not here not there", so i not quite like the 50mm focal length.
(i have a afs 28mm f1.8g and af 85mm f1.8d)
haha that is why i'm borrowing a 50mm f1.8D from a friend to try first! I dont want to spend and regret! :bsmilie:
f1.8D is not really one of my options is because i prefer the weather sealing of the f1.8G. Not that I often abuse my equipment, but its a just-in-case thing. ;p And yup, I am keeping my 24-120! :thumbsup:
ChengB
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Definitely agree with that one. But the prime is more to complement the apertures which the 24-120 cannot achieve. I wont be getting rid of it.
Its more of to leave on the f1.8 and walk around with it. Light and small.
It is tempting to go for the 50 f1.4, but then again i keep asking myself whether i even need the f1.4. That's why i settled on the f1.8 eventually to go with my zoom.
50mm is normal view as what one see. I preferred either more zoom or wide......................
What I liked about the 24-120 is it's versatility when shooting event so it really depend on what u want to shoot...................
ChengB
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50mm is normal view as what one see. I preferred either more zoom or wide......................
What I liked about the 24-120 is it's versatility when shooting event so it really depend on what u want to shoot...................
It depends on personal preference i guess. I personally think that 50mm should be fine. Then again, I'll never know, so I'm taking my friend's lens out for a spin to confirm it.
sf_kang
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If I were to carry 2 prime lenses in place of the 24-120, I take the 35/f1.4 and the 85/f1.4. Few steps back with the 35, you get 24mm coverage. Few steps closer, you get 50mm coverage. Same solution with the 85/f1.4; few steps forward and you get 120mm coverage, few steps back, you get 50mm coverage.
This is what I use ony D3s n D700.
Cheers. Fred
This is what I use ony D3s n D700.
Cheers. Fred
ChengB
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Trouble comes when the location does not allow you to take the few steps. :bsmilie:
This might be the setup i'm considering eventually though. Do you have much occasions when you get stuck cos your lens arent wide/zoom enough?
Depend on your needs. If the type of photography you do involve action and speed on your part. A prime shooter may not or will not understand or need the strength and speed of being able to do 24mm to 120mm in split second, while stuck to a position. Likewise a zoom shooter may not or will not understand or need the finesses of shooting primes. A good photographer should choose the right tools for the right job within his means. Photography is always a compromise. You gain something, you loss something. Hard as it may seems to accept, but it is actually way easier to live with the short comings when you are shooting for yourself, versus shooting for customers and failing to deliver the requisite.
Keep the 24-120. Built your prime set slowly.
i personally enjoy the 50mm perspective because, if used right, it can make the viewer feel like they were where the shot was taken. the 50/1.8D is a very good lens, especially for the money; don't feel limited by it. but well.. i guess it's important to be able to 'see' in the focal length. i do well with 24, 50, and 35, but just don't click with 28 or 105mm. try a number of focal lengths, 35 and 50 for sure, and see what suits you.
with regard to other focal lengths, it's sad to see that there are very few good lenses by nikon with AF(that don't cost a bomb). i personally use many AIs prime lenses because they perform much better, and are sometimes cheaper. by using a good focusing screen i get accuracy on par with AF lenses (sometimes better). anyhow, if you're willing to consider AIs lenses, the 24/2.8, 35/2 Nikkor-O, 35/2.8 Nikkor-S, and all the AIs 50s except the series E are great performers; the 24/2.8 and 50/1.2 are probably unmatched (24/2.8 matches the 24-70/2.8 and beats it for distortion control).
tamron also has an older 28-75/2.8 which is good.
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Luminare
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If you do events, there are a host of other considerations but mainly, you need 2 bodies for a start. One body is always on a zoom, the other can be a prime or a zoom.
Obsticles are always a challenge especially human obsticles and that is where a zoom come in handy. Another prime consideration is what style does your client like. Candid shots require the photographer to melt into the crowd and photograph subjects unspected and for me i go all out to try not to interfer with the guests' movement and zoom lens with fast AF allow me to do just that.
Photos in an event when pieced together tell a bigger story of what transpired during the event and capturing natural reactions of emotions and actions is what i am after and it becomes a piece of memory for the client.
When doing portraits, there is ample time to change lens, lighting equipment etc and so far and have not experienced challenges with moving in or out of space to get the shots with a prime lens. However, do be alert of the changing DoF when moving in or out of space when doing so with shallow DoF apertures.
Obsticles are always a challenge especially human obsticles and that is where a zoom come in handy. Another prime consideration is what style does your client like. Candid shots require the photographer to melt into the crowd and photograph subjects unspected and for me i go all out to try not to interfer with the guests' movement and zoom lens with fast AF allow me to do just that.
Photos in an event when pieced together tell a bigger story of what transpired during the event and capturing natural reactions of emotions and actions is what i am after and it becomes a piece of memory for the client.
When doing portraits, there is ample time to change lens, lighting equipment etc and so far and have not experienced challenges with moving in or out of space to get the shots with a prime lens. However, do be alert of the changing DoF when moving in or out of space when doing so with shallow DoF apertures.
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ChengB
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Agree with that. Zooms are always more convenient, but usually at the expense of weight, price and widest aperture. I mainly shoot for myself, with only a couple of simple freelance jobs here and there so I wont have to spend too much time worrying about quality. I happy can already. :bsmilie:
I would definitely bring along a zoom if I were to shoot for an event. Somehow I wont feel secure of just covering an event purely in prime. I'm pretty sure many event photographers feel the same way too. Primes are great, but they usually arent enough unless you have 3 bodies with different focal lengths strapped onto you all at once.
I recently managed to borrow a 50mm f1.8 D from a friend and fell in love with it. Since I have plans to play with film in the future, I think I would get this over the 50 f1.8G. I would like to get my hands on other focal lengths but it seems that I dont know anyone else who has them. Either way it doesnt matter, I think the 50mm is good enough for me!
Pardon my ignorance, but can you explain to me the AIs/AI system? How different are they from the usual lenses that are available? I've tried to find for the answer but I just got more confused. :sweat:
In short, you can only mount AI, AIs, and AI-modified lenses on your D600 where all of these types will function in the exact same manner. you only need to be concerned when you are shooting the FA, F4 and F5 as these require AIs lenses for proper aperture priority and programmed exposure function.
see here too: What is the difference between an AI lens, an AI-S lens, and Non-AI lens?
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/nikonfmount/lens2.htm
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diediealsomustdive
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Ai = Automatic Indexing; i.e. the lens tells the camera what aperture is in place without using additional linkage or action. Came about because Nikon had kept compatibility for a long time with old camera body and lenses. Very old non-Ai lenses mounted on a non-Ai camera needs to go through a procedure to first hook the lens "rabbit ears" with a mechanical link on the camera, then turn the lens aperture to the minimum then back to the maximum to "index" the lens. Very leche.
About the oldest lens you should mount on your D600 are the Ai. Identified by the rabbit ears with holes and secondary aperture reading on the aperture ring.
Ai-mod are older non-Ai lenses that are modified to Ai spec for use on "modern" cameras. You can use Ai-mod lenses as well.
AiS lenses are immediately before AF and some are still available new today.
All the above are manual focus lenses. Some of us (Ben is one) have loads of manual focus lenses. Indeed I use MF more than AF.
MF lenses are like swiss watches, precision made, beautiful to hold and turn, slow to use as the are MF. More durable than AF lenses. Some are as good if not better than AF counter parts. The AF 28mm f/2.8 is one such lens that is way way way inferior to the MF counterpart. Most AF lenses are like Casio watches, functional and great features.
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