Pretty Face Anaz

[eooojj]

Fuji Pro160, CZ CT* Planar 80mm, Processed and scanned at KT Image (did not buy own scanner yet though am eyeing on a discounted Canon 8800 during the coming IT Fair ... but do tell the KT Image not to correct your scan)

what film, lens and scanner did u use?

 

[Draken413o]

Thank you.
No, don't say that...think its because they got nothing bad to say about your photos.
Think many have misread my reaction to the "crop and uncrop" comment by kopiaddict.
Its not because of whether its a valid comment or not.
Its more about the way its being put across (especially to a newbie and from someone i don't consider a pro).
Makes the whole clubsnap environment newbie-non-friendly.
But i shouldn't label the whole Clubsnap just because of one stu#$% Kopiaddict right?
Cheers... and thank you for encouragement,

I think far from it.. I just have uninteresting photos.

 

[flipfreak]

Fuji Pro160, CZ CT* Planar 80mm, Processed and scanned at KT Image (did not buy own scanner yet though am eyeing on a discounted Canon 8800 during the coming IT Fair ... but do tell the KT Image not to correct your scan)

ic. i realise the skintones are abit off for all the pics. wonder whether its the scan, the exposure, the film or your processing (unless u didn't do any pp when u got digital files back).

i usually scan my own film with a epson v500.

 

[mojims]

relax.. don't think too mucha bout the bad comments.. say thank you and learn. =)

At least you get bad comments.. I don't even get comments at all.. not worthy of anything. =(

Same here man... :cry:

 

[astroaquarius]

Put it this way, I treat ClubSNAP forums as THE testing ground for TECHNICAL QC. If I make an unsharp, underexposed, weird pose, PP flaws in a picture, people here CAN spot it AND WILL nail it for you without fail.

When I post it on forums like deviantART. Sometimes I get comments like "Woo, the out of focus effect is cool!". But makes me laugh because sometimes actually it was me who screwed up, and the effect wasn't on purpose. They do give subject, expression, and artistic related opinions. It is also one of those places where a shot made on a phone camera or a compact gets more views and favourites than a shot from a full frame DSLR with expensive lens.

Bottomline, I don't expect layman comments when I post pictures on ClubSNAP. I expect to get wacked, real good. There is no right or wrong style in art. It is all opinions. Picasso's paintings were never popular till he passed away. Even if it is a negative comment, just take it with a grain of salt and see if you could learn something out of it. This is how we all improve and become flawless, isn't it?

 

[Lmodel]

Being Frank = Crude
Being Polite = Hypocrite
Not Posting = Unfriendly

This... is life.

 

[eooojj]

Some things in life is also simpler....

Being insulting = insulting
Being rude = rude
Being unwelcoming = unwelcoming

If anyone still can't read it simply... then he/she is not sharp enough or enjoys deceit.

Being Frank = Crude
Being Polite = Hypocrite
Not Posting = Unfriendly

This... is life.

 

[eooojj]

Yup, thanks.
You just confirm my gut feel that this place is more for technical photography and less for artistic expression...too much right and wrong and golden rule....blah blah blah....
(but I am not saying that there is no art here...)
For some, contort means wrong....for me contort in some manner means sexy.
The Technical cannot accept the oxy-moronic nature of art.
The Technical cannot apprehend what is Beautiful Agony.
To them Beauty is Beauty, Agony is Agony..period.
No pole in head, No contort, no under-expose blah blah blah.
But hey! I might be wrong too....
I want to be open to all opinion...
I do not need all the "Woah" and "Great!" opinion...
BUT certainly NOT Insult or Rude opinion!
Cheers

Put it this way, I treat ClubSNAP forums as THE testing ground for TECHNICAL QC. If I make an unsharp, underexposed, weird pose, PP flaws in a picture, people here CAN spot it AND WILL nail it for you without fail.

When I post it on forums like deviantART. Sometimes I get comments like "Woo, the out of focus effect is cool!". But makes me laugh because sometimes actually it was me who screwed up, and the effect wasn't on purpose. They do give subject, expression, and artistic related opinions. It is also one of those places where a shot made on a phone camera or a compact gets more views and favourites than a shot from a full frame DSLR with expensive lens.

Bottomline, I don't expect layman comments when I post pictures on ClubSNAP. I expect to get wacked, real good. There is no right or wrong style in art. It is all opinions. Picasso's paintings were never popular till he passed away. Even if it is a negative comment, just take it with a grain of salt and see if you could learn something out of it. This is how we all improve and become flawless, isn't it?

 

[nikkie]

#1 has shadowed the subject's face too much. maybe some reflector?
posing is fine for a newbie.
can check out some good portraits for examples in achieving the art-pose-feel.
but i think the colours are something quite refreshing. that's artistic.

a working model would know how to pose naturally for the camera with little coaxing.
the gal here looks like she's doing fine posing for these few snaps.

the chemistry between the photographer and the subject (gal) will be enhanced if you are both comfortable w each other
and can be achieved w more shoots. hey, it's good chance to ask her out for more shooting!

the makeup is... uh... self done right? the eyeliner is like...not precise. work w some practice or else get the bobby brown counter service prior to the shooting session. it's quite affordable and the staff are usually friendly and can provide good help.

 

[eooojj]

Thats a real professional comment+critic!
Thanks alot...will reflect on that for sure.
Cheers,
Ed

#1 has shadowed the subject's face too much. maybe some reflector?
posing is fine for a newbie.
can check out some good portraits for examples in achieving the art-pose-feel.
but i think the colours are something quite refreshing. that's artistic.

a working model would know how to pose naturally for the camera with little coaxing.
the gal here looks like she's doing fine posing for these few snaps.

the chemistry between the photographer and the subject (gal) will be enhanced if you are both comfortable w each other
and can be achieved w more shoots. hey, it's good chance to ask her out for more shooting!

the makeup is... uh... self done right? the eyeliner is like...not precise. work w some practice or else get the bobby brown counter service prior to the shooting session. it's quite affordable and the staff are usually friendly and can provide good help.

 

[eooojj]

Hi FlipFreak,

So what do you think is the reason for the skintones "off"?
Let me know your prediction.
I would love to learn.
Also any good materials to readup or watch to learn about skintones?
Cheers,
Ed

ic. i realise the skintones are abit off for all the pics. wonder whether its the scan, the exposure, the film or your processing (unless u didn't do any pp when u got digital files back).

i usually scan my own film with a epson v500.

 

[soeypixels]

the mascara was smudge and all over below the eye :dunno:

 

[eooojj]

Any other mistake that you can spot?
My shoot is a cheapo one... No assistant, no reflector. No MUA.
Anaz was really sweet and good teamplayer.
Does her own makeup, so appreciative of her.
Yar, good spot...let's see if I can PS away. Thanks.

the mascara was smudge and all over below the eye :dunno:

 

[flipfreak]

Hi FlipFreak,

So what do you think is the reason for the skintones "off"?
Let me know your prediction.
I would love to learn.
Also any good materials to readup or watch to learn about skintones?
Cheers,
Ed

from my limited knowledge, it tends to be more the scanning or your processing. the film plays a part as well although i havent tried the one u used. i prefer using b/w to shoot nowadays. u might need to do some color correction when u get the soft copies back from the lab.

tough to get a good film to shoot portraits nowadays esp on a 120 format.

ps. i took a look again and i think most of the skintones are fine although inconsistent. the first pic has a weird hue to it.

 

[eooojj]

Hi Flipfreak,

Thanks.
Wow! i just saw your portfolio....really really awesome...yet your comments are so humble in tone.
Really hope to be able to learn from you one way or another if possible.
All your shots have this extra "another level" kind of mood....kudos.
Not to mention all the fabulous babes you are working with... ;p;p:bigeyes:;p;p
Are all your shoots in film still? (Since you mentioning about scanner)
Thanks again.
Cheers,
Ed

from my limited knowledge, it tends to be more the scanning or your processing. the film plays a part as well although i havent tried the one u used. i prefer using b/w to shoot nowadays. u might need to do some color correction when u get the soft copies back from the lab.

tough to get a good film to shoot portraits nowadays esp on a 120 format.

ps. i took a look again and i think most of the skintones are fine although inconsistent. the first pic has a weird hue to it.

 

[Microscope]

EdForrest

The top left corner is blocked by something...

 

[night86mare]

hahaha welcome to clubsnap!!!i think u just gota ignore this kind of comment especially coming from those who cannot support what theyre saying w proper portfolio

to be honest, i thought this was not true.

like i always say, food critics don't have to have a repetoire of good dishes to showcase before they can be taken seriously.

that said, the most important thing from someone giving comments is the intention. if they mean well, and are just not out to put you down, or spoil your day just for kicks.. then they should be taken seriously.

the best critics sometimes are the ones not all enamoured with the glamour of "art! anything goes" concept, i.e. the laymen.

 

[night86mare]

What if i think that both the crop and uncrop is nice?
Or the zoom-in other to show the sharpness/clarity that the lens is taking?
Geezzz....how narrow-minded uncreative can one get in this suppose-to-be art-photo forum?

then show us the better one, or at least mention that you wish to know what is better?

there is nothing wrong with posting both, but there is also nothing wrong if people feel puzzled why you are posting both versions!

if you are an "artist", who the heck cares how sharp or clear your lens is? that seems to be only something a gearhead cares about.

 

[night86mare]

maybe you should number your photographs for easier reference.

anyhow, some critique from someone without a "decent portfolio", you can choose to ignore them.

for the first (where she is sitting on a chair-thing), never mind about yellowish skin tones; never mind that bottom left corner has something distracting that you didn't notice when framing. look at how the light falls, it results that the viewer's attention is drawn to her left thigh, because it is a blown highlight. at the same time, the face is in relative shadow. light is an important tool to convey what you intend to showcase, use it, not let it work against you.

for the second; i find the crop much better, the uncropped version feels unbalanced, showcases a distorted limb (not that important, but it's disconcerting). not sure if that flaw in makeup under her left eye is intended, but it's there, i thought i should mention it.

for the third, i quite like it other than the fact that it is obviously tilted - possibly acceptable but i shoot landscapes most of the time, tilts stick out like a sore thumb to me. i'm not sure if the vignetting is natural or added, but i don't like it, it's too controlled for any positive effect.

as for the last of her lying on the stairs, i'm not sure why you included the bottom in the uncropped version. the cropped version resolves this for sure, but i would prefer this to be taken at an angle, it would definitely strengthen the composition.

hope these aren't too technical or unartistic, i am not an artist. cheers.

 

[night86mare]

btw, i am seeing this differently in firefox and safari,

please check your color settings.