[ Non Tech Review ] My thought about GF-1

[Randius]

Paste leatherette on the GF-1. It will get rid of almost all wordings on the front and improves the grip too.

Despite owning the GF-1 now, I am still being tempted by the E-P2's IBIS, art filters and better OOC JPEGs.

 

[PixMan]

Will it need to be so expressive until need "sucks/lousy" keywords?
Will it be really that "suck/lousy" as u said when EP2 EVF didnt launch yet?

Erm... I didn't say anything about the P2's EVF launch. The only timeframe were my camera ownership, specifically in the order of P1, GF1 and P2.

If you read my post properly, the word "suck" was with reference to the P2's EVF power consumption, which I did clearly mention. The EVF DOES suck juice from the battery far more than the main LCD. The battery lasts less than a day if I insist on using it full-time.

Nowhere else was the word "suck", or any of its form, used euphemistically.

How about when one day GF1 launch EVF2 which put another "suck/lousy" keyword on ur dictionary?

If that day comes, and if I am so inclined, I might ditch the P2 for whatever is, in my opinion, better. Brand notwithstanding.

Time and tech improving everyday, none “better” exist with "suck/lousy" passed.

Appreciate what we gain, what we have. Instead of insulting another~

I do not feel I have insulted anything or anyone. As I clearly mentioned, it was my 2¢, meaning my opinion. I also mentioned that equipment ownership was a personal choice and that we should enjoy what we have.

In the interest of good spirit, I apologise for offending your sensibilities and have since deleted one of the offending words from my post. I have not deleted the other word for the explanation above.

I had a dekko at your photos on flickr. Nice shots!

 

[henavs]

To me, the GF1 is a more intuitively designed camera...the menu system , user interface are all very user friendly. Plus the super fast autofocus, built in flash and MIJ sways me towards the GF1.

To me brains matters more than beauty and looks.

Yes, as I mentioned above, I'm talking about aesthetic only, not brain

Feature wise, GF1 is very fast for a compact in term of AF & shutter response. As the photos above, I've owned & been using both for quite sometimes now. GF1 & E-P2 both have features that each others are lacking.

During my trip with E-P2, I've been kicking myself for not bringing GF1 instead, especially when I need to light up my subject on strong backlight & low light scenes. E-P2 has also missed a lot of shots due to its sluggish response.

But there are other times when I feel the E-P2 is perfect for my usage, I mostly using MF on rangefinder lenses which benefits from IBIS & extra hi res EVF.

Ah crap, this turns into another E-P1/P2 vs GF1 thread again...lol

 

[stetan]

While the AF was indeed faster, I also had a higher rate of out-of-focus pictures than I did with either Pens. I believe microcosm mentioned somewhere that the GF1's faster AF speed was achieved at a lower sample rate. This may translate to more misses. To this end, the user may be better served if shots were focused even if more time was needed to achieve that. Then again, the Pen's AF is NOT that much slower than the GF1's.



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My experience was different from yours....The autofocus on the EP-2 was so sluggish that I could not even get a focus, especially in low light. Makes me wonder why the EP-2 was "hunting" to and fro :dunno:

On the other hand, the GF1 was excellent, spot on everytime.

This concur with a user experience in the forum of dpreview, an user ( who owns both the EP-2 and GF-1 ) rated the autofocus speed and accuracy.

From 1 to 100, if the LX-3 is rated 1 and the EOS D500 rated 100, the GF1 would rate about 90, and the EP-2 50+.

But he did mentioned that if the EP2 was paired off with the panasonic lenses, the autofocus seems to be slightly better,

To me, IB stabization is an non issue as I am using primarily Panasonic lenses with built in stabilisation. BTW, Canon and Nikon also adopt in-lens stabilisation rather then in-body stabilisation.

 

[henavs]

My experience was different from yours....The autofocus on the EP-2 was so sluggish that I could not even get a focus, especially in low light. Makes me wonder why the EP-2 was "hunting" to and fro :dunno:

On the other hand, the GF1 was excellent, spot on everytime.

This concur with a user in the forum of dpreview, an user ( who owns both the EP-2 and GF-1 ) rated the autofocus speed and accuracy.

From 1 to 100, if the LX-3 is rated 1 and the EOS D500 rated 100, the GF1 would rate about 90, and the EP-2 50+.

But he did mentioned that if the EP2 was paired off with the panasonic lenses, the autofocus seems to be slightly better,

To me, IB stabization is an non issue as I am using primarily Panasonic lenses with built in stabilisation. BTW, Canon and Nikon also adopt in lens stabilisation rather then in-body stabilisation.

Actually the AF on E-P1/P2 is not that slow, the pbm is it always have to throw the lens back & forth (hunting) even after the focus is locked, hence forcing us to wait for it to settle before the shutter can be fired. If this could be fixed through firmware it would be good.

 

[chuanzuya]

pairing the EP-2 with pana lens definitely improves the af speed alot.. tats wat i did for telephoto zoom lens

 

[stetan]

Dont count on it nowadays. I bought my Hitachi Plasma TV solely because the whole thing is Made in Japan. Forked out twice the price of Pioneer (Made in malaysia? or China?) at that time. It broke down twice in 4 years already.

Probably if it was made in China, it would fails many time more

I guess you are right that there is no gurantee that a MIJ model will not break down earlier than a MIC model.

But I think in the majority of cases, statiscally MIJ products are more reliable the MIC products. At least to me, this is an additional level of assurance.

 

[PixMan]

My experience was different from yours....The autofocus on the EP-2 was so sluggish that I could not even get a focus, especially in low light. Makes me wonder why the EP-2 was "hunting" to and fro :dunno:

On the other hand, the GF1 was excellent, spot on everytime.

This concur with a user experience in the forum of dpreview, an user ( who owns both the EP-2 and GF-1 ) rated the autofocus speed and accuracy.

From 1 to 100, if the LX-3 is rated 1 and the EOS D500 rated 100, the GF1 would rate about 90, and the EP-2 50+.

But he did mentioned that if the EP2 was paired off with the panasonic lenses, the autofocus seems to be slightly better,

To me, IB stabization is an non issue as I am using primarily Panasonic lenses with built in stabilisation. BTW, Canon and Nikon also adopt in-lens stabilisation rather then in-body stabilisation.

Interesting. I used the P2 with the standard kit zoom at night a lot while I was on holiday. Perhaps a case of duds with my GF1 and the other user's P2?

For what it's worth, I have 2 Lumix lenses, the 20mm and 7-14mm. They are great stuff on the P2!

At any rate, I like my P2. So much that I am thinking of selling my D700 and K-7. ;p

 

[whattokingu]

BTW, Canon and Nikon also adopt in-lens stabilisation rather then in-body stabilisation.

So what if canikon is using in-lens stablisation? It doesn't automatically makes it a better form of IS, as you MIGHT seem to suggest here.
From what I have read, which form of IS is better, is debatable, but the advantage of lens IS is that you can see its effect through the viewfinder. In m4/3s, that argument is useless.

In the long-run, in-body IS would cost its user less as the lenses are cheaper.

 

[stetan]

So what if canikon is using in-lens stablisation? It doesn't automatically makes it a better form of IS, as you MIGHT seem to suggest here.
From what I have read, which form of IS is better, is debatable, but the advantage of lens IS is that you can see its effect through the viewfinder. In m4/3s, that argument is useless.

In the long-run, in-body IS would cost its user less as the lenses are cheaper.

I am not suggesting anything here...dun be mistaken.

I am just pointing out the fact if IB stabilisation is so "good" as claimed by some forummers here, then why did the top 2 camera makers in the world Canon and Nikon opted for in-lens stabilisation. I remember reading a paper by Canon long ago on this....the claim is that in-lens stabilisation can more be intuned with the characteristecs of the lens i.e customised, where else in-body stabilisation have more of a generic "one size fits all" approach.

 

[pchmj]

For zoom lens ILIS works better than IBIS, that's what I observed with the 45-200mm, AF can be faster than kit lens at times. Got IBIS is better than none since some lens got no IS like the pancake, no point saying which is better since have is better than none. Have both can choose, best of both world

Coming from a pns user, I've no problem with the slow AF because it's already very fast to me, so should I avoid using GF-1 or DSLR in case I throw out my EP-2? If that's the case all my pns can be in the trash bin already. I don't understand how it miss critical shoots when it doesn't happen to me when using pns.

Erm.., can we just stop here?

This thread is 'Non Tech Review', we are moving out of point...

 

[A.T.]

Quality really has nothing to do with where the product is made. Blame it on the parent company for not exercising good quality control. Well, it all voices down to money. We consumers want things cheap. Companies want maximum profit possible. So, they go for the lowest bidder in manufacturing. And they don't even bother to hire people to do real quality control. In the end, it's still the consumer who suffers from bad QC products.

If you guys have a chance, you should check out these documentaries, Collapse and The Corporation.

 

[yunhen3350]

Erm... I didn't say anything about the P2's EVF launch. The only timeframe were my camera ownership, specifically in the order of P1, GF1 and P2.

If you read my post properly, the word "suck" was with reference to the P2's EVF power consumption, which I did clearly mention. The EVF DOES suck juice from the battery far more than the main LCD. The battery lasts less than a day if I insist on using it full-time.

Nowhere else was the word "suck", or any of its form, used euphemistically.



If that day comes, and if I am so inclined, I might ditch the P2 for whatever is, in my opinion, better. Brand notwithstanding.



I do not feel I have insulted anything or anyone. As I clearly mentioned, it was my 2¢, meaning my opinion. I also mentioned that equipment ownership was a personal choice and that we should enjoy what we have.

In the interest of good spirit, I apologise for offending your sensibilities and have since deleted one of the offending words from my post. I have not deleted the other word for the explanation above.

I had a dekko at your photos on flickr. Nice shots!

haha, never worry~ I'm not meant to be offense. Maybe I did kinda sensitive about when ppl ditching things with newer one.

I apologize for you too if my words causes any unhappy.

Thanks for your peep on my flickr, I'm newbie actually. Mind to add me? I would be glad

 

[PixMan]

haha, never worry~ I'm not meant to be offense. Maybe I did kinda sensitive about when ppl ditching things with newer one.

I apologize for you too if my words causes any unhappy.

Thanks for your peep on my flickr, I'm newbie actually. Mind to add me? I would be glad

Neither offence taken nor unhappiness felt!

Sorry, TS, for the tangent!

 

[ndroo]

You made me smile.

It did the same to me.

I ain't no architect ... ain't no designer ... ain't no engineer ...
... but I love the E-P1 because I love my old Pen F. :bsmilie: I think it's pretty and that's all that matters to be because although I can't take great photos but I love pretty cameras. EP1 or GF1 ... it is up to individual. Just like a girlfriend or wife. What's pretty to one might be 'yucks!' to another.

 

[chuanzuya]

It did the same to me.

I ain't no architect ... ain't no designer ... ain't no engineer ...
... but I love the E-P1 because I love my old Pen F. :bsmilie: I think it's pretty and that's all that matters to be because although I can't take great photos but I love pretty cameras. EP1 or GF1 ... it is up to individual. Just like a girlfriend or wife. What's pretty to one might be 'yucks!' to another.

i agree with you. In addition, camera does not fully determine whether a photographer can shoot great photos anot. A truely talented photographer can shoot great images even using a camera phone :thumbsup:

 

[stetan]

For zoom lens ILIS works better than IBIS, that's what I observed with the 45-200mm, AF can be faster than kit lens at times. Got IBIS is better than none since some lens got no IS like the pancake, no point saying which is better since have is better than none. Have both can choose, best of both world

Coming from a pns user, I've no problem with the slow AF because it's already very fast to me, so should I avoid using GF-1 or DSLR in case I throw out my EP-2? If that's the case all my pns can be in the trash bin already. I don't understand how it miss critical shoots when it doesn't happen to me when using pns.

Erm.., can we just stop here?

This thread is 'Non Tech Review', we are moving out of point...

I agreed that having IBIS is better than nothing.
but for me, that is a non-issue as I used Panasonic lenses (ILIS).

Dun get me wrong, I am not saying that the GF1 is more superior or anything like that but it seem that some forummers here (maybe die hard olympus supporters ? )are not being fair in their comments about the GF1.

 

[eow]

I agreed that having IBIS is better than nothing.
but for me, that is a non-issue as I used Panasonic lenses (ILIS).

Dun get me wrong, I am not saying that the GF1 is more superior or anything like that but it seem that some forummers here (maybe die hard olympus supporters ? )are not being fair in their comments about the GF1.

rest assure not all, only a very few hardcore one

 

[wildcat]

rest assure not all, only a very few hardcore one

I can agree to disagree with you, as long as we're both objective about it

 

[eooojj]

For those who thinks GF1 styling is not as "classic" or "retro" or "vintage" as EP1/2's appeal, would you consider clothing it with this? Hmmm...am seriously considering to get one
...to me, it will make my GF1 look less "modern"... sells for around S$100-$130 on ebay (halfcase only)

...but its Made in China ...lets hope Luigi of www.leicatime.com starts making one
Anyone one knows of any other sources that sells nice GF1 half case?