Post processing films?


Scandiacus

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Hi, I was wondering if there are people who post process developed and scanned films...like improving contrast and increasing blacks or most people don't and just leave it as it is?

Sort of wanting to enhance my shots but...I feel that it's like losing the purpose of shooting film already =/

Most of my shots are okay greyish as I don't develop my own films (wish I know how to) but send them to labs.
 

Hi, I was wondering if there are people who post process developed and scanned films...like improving contrast and increasing blacks or most people don't and just leave it as it is?

Sort of wanting to enhance my shots but...I feel that it's like losing the purpose of shooting film already =/

Most of my shots are okay greyish as I don't develop my own films (wish I know how to) but send them to labs.

Before computers, we did the same things in the darkroom as you do now in lightroom or Photoshop, dodging, burning, using different grades of paper for contrast, sharpening. It's a lot more convenient now and less painful. You can now crtl-z and undo all your mistakes. In the past, the mistakes are permanent. 8hrs in a darkroom and all I had to show is one print....
 

Hi, I was wondering if there are people who post process developed and scanned films...like improving contrast and increasing blacks or most people don't and just leave it as it is?

Sort of wanting to enhance my shots but...I feel that it's like losing the purpose of shooting film already =/

Most of my shots are okay greyish as I don't develop my own films (wish I know how to) but send them to labs.

I rarely post process image just because i'm lazy :D

Take a look at all the photos, there has been always post-processing either by analog or digital technique. I believe almost all photographers use it. Even book publishers adjust photos sometimes.

Let's talk about scanned images. Think about these:
+ 2 scanners most likely give you 2 images with tonal difference. So which one is the "original"?
+ With the same scanner, 2 scan software also give you 2 different images -> there is always certain level of post process done by either scanner hardware/software.
+ When you scan the image, you can adjust the scanner parameters -> what is the difference between contrast/exposure adjustment in scanner software and photoshop after that? Even when you are using default software param, you let the computer do the adjustment for you.

IMHO, i only categorize: digital workflow and analog workflow. By saying "analog", I don't mean that there is no post-processing. Film photographers have been using many technique to post process for dozen decades: adjust chemicals, change print time, dodge and burn, using filters, etc.

By scanning the film, it is undeniable that we convert the photo to digital image. It is like taking picture of your film using a digital sensor. If you don't like digital at all, learn and do analog workflow.

In short, if you care about the result, do whatever you CAN for the final product. If you care about the "joy in the process", do whatever you LIKE to do :thumbsup:
 

Hi, I was wondering if there are people who post process developed and scanned films...like improving contrast and increasing blacks or most people don't and just leave it as it is?

Sort of wanting to enhance my shots but...I feel that it's like losing the purpose of shooting film already =/

Most of my shots are okay greyish as I don't develop my own films (wish I know how to) but send them to labs.

No one said that if you use film you cannot post process your shots.. film like digital, is a medium.

As pointed out earlier, before digital, people sweat it out in the darkroom to post-process their pictures.. With the convenience digital technology brings about, having a film-digital hybrid work flow does make some sense. If you feel that having a film-digital hybrid work flow dilutes the meaning of shooting film, then perhaps you aren't too sure why you are shooting film and what you want out of it. Maybe you should ponder more about that.;)

Whether you choose to do your "post-processing" during production of the images (using push development to improve contrast, akin to pumping up the saturation/contrast on a digital sensor) or post production (be it in darkroom or lightroom;)) is entirely to your preference. There is no right or wrong.. depends on what kind of output you want and how hard working you are.:)

Most would go for post production kind of post processing as it gives better and consistent results albeit with more effort. If so, then you should not push process your films. When enhancing images (esp for film scanned images), its best to work with a lower contrast image to avoid rapid clipping of the highlights and shadows and over saturation of colours (due to the limited dynamic range of the sensor).

The issues with scanned images that Srono brought up are indeed valid points for negative films, particularly colour negs. It is nearly impossible to tell what the correct image is supposed to look like on your negs, might be possible to tell for BW negs but near impossible for colour negs. But if you have scanned as much films as I have, then I guess experience does help in determining how the 'original' image is supposed to look like.

By right, as the photographer, you should already know what the original looks like in your memory. The whole point of photography is to record scenes in life and the world and in that sense, your film image should more or less depict the scene the way you saw it in the viewfinder when you released the shutter. Many amateur photographers brought up in the digital era fall into the trap of letting the camera be in control of them when it really should be the photographer in control of his camera. Contrast this to a scanning operator who doesn't know what the real scene is like, its much harder for him to adjust the parameters to get an accurate depiction.

Also on the topic of scanners and its associated software, there will definitely be variations in output. However, generally, the higher up you go, both the hardware and software will give less variation in output, allowing for more consistent neutral results. I have owned a high end flatbed once, but even that cannot give consistent results all the time so I do understand where Srono is coming from. As I always like to point out, when it comes to film scanning, it really depends on your expectations and budget. It ranges from cheap inconsistent results to expensive consistent accurate results and somewhere in the middle, most people try to find a point where they can maximise their results according to their budget.

For me, I always strive to produce neutral scanned images. When you look at it, the original scanned image usually looks lacklustre, but its gives the most headroom when doing post processing. Not sure if you understand this now, but once you start doing it, I'm sure you'll understand what I mean...

Just my 2 cents worth, hope it help you along your journey..
 

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In short, if you care about the result, do whatever you CAN for the final product. If you care about the "joy in the process", do whatever you LIKE to do

I see..thank you for the heads up! :D

No one said that if you use film you cannot post process your shots.. film like digital, is a medium.

As pointed out earlier, before digital, people sweat it out in the darkroom to post-process their pictures.. With the convenience digital technology brings about, having a film-digital hybrid work flow does make some sense. If you feel that having a film-digital hybrid work flow dilutes the meaning of shooting film, then perhaps you aren't too sure why you are shooting film and what you want out of it. Maybe you should ponder more about that.;)

Whether you choose to do your "post-processing" during production of the images (using push development to improve contrast, akin to pumping up the saturation/contrast on a digital sensor) or post production (be it in darkroom or lightroom;)) is entirely to your preference. There is no right or wrong.. depends on what kind of output you want and how hard working you are.:)

Most would go for post production kind of post processing as it gives better and consistent results albeit with more effort. If so, then you should not push process your films. When enhancing images (esp for film scanned images), its best to work with a lower contrast image to avoid rapid clipping of the highlights and shadows and over saturation of colours (due to the limited dynamic range of the sensor).

The issues with scanned images that Srono brought up are indeed valid points for negative films, particularly colour negs. It is nearly impossible to tell what the correct image is supposed to look like on your negs, might be possible to tell for BW negs but near impossible for colour negs. But if you have scanned as much films as I have, then I guess experience does help in determining how the 'original' image is supposed to look like.

By right, as the photographer, you should already know what the original looks like in your memory. The whole point of photography is to record scenes in life and the world and in that sense, your film image should more or less depict the scene the way you saw it in the viewfinder when you released the shutter. Many amateur photographers brought up in the digital era fall into the trap of letting the camera be in control of them when it really should be the photographer in control of his camera. Contrast this to a scanning operator who doesn't know what the real scene is like, its much harder for him to adjust the parameters to get an accurate depiction.

Also on the topic of scanners and its associated software, there will definitely be variations in output. However, generally, the higher up you go, both the hardware and software will give less variation in output, allowing for more consistent neutral results. I have owned a high end flatbed once, but even that cannot give consistent results all the time so I do understand where Srono is coming from. As I always like to point out, when it comes to film scanning, it really depends on your expectations and budget. It ranges from cheap inconsistent results to expensive consistent accurate results and somewhere in the middle, most people try to find a point where they can maximise their results according to their budget.

For me, I always strive to produce neutral scanned images. When you look at it, the original scanned image usually looks lacklustre, but its gives the most headroom when doing post processing. Not sure if you understand this now, but once you start doing it, I'm sure you'll understand what I mean...

Just my 2 cents worth, hope it help you along your journey..

Thank you for your insight! Since I've started film a month ago, I'e been feeling something good towards film, a feeling which I don't really know how to explain. Like there's a feeling of satisfaction from loading the film to collecting my developed film.

Though what I want more is more contrast and punch to my pictures, maybe one day I'll learn to develop myself. I'm still quite new to film but I'm sure I won't give up film! :D
 

My 2 cents as well.

I shoot film and digital. All of them will be archived in digital format. I want my final product to always look presentable to my audience, be it friends or family. In order to achieve that, i find it nearly impossible to not post process my pictures.

Personally, I dont see what is there to criticise about post processing. Im quite certain for photography, to some extent, we all want our pictures to be appreciated by others. Thus, to me, it is inevitable that I pp my pictures so that i can bring out what i feel are the best mood, colors etc that can make my pictures, well..., to me, look good.

An analogy i can come up with to speak my point is assuming human beings akin to pictures. When we are outside, for whatever occasions, we try to make ourselves look presentable. Dress up, makeup, plastic surgery etc, in order to look our best. I believe most photographers will pp their pictures in order to present it at its best.

Oh, and to the question of pp-ing film, once again, yes i do pp them, but not as some of the more senior members here said, the ancient way of pp in the darkroom. After collecting the film from the lab, i take it to a good friend i trust to scan, after which all my scanned files goes to Lightroom 3 for pp =D

Dont ask me why I might just as well shoot all digital and pp them, I dont know the answer.
 

Dont ask me why I might just as well shoot all digital and pp them, I dont know the answer.

I think this question is a very critical question to film photographers in this era.. I believe the TS is abit confused because of this qn too.. All I can say is that if you manage to find your answer to this, you will either continue shooting film and know why you are doing so or go back to digital.. haha.. I definitely have found mine;)
 

May be you can try on revesal film. After processing, project on screen. If you need also can pp. but is pre processing, cc filter/grd/ pola/ masking(usually on large format).
You can do post processing too. Colour retourching on you slide or print using colour dye. Cibachrome print/dye transfer print/photoshp .......it makes my hobby more colourfull.:)
btw inkjet and photo paper do feel differently.
 

I do quite abit of post processing in Light Room 3 as well for my films.

Previously I have done a lot of pushing of Tri-X 400 to 1600 (the only film I use...) but now I have stopped that & just shoot at 400. Only push when I got no choice.

Previously when pushing to 1600, I love the contrast/kopi o kao blacks but after awhile, it is really hard to post process the pictures.

These days, I shoot just on Tri-X 400 straight & process at 400, pictures after scanning come out flat, washed out gray scale but when a lot of details, that is when I will import the pictures into LR3 & "heavy" processing is done to get it to the way I want the picture to be to bring out the mood ;)
 

Wow...I'm quite surprised at the number of people that does PP on film, I always thought that the tones (rich blacks and contrasty) that I always admire are strictly done in camera and during developing.

I guess for now I'll PP a bit to get the tones I want until I try my hands on developing and playing around with filters.

Thank you everyone for sharing your insight and experience! :D
 

there's nothing right or wrong... myself, i'm too lazy processing digital pics so I'd rather shoot film! :bsmilie:
 

Wow...I'm quite surprised at the number of people that does PP on film, I always thought that the tones (rich blacks and contrasty) that I always admire are strictly done in camera and during developing.

I guess for now I'll PP a bit to get the tones I want until I try my hands on developing and playing around with filters.

Thank you everyone for sharing your insight and experience! :D

Yep, do PP on your pictures, nothing wrong with it.

I guess we all use LR3 or some other editing software because no one has the space or $$ at home to set up a dark room. Also, digital editing less destructive la.. heehee, can undo & redo until you shoik.

For color film, I believe most of the guys here PP as well. Different color films tend to give of color cast when we scan it. Generally Kodak gives me warm & Fuji cool cast. Only way to correct that is to PP in photo editing software ;)
 

If you get your photos done at a minilab, basic corrections are usually done - unless you request them not to, or the operator lazy.
Results can be operator dependent, so I always liked to get the same operator to do it for consistent results, but after a while I was operating the minilab myself.
 

Wow...I'm quite surprised at the number of people that does PP on film, I always thought that the tones (rich blacks and contrasty) that I always admire are strictly done in camera and during developing.

I guess for now I'll PP a bit to get the tones I want until I try my hands on developing and playing around with filters.

Thank you everyone for sharing your insight and experience! :D

well once you get round to developing, you can also start physically controlling contrast (apart from pushing film in camera, sharpness, grain, speed as well. for example, diafine (developer) get you speed and very flat contrast (you can rate TriX at 1600) to open up shadows (like PS) or rodinal, for less speed (rating Tri X at 200-320) but great old skool (large) grain and sharpness, or microfine, rated speed but almost non existent grain for a almost digital look, and even pyro, which is a staining developer, sharp as heck and toxic to boot with great midtones and liquid fog/haze/cloud effects

You can play with dense or thin negatives, vary timing & temperature, add sulfite/Vitamin C/Boric acid to create different effects. loads of fun, fun things to dabble in: this is my area of interest in this hobby.

then a very light touch at PP to straighten, crop, dodge & burn, vignette and levels to round it all off.

so what I am saying is that without a darkroom, you will eventually have to "PP" these days. with all these tools, its tough to be completely purist anyways....
 

well once you get round to developing, you can also start physically controlling contrast (apart from pushing film in camera, sharpness, grain, speed as well. for example, diafine (developer) get you speed and very flat contrast (you can rate TriX at 1600) to open up shadows (like PS) or rodinal, for less speed (rating Tri X at 200-320) but great old skool (large) grain and sharpness, or microfine, rated speed but almost non existent grain for a almost digital look, and even pyro, which is a staining developer, sharp as heck and toxic to boot with great midtones and liquid fog/haze/cloud effects

You can play with dense or thin negatives, vary timing & temperature, add sulfite/Vitamin C/Boric acid to create different effects. loads of fun, fun things to dabble in: this is my area of interest in this hobby.

then a very light touch at PP to straighten, crop, dodge & burn, vignette and levels to round it all off.

so what I am saying is that without a darkroom, you will eventually have to "PP" these days. with all these tools, its tough to be completely purist anyways....

I have yet to explore the world of developing but it sounds really exciting! :D

Just waiting for holidays now so my friend can bring me to SAFRA...
 

Previously when pushing to 1600, I love the contrast/kopi o kao blacks but after awhile, it is really hard to post process the pictures.

These days, I shoot just on Tri-X 400 straight & process at 400, pictures after scanning come out flat, washed out gray scale but when a lot of details, that is when I will import the pictures into LR3 & "heavy" processing is done to get it to the way I want the picture to be to bring out the mood ;)

Yeah! Pushing gives you almost instant ''PP'' on the contrast, which I love too. :D

Wow...I'm quite surprised at the number of people that does PP on film, I always thought that the tones (rich blacks and contrasty) that I always admire are strictly done in camera and during developing.

I guess for now I'll PP a bit to get the tones I want until I try my hands on developing and playing around with filters.

Thank you everyone for sharing your insight and experience! :D

To TS, continue shooting at the rated speed of film, till you get the hang of the 'look' and feel of the film. After a few rolls, try out the same film, but push it. Keep the same process, and see if you like the difference. From here you can decide if you still like to process the 'flat grey tones' that Royale W/Cheese talks about.

For me, the main love about film is the grain. Its a kinda kick I think Morphine gives :bsmilie:
 

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