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night86mare
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i can appreciate that this is something alternative, the ghastly (well, i'm entitled to opinions if you're entitled to art expression) colors CAN be interpreted as an attempt to try a certain mood, i had always felt that the over emphasis on color accuracy when it comes to portraits should be broken, but only if it is done well. won't you agree that breaking out of the box, just for the sake of breaking out of the box.. is just as bad as sitting inside the box?
take for example 5 versus 6. posing aside, the tone in 5, no matter how i see it, is much more aesthetically pleasing than 6. like deadpoet always say, small things make and break the picture - in 6 the editing is not complete, you have made the whole picture gloomy, but out of the window, there is a patch of happy green. it spoils everything you ahve done.
i can appreciate 4 and 5, the rest of it, a little too cluttered for my liking, that's what i feel.
since there has been quite a row about the tools used, let's just say that i do not seriously see how cs3 over cs2 is going to improve your working capability.. with the lighting conditions presented in 1,2,3,4 which are outdoor, the nikon d70s is probably more than capable of handling the iso needed, especially when you're talking about websize. but i'm not a nikon user. when it comes to underexposure in 5 and 6 this is probably a null issue too. point is well taken on lens, bokeh is something that is hard to do properly outofcam. i suppose people might actually find it pretty questionable as to why the extra (yes, extra and unnecessary) line about your "limited equipment" was added, given the circumstances as well, and conditions presented in the photographs shown. to me, the first impression was that there was a lack of confidence, and the next instinct was that you seemed to be blaming your tools.
certainly, better tools give good photographs with more ease - if one is able. but at the same time, are you telling me that the artist with a broken paintbrush with pride is going to stand up and apologise that he has used a broken paintbrush to paint a great piece of art? if you do feel that it is good, why apologise? let alone when the paintbrush, broken or not, is not really an issue.
that said, i thought i'd express the admiration for the heck care attitude, but one needs to exercise some self-reflection. critique can be good or bad, i always felt that so long as the intention was good, one should show respect for it, the goodwill. humility is also something which goes a long way when it comes to anything, let alone photography. there is probably a thin fine line between what is experimental creativity and insistence of something bad to be good.. to me, that line isn't crossed here but some are more conservative, so have the clear head to see where they are coming from.
cheers. i wonder where deadpoet is, i find myself vaguely interested as to what he would say about this series
take for example 5 versus 6. posing aside, the tone in 5, no matter how i see it, is much more aesthetically pleasing than 6. like deadpoet always say, small things make and break the picture - in 6 the editing is not complete, you have made the whole picture gloomy, but out of the window, there is a patch of happy green. it spoils everything you ahve done.
i can appreciate 4 and 5, the rest of it, a little too cluttered for my liking, that's what i feel.
since there has been quite a row about the tools used, let's just say that i do not seriously see how cs3 over cs2 is going to improve your working capability.. with the lighting conditions presented in 1,2,3,4 which are outdoor, the nikon d70s is probably more than capable of handling the iso needed, especially when you're talking about websize. but i'm not a nikon user. when it comes to underexposure in 5 and 6 this is probably a null issue too. point is well taken on lens, bokeh is something that is hard to do properly outofcam. i suppose people might actually find it pretty questionable as to why the extra (yes, extra and unnecessary) line about your "limited equipment" was added, given the circumstances as well, and conditions presented in the photographs shown. to me, the first impression was that there was a lack of confidence, and the next instinct was that you seemed to be blaming your tools.
certainly, better tools give good photographs with more ease - if one is able. but at the same time, are you telling me that the artist with a broken paintbrush with pride is going to stand up and apologise that he has used a broken paintbrush to paint a great piece of art? if you do feel that it is good, why apologise? let alone when the paintbrush, broken or not, is not really an issue.
that said, i thought i'd express the admiration for the heck care attitude, but one needs to exercise some self-reflection. critique can be good or bad, i always felt that so long as the intention was good, one should show respect for it, the goodwill. humility is also something which goes a long way when it comes to anything, let alone photography. there is probably a thin fine line between what is experimental creativity and insistence of something bad to be good.. to me, that line isn't crossed here but some are more conservative, so have the clear head to see where they are coming from.
cheers. i wonder where deadpoet is, i find myself vaguely interested as to what he would say about this series
Thank you for the feedback we will definitely improve ourselves over time.
Not blaming the tools, we just know that we are aiming for something better after doing it for sometime as a hobby... we are going for professional quality prints in future. That requires of course lots of investing in books, equipment and etc. Before this, we were just experimenting with what we have on hand but of course, we are not satisfied with it that is why i am not very confident of the current level we are at because i know that we are just making do with the basics... but there is so much more out there! ^^
Not blaming the tools, we just know that we are aiming for something better after doing it for sometime as a hobby... we are going for professional quality prints in future. That requires of course lots of investing in books, equipment and etc. Before this, we were just experimenting with what we have on hand but of course, we are not satisfied with it that is why i am not very confident of the current level we are at because i know that we are just making do with the basics... but there is so much more out there! ^^
designerwhere
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We appreciate your comments and agree that we need to continue to work on improving ourselves beyond this current level. Breaking out of the box however is only for people who think there is a box there in the first place.i can appreciate that this is something alternative, the ghastly (well, i'm entitled to opinions if you're entitled to art expression) colors CAN be interpreted as an attempt to try a certain mood, i had always felt that the over emphasis on color accuracy when it comes to portraits should be broken, but only if it is done well. won't you agree that breaking out of the box, just for the sake of breaking out of the box.. is just as bad as sitting inside the box?
take for example 5 versus 6. posing aside, the tone in 5, no matter how i see it, is much more aesthetically pleasing than 6. like deadpoet always say, small things make and break the picture - in 6 the editing is not complete, you have made the whole picture gloomy, but out of the window, there is a patch of happy green. it spoils everything you ahve done.
i can appreciate 4 and 5, the rest of it, a little too cluttered for my liking, that's what i feel.
since there has been quite a row about the tools used, let's just say that i do not seriously see how cs3 over cs2 is going to improve your working capability.. with the lighting conditions presented in 1,2,3,4 which are outdoor, the nikon d70s is probably more than capable of handling the iso needed, especially when you're talking about websize. but i'm not a nikon user. when it comes to underexposure in 5 and 6 this is probably a null issue too. point is well taken on lens, bokeh is something that is hard to do properly outofcam. i suppose people might actually find it pretty questionable as to why the extra (yes, extra and unnecessary) line about your "limited equipment" was added, given the circumstances as well, and conditions presented in the photographs shown. to me, the first impression was that there was a lack of confidence, and the next instinct was that you seemed to be blaming your tools.
certainly, better tools give good photographs with more ease - if one is able. but at the same time, are you telling me that the artist with a broken paintbrush with pride is going to stand up and apologise that he has used a broken paintbrush to paint a great piece of art? if you do feel that it is good, why apologise? let alone when the paintbrush, broken or not, is not really an issue.
that said, i thought i'd express the admiration for the heck care attitude, but one needs to exercise some self-reflection. critique can be good or bad, i always felt that so long as the intention was good, one should show respect for it, the goodwill. humility is also something which goes a long way when it comes to anything, let alone photography. there is probably a thin fine line between what is experimental creativity and insistence of something bad to be good.. to me, that line isn't crossed here but some are more conservative, so have the clear head to see where they are coming from.
cheers. i wonder where deadpoet is, i find myself vaguely interested as to what he would say about this series
Techincally, we might not be there yet but life's is a constant learning process.... only when one is satisfied and contented with what one has accomplished will someone sit back, conform to socially acceptable standards and fall into incomplacency.
In regards to the tools used, it is photoshop 7 which is ancient by any standards. No doubt, a master can make things look good no matter wat equipment he is using but than again if a general is using a rusty butcher knife when riding out to war, what do you think will happen?
If anyone was paying attention at all, all this escalated when some innocent ramblings about wanting to get better equipment was misinterpreted as blaming the equipment for not getting quality works.
As it has been emphasised for the 3728947924th time, we are open for comments and criticisms. At the same time, any artist would come out and defend his work especially when certain things were done intentionally to achieve certain results. We value your views and yes I agree that the green in certain pictures have spoilt the mood for the picture. We understand now and will seek to improve further.
Lastly, it was never a heckcare attitude, we do take whatever was said seriously and would take them into consideration for our next series. Of course, things like suggesting us to bring a comb to comb the model's hair when it was obvious that the spiral effect and the "messy" hair was something we wanted in the first place.
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Jemapela
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What's really so surprising about the hoo-haa on messy hair and old cameras/software? ClubSnap has very often been like this. Many here are too rigid, formulaiec, and worst of all, are equipment wankers.
Keep shooting the great work you both do.
designerwhere
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Everyone is entitled to their own constructive criticism I guess. Persistance is the key to dsveloping greatness and that we shall. Thanks for the motivation.
:thumbsup:Having seen her website, my impression of Averal is someone who is more inclined into doing something more arty, non mainstream, and out-of-the-square box. Clearly, we can all suspect that a great proportion of ClubSnap members (and Singaporeans) are not enthusiastic or capable in this "outside" area.
As a nation, Singaporeans have been raised to conform to rules and regulations, and follow formulas and standard operating procedures. A lot of that upbringing and conditioning can be seen in this forum. Only a few are able to break away from this conditioning and pursue what they really would like to freely achieve or express.
A CS member said it right - there are many photographers who simply join group shoots doing similar themes repeatedly, and some model shoot organisers are just as guilty of conducting the same themes over and over again.
Whether or not the photography and digital imaging skills are lousy, the fact of the matter remains that Averal and her photographer don't have the typical or common herd mentality which many others have, and went out on their own to do what they really felt like doing. Their results may not be award-winning but surely stands out differently from the plethora of clubbing, sexy dress, etc images.
I still want to know what dope Averal consumes for such inspiration.
Photography is creativity so why do we need to conform?
I often hear about the 1/3 rule and etc but are they necessary for gret pictures?
designerwhere
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Not really, there are always exceptions and if you think what you are doing gets the meaning across just fine than there is no need to conform to any fixed set of ideals.
night86mare
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no? it is not a rule, it is actually a guide
somewhere along the line some doofus called it a rule and so it became a rule
for example, reflections will always somehow look better in 1/2 1/2 format, instead of 1/3 2/3
the only rule in photography is that there are no rules, so long as you push forth your vision properly and tastefully
designerwhere
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:bsmilie:
Mine was a rhetorical question mate.
Of course there are no rules.
Any way, bear in mind that all rules are meant to be broken.... ha ha....makes me sound like a bad boy.:bsmilie:
no?
:thumbsup: it is not a rule,
:thumbsup: it is actually a guide........
........... the only rule in photography is that there are no rules............ :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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designerwhere
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He he...people like us are often treated like the unorthodox clans in ancient chinese swordfighting dramas.
designerwhere
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Upz for more comments:bsmilie:
girl - your pictures these 3 areas of issues.
1. mood pictures are more than just lighting or di'ing the light, setting - the model as to emote period or all else is lost. You cannot DI in emotions. Model has to be correct for frame - sultry image u need a sultry model or one can do sultry no point geting someone in frame who does not look the part.
2.lighting there are issues that show up in final work - mostly what seems to be inapporpriate choices.
3. visual framing - it seems like a lot of effort was made to be "different" without considering why and for what for. Being different does not excuse one from making it work visually the reverse is true it has to work visually or being different looks as being wrong. Hey every one want to be different - just donot get fixed that if any one does not agree is because they cannot see your vision. Some people see way better than you - it may not be me or him or that one but there will be people who can at a glance see the angle needed and how to harness the elements to make the frame - so let's not get so excited when things are said that you do not wanna to hear.
4. being too close - you are not hearing any thing that is critical about your handy work. Work is almost never complete there is always some more that could be crafted in.
1. mood pictures are more than just lighting or di'ing the light, setting - the model as to emote period or all else is lost. You cannot DI in emotions. Model has to be correct for frame - sultry image u need a sultry model or one can do sultry no point geting someone in frame who does not look the part.
2.lighting there are issues that show up in final work - mostly what seems to be inapporpriate choices.
3. visual framing - it seems like a lot of effort was made to be "different" without considering why and for what for. Being different does not excuse one from making it work visually the reverse is true it has to work visually or being different looks as being wrong. Hey every one want to be different - just donot get fixed that if any one does not agree is because they cannot see your vision. Some people see way better than you - it may not be me or him or that one but there will be people who can at a glance see the angle needed and how to harness the elements to make the frame - so let's not get so excited when things are said that you do not wanna to hear.
4. being too close - you are not hearing any thing that is critical about your handy work. Work is almost never complete there is always some more that could be crafted in.
Thank you we will improve further.
If you are interested in the storyline and concept behind each picture please visit my deviantart at http://averral.deviantart.com
If you are interested in the storyline and concept behind each picture please visit my deviantart at http://averral.deviantart.com
It dawned upon me that people are not used to our style of work because it is not the usual stuff on magazines. We tend to go deeper... into the history of buildings... into the past... to explore the wonders of our heritage. The complexity of being lost in the urban landscape caught in between east and west cultures.... losing our identities... our history.
There is more to just the pictures, i hope that one day others will be able to see it.
There is more to just the pictures, i hope that one day others will be able to see it.
Triazolium
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I think that many people on CS are very open to more abstract work. However, all the qualities that you say that you "tend to go deeper" into (history of buildings, wonders of heritage, getting lost in the urban landscape- a topic which continues to be explored and experimented with by others before you, actually: the contrast between old and new, east and west), I absolutely do not see in your photos.
Good attempt though, and always keep trying to improve, no matter how others try to diss you. What's important is weeding out the constructive comments from four pages of C&C and using them to improve your craft. Keep up the effort! :thumbsup:
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