Official Sony A7 or A7r discussion thread

[ageha]

Sony HK really good pre-order deal:

Price: HK$16,990 (about 2,700 SGD)
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I think Sony SG will just give McDonald's vouchers. Or maybe offer to buy a mobile battery pack or some weird stuff.

Forget McDonald's, they will throw in a free Lens Guidebook and a Sony Digital Workshop as goodies.

 

[tsammyc]

Apparently, this is another professional photographer who prefers the RX10.

This is the review, making the RX10 looks really attractive (also click on A7 and A7R review that she has used for a week):

The RX10 is the RX100II with a better lens in a much bigger package. In fact, because the RX100 is at F1.8 wide open, it's actually more capable than the RX10 in low light and for landscape. The RX10 is a good solution for those needing low light telephoto though, where the RX100 goes to F4.9.

However, given the massive size difference between the RX10 and RX100II, I don't think I'll be buying it.

I've always found the RX100 to produce DSLR image quality in a tiny package and it has to be one of the inventions of this decade

 

[Rashkae]

The RX10 is the RX100II with a better lens in a much bigger package. In fact, because the RX100 is at F1.8 wide open, it's actually more capable than the RX10 in low light and for landscape. The RX10 is a good solution for those needing low light telephoto though, where the RX100 goes to F4.9.

However, given the massive size difference between the RX10 and RX100II, I don't think I'll be buying it.

I've always found the RX100 to produce DSLR image quality in a tiny package and it has to be one of the inventions of this decade

Sorry, but your idea that it's better for landscape because the aperture goes up to 1.8 shows how little you know about landscape photography.

 

[ageha]

Sharpness in real life usage may not solely rely on the technical specs of the camera. Most users of D800E with 36mp finds it challenging to produce consistent and really sharp photos, and majority of the technically sharp photos were produced in a studio environment with tripod and stationery objects, or landscape shots with tripod. This feedback is quite consistent from skilled photographers with steady hands, and thus making the 36mp not very practical in real life (if you are hoping for the super sharpness in every shots).

This is probably a good camera for landscape shots with tripod mounted, and a good camera for users with good patience and rock steady hands as good as tripod, as any slight movement will create bigger lost of details than other camera due to it high resolution. It will also be more demanding on the lenses used, as only highest resolving lens can optimise the 36mp resolution, just like the D800E, when only a few lenses are capable of matching the sensor.

It will be a lot easier for a RX1R to take a sharper shot (in real life use) as 24mp is more than sufficient for day to day shots, with a custom Zeiss f2 lens that matches the sensor.

Here's a good review of RX10, A7 and A7R.

Apparently, this is another professional photographer who prefers the RX10.

This is the review, making the RX10 looks really attractive (also click on A7 and A7R review that she has used for a week):
http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/...s=sony+RX10+image+gallery+fantastic+ultrazoom

The photos are not appealing.

 

[tsammyc]

Sorry, but your idea that it's better for landscape because the aperture goes up to 1.8 shows how little you know about landscape photography.

You're right, but about me making a simple mistake and not how little I know about landscape photography. Nonetheless, I will take your derision in stride and just assume you had a bad day.

The RX100 is still and excellent camera for landscape

 

[tsammyc]

If currently you do not have rf lenses, you might want to wait for Zeiss' mf lenses in E-mount. These will have the advantage of having the Exif data transmitted to the camera. Since Zeiss will be designing these mf lenses for the A7/A7R, issues with colour shifts and smearing will be solved. Zeiss and Sony might work together to provide in-camera correction for these lenses. Moreover, there is no need to use an adapter, since these will be native E-mount lenses.
N S Ng

For me, the bigger reason to buy e-mount Zeiss RF glass would be that adapters are not machined very well according to lensrentals analysis

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters

While I still love the results from adapting M-mount lenses from Zeiss and VG, none of my Kipon adapters allow for perfect infinity focus, so I wouldn't assume that the lens is well aligned with the adapter. I think the tolerances of the adapter is actually a bigger worry than the EXIF data. I've always wished that Sony itself would sell an adapter for M-mount like Panasonic or Fuji do for their cameras rather than have to rely on these china-made adapters. The other thing to note is that while the Zeiss and Leica RF lenses are small, they are quite heavy, so it's possible that FE mount lenses like the 55 1.8 might be lighter despite being bigger. Lastly, UWA Zeiss glass is prohibitively expensive. The Zeiss 15mm 2.8 is USD4,600, about 10x the Voightlander price so even if it comes corrected FE mount, I still won't be able to afford it. Perhaps, they will make a FE mount Touit 12mm.

 

[liuels]

it the demo in sony center now?

 

[ageha]

it the demo in sony center now?

Of course not. Maybe at tcc Wisam on Saturday.

 

[Thoth]

Of course not. Maybe at tcc Wisam on Saturday.

Looking forward.

 

[tsammyc]

Anyone thinking of pairing the A7r with the Otus 55 1.4? That would pair the best sensor with a "perfect" lens. Zeiss is supposed be making the Otus in A-mount, but so far I've only seen the Nikon and Canon mounts on pre-order. The LA-EA3 will be the one to go for since the Otus is manual focus and the translucent mirror on the LA-EA4 may reduce the pristine image quality and autofocus is not possible. I wouldn't go with any Canon or Nikon adapters given the greater chance of imperfection. Cost in USD would be just under USD7K, but I wonder if the LA-EA3 will make the setup unwieldy.

 

[ageha]

Anyone thinking of pairing the A7r with the Otus 55 1.4? That would pair the best sensor with a "perfect" lens. Zeiss is supposed be making the Otus in A-mount, but so far I've only seen the Nikon and Canon mounts on pre-order. The LA-EA3 will be the one to go for since the Otus is manual focus and the translucent mirror on the LA-EA4 may reduce the pristine image quality and autofocus is not possible. I wouldn't go with any Canon or Nikon adapters given the greater chance of imperfection. Cost in USD would be just under USD7K, but I wonder if the LA-EA3 will make the setup unwieldy.

It will be a nicely balanced combo.

 

[ayuready]

Anyone thinking of pairing the A7r with the Otus 55 1.4? That would pair the best sensor with a "perfect" lens. Zeiss is supposed be making the Otus in A-mount, but so far I've only seen the Nikon and Canon mounts on pre-order. The LA-EA3 will be the one to go for since the Otus is manual focus and the translucent mirror on the LA-EA4 may reduce the pristine image quality and autofocus is not possible. I wouldn't go with any Canon or Nikon adapters given the greater chance of imperfection. Cost in USD would be just under USD7K, but I wonder if the LA-EA3 will make the setup unwieldy.

7k is inclusive of the body or just the lens ?!!!

Beyond my $$$ capability haha i be contended with the 55 f1.8 fe lens.

 

[tsammyc]

7k is inclusive of the body or just the lens ?!!!

Beyond my $$$ capability haha i be contended with the 55 f1.8 fe lens.

If I sell everything else, I could scrounge it up. The A7r is USD2700, the LA-EA3 is USD200 and the Otus is USD4000

In Steve Huff's hands. He is using the Canon version with Metabones adapter.

 

[ZoomZ]

So tua leng kong... And imbalance too. Waste the efforts of Sony to sell this as the smallest FF DSLR?

Think better get a D800E instead with the otus.

A7R with this size and without optical stability at shallow f1.4. Tough to get good shots man.

 

[Rashkae]

So tua leng kong... And imbalance too. Waste the efforts of Sony to sell this as the smallest FF DSLR?

Think better get a D800E instead with the otus.

A7R with this size and without optical stability at shallow f1.4. Tough to get good shots man.

OIS has nothing to do with thin DOF. Don't blame equipment if your understanding of the fundamentals is wrong.

 

[kei1309]

Too many inflated prices here

 

[shioks76]

According to SAR if bought in Australia a7r, the package comes with an adapter of your choice. Choose between canon, nikon and sony la ea4!

 

[ZoomZ]

Yes Master Rashkae. I meant too heavy and without OIS, very unstable for unsteady hands. Mixed thin DOF into the sentence.

Thanks for correcting!

OIS has nothing to do with thin DOF. Don't blame equipment if your understanding of the fundamentals is wrong.

 

[ZoomZ]

The F1.8-F2.7 advantage is only up to 34mm focal length. From 35mm onwards, the RX10 will stay fixed at F2.8 while RX100 will move quickly to F4.9.

Not complaining of my RX100 though. It is indeed a good camera of its size.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100/3

You're right, but about me making a simple mistake and not how little I know about landscape photography. Nonetheless, I will take your derision in stride and just assume you had a bad day.

The RX100 is still and excellent camera for landscape

 

[Dezen]

You're right, but about me making a simple mistake and not how little I know about landscape photography. Nonetheless, I will take your derision in stride and just assume you had a bad day.

The RX100 is still and excellent camera for landscape

Nicely handled, with age comes wisdom?