Not eveyone can afford such rental...

[allenleonhart]

Those atom floating out there, how they come about and for whatever purpose?

i dunno. but i'm pretty sure u dunno either

pls dun turn this into something that will make the thread close. this is a good thread and i would like it to stay. if u really need to know the full argument, pm me and i'll take a few days to reply u though

 

[denniskee]

First, NKF, then, the monk and now, this church.

Wrong,

1st Church, than NKF, than Monk & now back to Church. Musical chair ah?:think::think:

 

[allenleonhart]

Wrong,

1st Church, than NKF, than Monk & now back to Church. Musical chair ah?:think::think:

ok u made me laugh with this one.:thumbsup:

 

[jopel]

i dunno. but i'm pretty sure u dunno either

pls dun turn this into something that will make the thread close. this is a good thread and i would like it to stay. if u really need to know the full argument, pm me and i'll take a few days to reply u though

This thread is about the bankruptcy of our moral and value system.

btw, I know the answer but John Calvin will gladly put be on the stake.

 

[allenleonhart]

This thread is about the bankruptcy of our moral and value system.

btw, I know the answer but John Calvin will gladly put be on the stake.

dun think ans is a good word to use.:sweat: i'm quite sure that john calvin's argument on why there is no need to prove the existence is not an ans to the qn of why we are here...:sweat:
and there are counter arguments from both the 4 horsemen and immanuel kant and friends
may i assume ur a religious person? :sweat: lets pls pls pls dun get to the argument. i'm just looking forward to whether this pastor has done wrong or right only. and lets leave it as that.

 

[night86mare]

Maybe some of these...

Christopher Hitchens
Bertrand Russell
Carl Sagan
Albert Einstein
Douglas Adams
Prof Noam Chomsky
Bill Maher
Sam Harris (thanks almost forgot this one)


My usual reading material heheh...

Can try itunes and youtube too heheh

you can also read this book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Religion_Becomes_Evil

* Absolute Truth Claims
* Blind Obedience
* Establishing the "Ideal" Time
* The End Justifies Any Means
* Declaring Holy War

we are seeing a lot of that in almost every religion today.

 

[night86mare]

whoever they are, whatever they wrote - no one, however spiritual, religious, philosophical, scientific they can be, is able to unlock the mystery of our existence.

occam's razor:

Who makes the world? Perhaps the world is not made. Perhaps nothing is made. Perhaps it is, always has been, always will be there. A clock without a craftsman.

As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.

:angel:

 

[allenleonhart]

you can also read this book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Religion_Becomes_Evil



we are seeing a lot of that in almost every religion today.

i just dug an excerpt to check how good it is...

"Kimball rightly observes that truth claims are foundational for religion. But, he claims that believers err when they hold their religious beliefs in a “rigid” or “absolute” manner. So, when some Christians criticize the Islamic view of God (Allah) as deficient, they reveal their ignorance and bigotry. Kimball asserts that, “there is simply no ambiguity here. Jews, Christians, and Muslims are talking about the same deity” (p. 50). This is because the Qur’an claims that Allah inspired the Hebrew prophets and Jesus. Moreover, the Arabic word “Allah” means “God.” "

from here.
http://www.christianethicstoday.com...ook Reviewed by Douglas Groothuis_044_27_.htm

wont say its a reliable source, but if that is the stand... it will certainly only work for the religions of the books. other religions wont seem to fit in i guess...

will try to find the book and read it and i reserve my comments till i done so:thumbsup:

 

[9V-Orion Images]

"You know, the only way to make any money, you can't do it with pulp writing, you got to, you start a religion."

- Lafayette Ronald Hubbard
Church of Scientology founder and possibly one of the greatest scammer in modern history

 

[allenleonhart]

occam's razor:





:angel:

wa... u even threw out the razor:sweat: i admit ur really well read.

scary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor#Religion

 

[jopel]

this thread also tells me that there are scholars and philosophers lurking around in kopitiam.:bsmilie:

 

[sammy888]

occam's razor:





:angel:

Wah..that's one of my favorite logic! heheh

 

[night86mare]

this thread also tells me that there are scholars and philosophers lurking around in kopitiam.:bsmilie:

you are a philosopher?

i am just a bored goat with a camera and a tripod. :bsmilie::bsmilie:

 

[night86mare]

Wah..that's one of my favorite logic! heheh

occam's razor? love it. people always think too much sometimes.

 

[razor]

occam's razor? love it. people always think too much sometimes.

you calling me??? ;p

 

[sammy888]

you calling me??? ;p

:bsmilie::bsmilie::bsmilie:

 

[night86mare]

you calling me??? ;p

is your other half called occam? :bsmilie::bsmilie:

 

[tokrot]

Wrong,

1st Church, than NKF, than Monk & now back to Church. Musical chair ah?:think::think:

You left out the YMCA's case...:bsmilie:

 

[zaren]

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[allenleonhart]

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nice one. it totally contradicts the china wine:sweat: