Nikon plunges most since 1985
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Aiyo, buy camera also have karma.
The issue is real and proven but they choose not to response. What do you expect buyer to do?
avsquare said:
I agree with this more. I too went from D800 to thinking i don't need it, to settling for a D600. Since the D800/E has been touted as a pro-grade FF and indeed has been shown to require more care/technique in execution, the D600 became the "better" choice for many Nikon followers.
"Bo-pian", hope next round, they come up with another winning D300/D700/D3 lineup.
I think Nikon also "Bo-pian".
They knew the Canon 6d was coming out.
If they price they D600 higher, they may lose market share. Its a classic case of going for Margin or Market Share.
In any case, thanks to Canon, the Nikon consumers have gained from it.
While being highly profit- oriented, I think over the years Nikon has also accumulated some good karma. :angel: Let's hope that the good karma is sufficient to overcome the bad karma. :think:
Blur Shadow
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As a finance graduate, I really don't think karma plays a role in the markets. Or at least there hasn't been any theory or even study on karma and the stock markets. Haha. But it would be ground breaking if there is evidence to suggest that! Haha!
Ha ha, I think only the Buddhists, Canon (Kwanon/Kwan Yim Pusa), Hindus and Boy George believe in karma.
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soeypixels
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imo
1) selling the v series too late and too expensive
2) selling d800?
kills the d3X,
not the d700 replacement
3) sell the crap d600
slightly better than the d7000 but only full frame
4) now going to replace a new dx model
to replace the d300s+d7000
5) d4 is not worth upgrading from d3/d3s
dual CF will be good, ergonomics is excellent
but i guess since it is sony sensor (right?) they don have a choice but to include the xqd
1) selling the v series too late and too expensive
2) selling d800?
kills the d3X,
not the d700 replacement
3) sell the crap d600
slightly better than the d7000 but only full frame
4) now going to replace a new dx model
to replace the d300s+d7000
5) d4 is not worth upgrading from d3/d3s
dual CF will be good, ergonomics is excellent
but i guess since it is sony sensor (right?) they don have a choice but to include the xqd
no link. It was Nikon's own choice to use xqd. Otherwise you would see even the a99 have an xqd slot. Just using a sony sensor does not mean they are "forced" to use xqd
That's exactly my point - the d600, which is a very low-margin product, is what people who may have bought a d800 settled for instead.
Think of when the sony a850 came out (it cost as much/little as the 6D) - sony did it to try and capture market share, but every a850 was actually sold at a loss. They were banking on lens revenue. Nikon is getting hit with the same thing now, a low-profit/loss-making budget FF but people are not buying the lenses in the volumes they expected - because many already had the lenses, they only bought the body.
avsquare
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I'm not sure why they would thought that way, or their market research dept is not doing their job.
Cos any dude out there who had the $ and the intention to move to FF, would have a few capable FX lens by the time they move to FF. If they are thinking that these potential D600 buyers are all using DX cam and all DX lens and when they buy the D600, they will magically dump all their DX lens and move to FX lens.. I think they are pretty darn wrong lol..
Plus, 3rd party makers are coming out with higher quality and extremely competitive FX lens which further eats into their lens market share.
surrephoto
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Remember the 1D3 issue to struck Canon really, really hard?
We've yet to have something like that. The D800/D4 AF issue wasn't as blown up as that incident, but what makes us Nikon users feel most at pain is the painful customer service process at most nikon service centres. If you read dpreview the horror stories are everywhere. Luckily the americans know how to kpkb.
I'm really surprised that this round canon won this big. I expected it but the number of complains they received for 5D3, 1DX & 6D is really, really low. The improvements to major i guess.
Don't worry, every manufacturer who kena this "lousy QC saga" work up within 2-3 years. Canon & Sigma already woke up, so give Nikon 1 more year, they might become angels. I will be praying.
We've yet to have something like that. The D800/D4 AF issue wasn't as blown up as that incident, but what makes us Nikon users feel most at pain is the painful customer service process at most nikon service centres. If you read dpreview the horror stories are everywhere. Luckily the americans know how to kpkb.
I'm really surprised that this round canon won this big. I expected it but the number of complains they received for 5D3, 1DX & 6D is really, really low. The improvements to major i guess.
Don't worry, every manufacturer who kena this "lousy QC saga" work up within 2-3 years. Canon & Sigma already woke up, so give Nikon 1 more year, they might become angels. I will be praying.
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soeypixels
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soeypixels said:
Actually, if XQD had been more readily available (with the help from Sandisk & Lexar) to drive the price down, it might be just as ideal as CF & SD combo. Lexar had made the move, but without the 16GB option, it's just making adoption of this technology even steeper...
Blur Shadow
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Cowseye said:
I think it is a simple case where current technology is too entrenched and there is no move to the newer XQD standard. Both card and equipment manufacturers are hesitant to adopt a standard that has no backing.
Blur Shadow
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Cowseye said:
Hahaha... You can never know...!
I actually think Nikon is being smart this time round. They launched the D800 first, and the sensor is what attracted people. And it's a double edged sword, some people start to realise that it is actually overkill, you need to have proper technique, top glass to get the best out of it etc. While others are more than happy with the resolution and DR, and the boundaries that Nikon has pushed with such a camera.
Those who think that they can't get the most out of the D800 will have to find a way to downgrade, and D700 is no longer available. So the introduction of the D600 comes at the perfect timing, for both users wanting to get into full frame, at the same time for unsatisfied D800 users. Unlike previously, where the D700 was so good that users no longer needed a 2nd option. This is their way of getting more sales. And if you compare the 6D with the D600, I can't see myself getting the Canon over the Nikon(except the dust issues)
Those who think that they can't get the most out of the D800 will have to find a way to downgrade, and D700 is no longer available. So the introduction of the D600 comes at the perfect timing, for both users wanting to get into full frame, at the same time for unsatisfied D800 users. Unlike previously, where the D700 was so good that users no longer needed a 2nd option. This is their way of getting more sales. And if you compare the 6D with the D600, I can't see myself getting the Canon over the Nikon(except the dust issues)
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