Of course they can. It's part of their T&C
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Of course they can. It's part of their T&C
greenieadi
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We need to stop dreaming. Every now and then, pricing typo mistakes do occur. If business always must honour such mistakes then no to do business at all.
Let's not pounce on such mistakes. T&C apply.
I'm mean we know when it's too good to be true, it most like is not.
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ricleo
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And they have not charged your credit card, so every right to cancel the deal. Amazon only charges your card on shipment.
Actually they should sell it at the stated price. So far no one has tested this in the Courts.
When they offer you a price, you accepted. The contract is made.
Whether the price is high or low is not the point.
Putting all kinds of stuff in T&C may not help them. For example, a company cannot put into T&C, conditions that over-ride and flout the country's laws.
At least one shop in 2nd or 3rd sty of Peninsula Plaza did that to try and escape the Lemon Law. One day they are going to get it from a customer who complains to the law ministry.
If it's a mistake, the law does not require the seller to honor the incorrect price. The law is fair. (At least it's supposed to be)
http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110856&p=474539#post474539
http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110856&p=474539#post474539
kei1309
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That sort of contract is not binding unless you cough up the dough first. The price is just an offer to purchase.
Clicking "I'm interested" in a pre-order without payment isn't a done deal
Yes it's been tested numerous times in the courts. The shops won, especially since the T&C cover it. Take your wanna-be knowledge of fantasy world law elsewhere.
marcphotosg
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Don't get me wrong, I love Zeiss, and I LOVE swirly bokeh, but ****, for a $5k lens, the bokeh should be nicer @ 1.4 (even with subject distance considered).... I'm gonna stick with my 50APO (although it's at Leica for the flare issue, and it's been there awfully long already).
For those considering between A7 and A7r, DP Reviews "user experience" review says this
After shooting several hundred images on our trip with Sony in Tennessee, I found far fewer sharp-focus images from my α7 shooting than from the α7R. Other editors had the same trouble, at least one declaring she had no sharp shots from the α7, while the α7R was fine. Most of the trouble I found was when shooting with the 28-70mm OSS lens, so I switched to the 35mm F2.8 just to get a few more sharp images as we walked around Rock City. I got much better, in-focus images with the 35mm and 55mm lenses.
I haven't had time to pit the two cameras against each other to see if there's a real problem with the kit lens, but there's no question the α7's images are different from the α7R in other ways as well. The α7's JPEG images are more heavily processed with Sony's overaggressive anti-noise strategies. What should be soft bokeh is too often re-rendered as something that looks more like paintbrush strokes than a simple out-of-focus area. We'll be looking in more depth at this in the coming weeks.
After shooting several hundred images on our trip with Sony in Tennessee, I found far fewer sharp-focus images from my α7 shooting than from the α7R. Other editors had the same trouble, at least one declaring she had no sharp shots from the α7, while the α7R was fine. Most of the trouble I found was when shooting with the 28-70mm OSS lens, so I switched to the 35mm F2.8 just to get a few more sharp images as we walked around Rock City. I got much better, in-focus images with the 35mm and 55mm lenses.
I haven't had time to pit the two cameras against each other to see if there's a real problem with the kit lens, but there's no question the α7's images are different from the α7R in other ways as well. The α7's JPEG images are more heavily processed with Sony's overaggressive anti-noise strategies. What should be soft bokeh is too often re-rendered as something that looks more like paintbrush strokes than a simple out-of-focus area. We'll be looking in more depth at this in the coming weeks.
ricleo
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very interesting....
the A7 with PDAF AF's poorer than the A7R.
the A7R with micro-offset lenses and specific image processing to combat false color, color cast etc has poorer UWA performance with legacy RF lenses.
seems like real life is opposite of the marketing? need more reviews to show up. I shall also try to take note of the AF accuracy and speed during the hands-on session this saturday. looks like my decision between A7 kit vs A7 body vs A7R needs reassessment.
the A7 with PDAF AF's poorer than the A7R.
the A7R with micro-offset lenses and specific image processing to combat false color, color cast etc has poorer UWA performance with legacy RF lenses.
seems like real life is opposite of the marketing? need more reviews to show up. I shall also try to take note of the AF accuracy and speed during the hands-on session this saturday. looks like my decision between A7 kit vs A7 body vs A7R needs reassessment.
guseliz
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This is an interesting find out.
wondering if the JPEG images have a significant difference if the NR is off than what mentioned above.
guseliz
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Bro, may i know how do you come to this conclusion?
is there any reference/test i can refer?
Thanks
guseliz
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upss. i didn't know actually the statement above come from the AF comparison between A7 & A7R section
ok now hopefully someone able to test the AF accuracy for tomorrow hands-on session and report in here
Thanks
Played around with both the A7/A7R at the Sony Store at Sha Tin (yes I was bored as I woke up too early before the flight).
The cameras are incredibly light and I really like the dial and button layout. Shutter sounds and feels very clunky and it's different from the rapid snap snap snap I'm used on my NEX-7.
AF on the A7 is much better in the shop. The shop is dimly lit.
Unfortunately they had no units for walk-ins. So I could only stare at the folks doing pre-order pick ups.
The cameras are incredibly light and I really like the dial and button layout. Shutter sounds and feels very clunky and it's different from the rapid snap snap snap I'm used on my NEX-7.
AF on the A7 is much better in the shop. The shop is dimly lit.
Unfortunately they had no units for walk-ins. So I could only stare at the folks doing pre-order pick ups.
Read again. The A7 AF issues seemed to be due to the lens. Once they switched lenses it was much better.
The offset micro- lenses ARE NOT to "combat false color, color cast etc" - rather, they are there to combat vignetting and edge distortion, and so far that seems to be the case.
Alamak.
Wow. Was banking on the a7. Hope this is due to beta firmware
Thoth
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Tomm' testing will b on post production sets I hope. Looking forward.
ricleo
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perhaps you should read again too. The commentary on better performance when lenses switched was on AF accuracy. but for AF speed, the dpreview comments are extracted below.
"I was impressed with both cameras' performance in low light. As I mentioned, I got better autofocus in low light from the α7R, but image quality from both was very good in low light, such that I had no trouble letting the camera's ISO rise to 6400."
"After shooting with the α7 and α7R for some time, I preferred the α7R for its faster, more reliable autofocus and better images overall. Naturally, I wanted to prefer the α7, with its lower-res 24MP sensor and lower price."
Micro-lense wise i can't comment much anyway. shall test it myself on saturday using a CV 15mm 4.5.
"I was impressed with both cameras' performance in low light. As I mentioned, I got better autofocus in low light from the α7R, but image quality from both was very good in low light, such that I had no trouble letting the camera's ISO rise to 6400."
"After shooting with the α7 and α7R for some time, I preferred the α7R for its faster, more reliable autofocus and better images overall. Naturally, I wanted to prefer the α7, with its lower-res 24MP sensor and lower price."
Micro-lense wise i can't comment much anyway. shall test it myself on saturday using a CV 15mm 4.5.
Thoth
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Another review showing CV15 works fine on A7 but NOT A7R and M..
"Ultra-wide-angle lenses can also be an issue. Some lenses of this type can display a color shift in the corners when mounted on digital cameras. I had one of these, the thread mount version of the Voigtlander Super-Wide-Heliar 15mm f/4.5, on hand and ran a quick comparison shot with the Leica M, Alpha 7, and Alpha 7R. Both the M and the 7R showed magenta color in the corners where there should be none, but the 24-megapixel Alpha 7 didn't exhibit shift."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2426755,00.asp
U going for 11am session too? Seeya there...
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