Ongoing thread to get a particular look...
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Ralph Gibson uses 10ml of Rodinal for 1 roll of Tri-X 400,
he develops it for 11 mins at 20c.
I did 20ml for 600ml water for 02 rolls at 5.5mins at 30c.
the grains are a little harsh, but sharper than Stand Development for 20mins.
the following image has been "curve" adjusted in PP for contrast and brightness.
a 100% crop is also added:
RG likes to Overexpose and overdevelop his negatives,
this produces a rich negative as a starting point, he
then post-process the negatives in the darkroom.
The above was exposed at 400iso, my next test is to do a 200iso Tri-X
and then to compare the grains.
raytoei
he develops it for 11 mins at 20c.
I did 20ml for 600ml water for 02 rolls at 5.5mins at 30c.
the grains are a little harsh, but sharper than Stand Development for 20mins.
the following image has been "curve" adjusted in PP for contrast and brightness.
a 100% crop is also added:
RG likes to Overexpose and overdevelop his negatives,
this produces a rich negative as a starting point, he
then post-process the negatives in the darkroom.
The above was exposed at 400iso, my next test is to do a 200iso Tri-X
and then to compare the grains.
raytoei
well my 2 boxes of harvey 777 arrived today.
this is a cultish-developer where HCB and the whole
crew at magnum would use it as their secret
formula. there is much debate whether this IS
the 777 that was originally used.
i quickly mixed 700ml of water at the stated 125F (51C)
with the 4 chemicals, Metol, Sodium sulfite,
Paraphenylene Diamine and Glycin...
and then i added the the last 300ml of water and mixed it together.
At first there was a lot of residue and floating white bits, i stirred
until everything was dissolved (to my eye).
the liquid was a light brown color, a bit like very diluted apple juice.
at around 42C, i was contemplating whether to try my luck at
development or not...afterall 777 was labelled Panthermic,
ie, little or no effect of temp to the development.
i has a roll of Neopan 100SS and Fomapan 400 (exposed at 200). I decided that
i would try my luck at 7mins at 42C(!), since this was the first roll, i expected
the solution to be "unripen".
i did a one minute agitation, and 5 agitation every minute thereafter.
water bath, fix, wash.....
the negatives are drying in the open, subject to the dusty confines of my room.
from my eye, the negatives look very dense, ie. overdeveloped, especially
the neopan 100ss, the fomapan looked overdeveloped but i could still see shadows.
will scan and post some pictures in a couple of hours.
raytoei
this is a cultish-developer where HCB and the whole
crew at magnum would use it as their secret
formula. there is much debate whether this IS
the 777 that was originally used.
i quickly mixed 700ml of water at the stated 125F (51C)
with the 4 chemicals, Metol, Sodium sulfite,
Paraphenylene Diamine and Glycin...
and then i added the the last 300ml of water and mixed it together.
At first there was a lot of residue and floating white bits, i stirred
until everything was dissolved (to my eye).
the liquid was a light brown color, a bit like very diluted apple juice.
at around 42C, i was contemplating whether to try my luck at
development or not...afterall 777 was labelled Panthermic,
ie, little or no effect of temp to the development.
i has a roll of Neopan 100SS and Fomapan 400 (exposed at 200). I decided that
i would try my luck at 7mins at 42C(!), since this was the first roll, i expected
the solution to be "unripen".
i did a one minute agitation, and 5 agitation every minute thereafter.
water bath, fix, wash.....
the negatives are drying in the open, subject to the dusty confines of my room.
from my eye, the negatives look very dense, ie. overdeveloped, especially
the neopan 100ss, the fomapan looked overdeveloped but i could still see shadows.
will scan and post some pictures in a couple of hours.
raytoei
okay....
a couple of observations first.
i had a hardtime scanning the negatives, as the v700 scanner
could not determine the framesize. i had to scan strips and
then use PS to cut and paste individual frames.
I am not sure if this is due to the developer as the film looked
like it was stained wth a brown tan OR it was because my
recently acquired Pentax MX with 50/f1.7 is acting up.
42C and 7 mins is way too long for the negatives. This resulted
in the fomapan 400 having grains which were, in my eyes, too
big. The Neopan 100ss, which is like Plus-x had slightly better
grains.
this experiment is too short to jump to any conclusions because
I shot using shallow dof so the resultant blur could be
exaggerated by grains. Nevertheless, I poured the solution back
into the 1lite container (with the 400ml remaining) and I will
continue to use the same solution to develop more and take
notes further. I will probably try 30c (the tap water temp)
and 10mins tomorrow when i try out a couple of film
to develop.
all images were adjusted for contrast, brightness, i also
used Exposure 4 to play with mid-tone, highlights
and shadows.
Fomapan 400
Neopan 100SS
Neopan 100SS
Neopan 100SS
A note about grains, my agitation is actually quite slow
so the grain size is probably due to high temp development.
raytoei
a couple of observations first.
i had a hardtime scanning the negatives, as the v700 scanner
could not determine the framesize. i had to scan strips and
then use PS to cut and paste individual frames.
I am not sure if this is due to the developer as the film looked
like it was stained wth a brown tan OR it was because my
recently acquired Pentax MX with 50/f1.7 is acting up.
42C and 7 mins is way too long for the negatives. This resulted
in the fomapan 400 having grains which were, in my eyes, too
big. The Neopan 100ss, which is like Plus-x had slightly better
grains.
this experiment is too short to jump to any conclusions because
I shot using shallow dof so the resultant blur could be
exaggerated by grains. Nevertheless, I poured the solution back
into the 1lite container (with the 400ml remaining) and I will
continue to use the same solution to develop more and take
notes further. I will probably try 30c (the tap water temp)
and 10mins tomorrow when i try out a couple of film
to develop.
all images were adjusted for contrast, brightness, i also
used Exposure 4 to play with mid-tone, highlights
and shadows.
Fomapan 400
Neopan 100SS
Neopan 100SS
Neopan 100SS
A note about grains, my agitation is actually quite slow
so the grain size is probably due to high temp development.
raytoei
today i developed another 2 more rolls of fomapan 400
one at ei of 400 and the other at ei of 200.
i timed it at 10mins at my room temp which is 30c.
observation: negatives are over developed at ei 400
and very developed at ei 200 (could be very exposed as well
as i was shooting the summarit 1.5 wide open).
The negatives still looked stained but the issue of the scanner
not able to recognize the frame spacing is gone, even
though i am using the same camera for one of the rolls previously.
i prefer the grain structure here compared to fomapan with rodinal.
the grains are still huge as it is developed at higher temp (30c here).
here are some samples, taken in the past 24hours:
Pentax MX, ei 400
here is one which was exposed at ei of 200 or ei of 100,
Summarit 1.5 with the M4
next stop is 8mins at 30c with
fomapan 400 at ei of 400 and 200.
I have 4 x 100ft reels.
good time to get curious
raytoei
one at ei of 400 and the other at ei of 200.
i timed it at 10mins at my room temp which is 30c.
observation: negatives are over developed at ei 400
and very developed at ei 200 (could be very exposed as well
as i was shooting the summarit 1.5 wide open).
The negatives still looked stained but the issue of the scanner
not able to recognize the frame spacing is gone, even
though i am using the same camera for one of the rolls previously.
i prefer the grain structure here compared to fomapan with rodinal.
the grains are still huge as it is developed at higher temp (30c here).
here are some samples, taken in the past 24hours:
Pentax MX, ei 400
here is one which was exposed at ei of 200 or ei of 100,
Summarit 1.5 with the M4
next stop is 8mins at 30c with
fomapan 400 at ei of 400 and 200.
I have 4 x 100ft reels.
good time to get curious
raytoei
Riotbmx
Senior Member
Maybe your next experiment is to shoot @12,800
http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/34211301@N00/3751451952/
http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/34211301@N00/3751451952/
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