Nikon to delay the D2H
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Yes, I agreed with Larry, lets leave it here.Larry said:i agree... i think it depends on which market segment that you're referring to. i heard/read somewhere that if you're talking about digicams in general (no price limit, as long as digital, etc), Sony is the market leader.
although in that sense i agree with scanner - there might not be actual numbers available but in terms of DLSR users, Canon definitely has the lead (for now). let's leave it at that, shall we? it's a moot issue anyway, since market share is a very mercurial and ever-changing issue.
Hope that I don't offend anyone. No bad feelings right.
"Global shipments of digital SLR are estimated to have reached 250,000 units in 2002, according to estimates from different Japanese camera manufacturers.
While some in the industry believe that shipments this year could surpass 600,000 units, "there is a good possibility that the figure will top 1 million units," according to a senior executive at Olympus.
Canon, which controls about 80% of the global market, is enjoying brisk sales of a model priced around 200,000 yen that debuted in March. Shipments are said to total over 30,000 units a month, with production unable to keep up, a Canon official says. Its high-end model priced at 950,000 yen continues to ship at a pace of nearly 2,000 units a month."
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0306/03062501oly90000.asp
Like many, I don't think Canon over-dominance is good. Competition is good. Seems pretty obvious that the EOS-1D from US$3.6k to US$3k was caused by D2h announced at US$3.5k (and retailing US$3.2k). Go Nikon!
While some in the industry believe that shipments this year could surpass 600,000 units, "there is a good possibility that the figure will top 1 million units," according to a senior executive at Olympus.
Canon, which controls about 80% of the global market, is enjoying brisk sales of a model priced around 200,000 yen that debuted in March. Shipments are said to total over 30,000 units a month, with production unable to keep up, a Canon official says. Its high-end model priced at 950,000 yen continues to ship at a pace of nearly 2,000 units a month."
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0306/03062501oly90000.asp
Like many, I don't think Canon over-dominance is good. Competition is good. Seems pretty obvious that the EOS-1D from US$3.6k to US$3k was caused by D2h announced at US$3.5k (and retailing US$3.2k). Go Nikon!
I think it doesn't matter whether Nikon or Canon has the market share. It is how we use the camera we have in our hands to produce great images which we hope to admire, enjoy and appreciate by either ourselves or the rest of the world.
Read somewhere in www.nikonians.org:
Nikon v. Canon? = What brand of chisels and brushes did Michelangelo use?
If you have noticed the photographers in National Geographic...they use cameras from all the different brands...sometimes even a compact camera.
It is always the images....not the camera itself.
Read somewhere in www.nikonians.org:
Nikon v. Canon? = What brand of chisels and brushes did Michelangelo use?
If you have noticed the photographers in National Geographic...they use cameras from all the different brands...sometimes even a compact camera.
It is always the images....not the camera itself.
scanner said:
Err. But that's Singapore. Land of the rich amateurs and wannabe pros and gadget freaks. And this is Clubsnap, land of the ex Hardwarezone forum. People with money to burn and high tech toys to buy, people who need something newer as soon as possible.
Not hardly surprising Canon's clearly the brand.
Seriously, a <= 1 month delay is nothing for a camera of such calibre/field of usage. The actual buyers are those who use these in exacting fields of work, and that it is not really a ala 300D kind of cam.
Fact is, the D2H is already way over subscribed (ie. preordered) all over the world, the stats I have with me for the Taiwan market stands at 5.8:1, in layman's term, this means it is oversubscribed about 6 times for dealers' initial stock allotment. Looking back at the stat, the Canon 1D, on the other hand, was slightly "delayed" for 2 weeks. It was oversubscribed too but its ratio stands at a mere 2.3:1 , its allotment figure (during its launch) is quite identical to the D2H so to say.
Not exactly a quantative comparison since Nikon is the dominent brand in Taiwan but it serves as a rough guide at the respond it (D2H) is getting. This is also why Nikon is citing that they need to get production to churn out enough units for the demand (and to avoid annoyance of not having enough units to supply to most markets), hence causing the delay.
Fact is, the D2H is already way over subscribed (ie. preordered) all over the world, the stats I have with me for the Taiwan market stands at 5.8:1, in layman's term, this means it is oversubscribed about 6 times for dealers' initial stock allotment. Looking back at the stat, the Canon 1D, on the other hand, was slightly "delayed" for 2 weeks. It was oversubscribed too but its ratio stands at a mere 2.3:1 , its allotment figure (during its launch) is quite identical to the D2H so to say.
Not exactly a quantative comparison since Nikon is the dominent brand in Taiwan but it serves as a rough guide at the respond it (D2H) is getting. This is also why Nikon is citing that they need to get production to churn out enough units for the demand (and to avoid annoyance of not having enough units to supply to most markets), hence causing the delay.
Cheesecake
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Jed said:
correction.
this isn't true. not all Singaporeans are 'rich amateurs and wannabe pros and gadget freaks'.
certainly not freaks.
Cheesecake said:
Actually Jed didn't say ALL Singaporeans were "rich amateurs and gadget freaks" He stated that this is CS which has a large number of ex HWZ types who are gadget freaks and rich amateurs.
Please note also that a freak in this context by the way means someone who is has more than a passing interest in something.
However, what Jed and I were stating is very much the truth, Singapore as a country has a very high level of amateurs running top end kit compared to almost every other country in the world. You won't find many university students in Europe, the USA or Australia for example who can afford to purchase a Dx1 or an F100, or an F5 body let alone a swag of fast glass to go with it. If you dispute this then go have a look first hand at what is being used by the average amateur in their early 20s and then compare it to what's being used by CS members and you'll see what I'm getting at.
Note: This post is my personal opinion, and is NOT posted as a moderator of the Nikon Forum.
Cheesecake said:
Correction to the correction. As Ian has pointed out, I didn't say that "all Singaporeans" are like that. I specifically re-read my post after I wrote it to ensure I had not said that. Because I do know some, including a good number from this forum, who break out of this sad state of affairs.
Let me also stress that those comments are my personal opinion and have nothing to do with the Clubsnap administration. It has nothing to do with responsibility and abusing it, as I would still hold that belief whether I was a moderator or not. Perhaps it would be better if I re-registered my nick as something like Spongecake so I can post more freely?
And no, I have never at any stage said this is limited to just Singapore, Scanner. I can compare it to the UK and from that comparison, that comparison holds true. But all I said was that it applies to Singapore, I never did say it only applied to Singapore.
As Ian has pointed out, this is not so much a "notion" as a "demonstrable fact". I have just returned this evening from my local camera club meeting. I think the most expensive/high tech piece of gear any of them own, myself excepted, is a Nikon 5700. That's about 40 highly experienced photographers who create beautiful images on a consistent basis. Better than the majority of work I see coming from photographers on this and other local forums.
I wouldn't find it surprisingly if the members of Clubsnap have outbought the entire UK in terms of digital SLRs, if you exclude professionals from that count. And the UK has a very active photography community.
The local university here is ranked within the top 10 in the country (ok, top 20, it depends on who you ask). We get people from around the country, generally from the middle to upper class of society. Aside from the few students who do part time work (and I mean, serious part time work, circa S$3000 per month), none of them have DSLRs. Ian can vouch for the situation in Australia.
You might not like it, but if it's true, then you're going to have to acknowledge it. There's no need to get all defensive and start dropping emails/pms. The post wasn't targeted specifically at yourself, it was just a comment on the way photography is headed in Singapore.
Tell me which part of my original statement is inaccurate? Rather than spouting on about malicious and unsavoury comments.
If you take nothing else away from this thread, take this with you. I think the main problem is that Scanner and Cheesecake have got this idea about two points they thought I made that I never did.
First, that I said that ALL Singaporeans are like that. I never did.
Second, that Singapore is the ONLY area in the world that suffers from this malady. I never did.
Can I be an honorary Ang Moh from Hell? Pretty please...
Vinnievinyl
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Jed,
You want to know which part of your statement is not true?
Land of the rich amateurs and wannabe pros and gadget freaks.
The bold part.
Cheers
Vincent
You want to know which part of your statement is not true?
Land of the rich amateurs and wannabe pros and gadget freaks.
The bold part.
Cheers
Vincent
If they're not rich, then they're in debt and have a poor cashflow situation. Somehow that doesn't sound as good though.
Cheesecake, don't feel offended, we're all sorry if you're one of them. However salvation isn't too far if you're still willing to accept it, instead of acting like a spoilt brat and complaining that people are abusing their power when they haven't. If they really did abuse their power, you won't be reading this at all, let alone complain about them.
Cheesecake, don't feel offended, we're all sorry if you're one of them. However salvation isn't too far if you're still willing to accept it, instead of acting like a spoilt brat and complaining that people are abusing their power when they haven't. If they really did abuse their power, you won't be reading this at all, let alone complain about them.
Jed said:
Hold it! Are you saying that I accuse you of something?
1st of all, what I'm saying that this trend of acquiring equipments does not just limit to Singapore alone and I do not imply you saying that all Singaporean. Get it right, please!
I don't think these arguments are getting anywhere! You are too defensive!
Jed said:
...Hands Jed a ceremonial kiddie klub and asks that he swear a blood oath to the Ang Moh from Hell organisation as follows...
To be merciless in the persuit of truth and in stating the truth no matter how many people you offend?
To fight for the use of correct photographic terminology that follows internationally followed standards and proceedures.
To do your level best to stamp out half truths, lies and outright bollock-speak with zeal and without fear or favour.
Note: This post is my personal opinion, and is NOT posted as a moderator of the Nikon Forum.
Jed said:
Here's the situation in Australia based on much observing and discussion with various retailers.
Most amateurs are running kit that is between 5 and 20 years old.
The average fairly serious amateur hobbiest here in Australia (as in non SG student out here studying for example) uses a mid range SLR with a couple of extra lenses or a digicam in the 1000-1500 buck bracket (read about 700-800 SGD). Only the serious older photographers here can afford to buy the likes of a d1x or F5 (guys mostly in their 50s).
Only the well heeled and very serious amateurs can afford even a D100 where a good price is around 3580 SGD and a D1x is out of reach for most here at around $7660 SGD. (prices are body kit only).
This is the reality in most every country in the world. I've only seen 2 'Australian' amateurs in the last couple of years weilding an F5 and 80-200/2.8 AFS Nikkor and that is out of god only knows how many thousands of people taking photographs that I've seen.
Countries that I know of from personal experience where the above is less likely to occur: Singapore, Taiwan, USA, Japan. That's it folks.
Note: This post is my personal opinion, and is NOT posted as a moderator of the Nikon Forum.
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tot this topic is about delay of D2H?
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