Nikon 1 vs m4/3 continued
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I've no idea. :dunno: From their review it seems 16mm is better 14mm.
Sometimes the best/better product will not be the sales champion, or rather the norm that it will not sell in mass market. Think Leica, Hassablad, Rainbow vaccum cleaner, Lamborghini etc.
My second point is, why the comparison? Where is the focus point for comparison (eg for sports, travel, ladies all purpose etc etc). Is there fear that Nikon might outsell Olympus and/or Panasonic?
My third point is, why are some members appearing to be irritated by others? What if these irritated members totally ignore the irritated? Would the irritator feels irritated by not getting the attention?
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My second point is, why the comparison? Where is the focus point for comparison (eg for sports, travel, ladies all purpose etc etc). Is there fear that Nikon might outsell Olympus and/or Panasonic?
My third point is, why are some members appearing to be irritated by others? What if these irritated members totally ignore the irritated? Would the irritator feels irritated by not getting the attention?
curious of the existent of this thread
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tsammyc said:
No, an f2 is an f2. F1.7 is f1.7.
And its not a crop factor but a multiplication factor.
Firstly in nearly all panoply lenses, u can shoot them all wide open. U no need to stop down. So u pay for f1.4 u get f1.4. U dun have to pay f1.4 but get an f2.8 bec anything wider sucks.
Secondly u can shoot at f2 or even f1.4 with adequate dof. Wat I c a lot of other people do is they have this f1.4 lens and then they gotta shoot at 3.5 or 5.6 bec they got not enough dof.
People always tok about low light capability n the panoply or m4/3 lenses are the best for low light. It has the light gathering capability of a wide aperture but with more DOF. And u say thin DOF good bec got bokeh? Bokeh is not necessarily from thin DOF. It's s function of how close u can shoot wide open n how far ur background is, n your lens design.
I was talking about DOF. That's most important to me. If you are talking about low light capability, that is another can of worms i.e., sensor size, sensor technology etc. Even P&S have shallow DOF when you shoot close. The Oly 45mm 1.8 will be a revolution for M43. The way I shoot, I would never consider M43 without this lens.
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cannedpineapples
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Sometimes the best/better product will not be the sales champion, or rather the norm that it will not sell in mass market. Think Leica, Hassablad, Rainbow vaccum cleaner, Lamborghini etc.
My second point is, why the comparison? Where is the focus point for comparison (eg for sports, travel, ladies all purpose etc etc). Is there fear that Nikon might outsell Olympus and/or Panasonic?
My third point is, why are some members appearing to be irritated by others? What if these irritated members totally ignore the irritated? Would the irritator feels irritated by not getting the attention?
curious of the existent of this thread
Thank you for your comments. I am trying to understand not the best product, because I don't believe such a product exists. Rather, I believe clubsnap threads are a good place to have open and informed discussions about products, and which product would be best for which purpose. For example, Nikon 1 vs m43 is one comparison, but another possible one is Nikon 1 vs XZ-1 or S95 or LX5 or even Pentax Q. I for one am curious what people think are the best situations in which these cameras should be used, and why.
Now, indeed, some people tend to get very passionate when they post. I think that's fine. Everyone has their preferences, and some make theirs known more excitedly than others. As long as you don't say personal things like 'you want to buy the xxx camera, you must be an idiot', then I think things are okay. If all I wanted was facts and not opinions, I wouldn't need to read discussions- I'd go to a specifications and review site.
Another thing I don't understand, why do people keep comparing 4/3 with a FF, keep saying 2x DOF. Instead of comparing with 1.5x? DOF difference between 1.5x and 2x is less than 1 stop right?
I never see the comparison of a FF with 1.5x crop, which results in a bigger difference of more than 1 stop right? Why?
I never see the comparison of a FF with 1.5x crop, which results in a bigger difference of more than 1 stop right? Why?
I'm just irritated to see 4/3 compared with FF when the more reasonable comparison is with APS-C.
Agrivar
Senior Member
Yep.. Back to the basics. And I'm stating this the 1000th time. All camera systems have compromises. I use m4/3 because it offers me the best compromise of iq vs weight. That's my opinion. Others can agree to disagree. : )
Back to the topic here. Nikon will make inroads in mirrorless because of their branding and marketing. M4/3 will also improve. The future is really exciting with so many innovations coming out. E.g. SLT, hybrid CDAF/pdaf, pancake zooms, powered zooms, avchd 2 etc... Best time to be in photography.. But let's not forget.. Gear is just the tools. Skill is important, and the best gear for the job.
So for those who prefer Nikon 1 or sony slt or nex or Q, or m4/3 or regular Dslr or compact.. Good for you. All different tools.
Back to the topic here. Nikon will make inroads in mirrorless because of their branding and marketing. M4/3 will also improve. The future is really exciting with so many innovations coming out. E.g. SLT, hybrid CDAF/pdaf, pancake zooms, powered zooms, avchd 2 etc... Best time to be in photography.. But let's not forget.. Gear is just the tools. Skill is important, and the best gear for the job.
So for those who prefer Nikon 1 or sony slt or nex or Q, or m4/3 or regular Dslr or compact.. Good for you. All different tools.
Ha interesting to see so much discussion and debate.
Guys, even with the best cam, it doesn't matter if you can't shoot well. I still subscribe to the theory of whichever cam is with me when I feel like shooting is the best - and Ortega has infected me with iPhone + instagram!
Guys, even with the best cam, it doesn't matter if you can't shoot well. I still subscribe to the theory of whichever cam is with me when I feel like shooting is the best - and Ortega has infected me with iPhone + instagram!
Thanks for your reply.
My first point is geared towards concern of sales by some members here. I can relate this to fear in the m4/3 system that cannot compete on sales with the new Nikon system.
The key reason for my second point is because I do not see the critical questioning surfacing. Rather, I saw people mainly debating about NEX, FF and APS-C stuff than the 2 systems above.
My third point's reasoning is, instead of using some nasty words, I would say some mice are being attracted to cheese lay in traps by their enemies. If this is not clear enough, m4/3 users can continue to reply to irrelevant FF/NEX/APS-C debates which will span out of topic (and I will just laugh it out offline).
To be more objective, members can provide their opinions by providing the following information:
a) I am using XXX system and would be/not be interested in the new Nikon system, reason being.....
b) If I uses YYY system, I would be/not be interested in the new Nikon system, reason being.....
plus
I may be interested/more interested if Nikon changes/adds ....... to the system
In any case, its good to hv such vigorous discussions as long as it does not get personal. Forum etiquette must be maintained as well as proper language. The way i c it, the 4/3 forum without these threads is really boring now compared to before. Other than a few threads from people asking for help or asking about prices n availability on stuff, there is nothing else. What we lack are educational and such discussions which are stimulating. I can only surmise that this is due to us losing microcosm or a lot people already jump ship to other brands. So i thk threads in this forum should only be closed with great discretion.
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IMHO, Nikon 1 Vs Micro43 is similar to FourThirds Vs APS-C/FF.
It is a lens size, optical IQ, sensor size, sensor sensitivity trade off. Micro43 uses lens software correction for compactness and they chose larger sensors. Nikon has taken the purist approach that Olympus took with FourThirds. Personally I hope Nikon 1 will be a success.
It is a lens size, optical IQ, sensor size, sensor sensitivity trade off. Micro43 uses lens software correction for compactness and they chose larger sensors. Nikon has taken the purist approach that Olympus took with FourThirds. Personally I hope Nikon 1 will be a success.
NazgulKing
Senior Member
... Why are people discussing some matters with such ridiculous seriousness at all? It doesn't make any sense, and quite frankly, this is a forum about a damn hobby. If people are going go head over tails over some things said on of all places, the internet, then they really need to get a life.
Silencerkw
Member
dunno abt u guys man
i always look at photography as a hobby
see u guys argue till "face green green" like damn stress lidat
for me i juz hoot the best & comfortable cam my wallet allow me to, taking into consideration of the accessories like lens
hoot liao then go happily pew pew pics liao
dun even bother to think of what new model is coming
only look at what new lenses re available for my cam ;p
i always look at photography as a hobby
see u guys argue till "face green green" like damn stress lidat
for me i juz hoot the best & comfortable cam my wallet allow me to, taking into consideration of the accessories like lens
hoot liao then go happily pew pew pics liao
dun even bother to think of what new model is coming
only look at what new lenses re available for my cam ;p
cannedpineapples
New Member
haha i feel the same way. But for me, I am considering of getting a smaller cam for social situations. Sometimes it is not really 'socially appropriate' to take out a cam, even one of the m4/3 size. You need something pocketable. I doubt the Nikon 1 will be really pocketable though, which is a shame.
mabmy
Senior Member
Well.. specs aside, let's just give it a chance to prove it self in the market. I'm sure most of us agree that this product is meant to be targeted at certain specific consumers. Sure it may not look as pretty nor have the same sensor size as the Pens, but i'm sure its branding alone will push it up well in the market. Recently my cousin asked me what camera should she buy. I asked her back what does she want in a camera. The reply was simple, "oh must be C or N". There you go.. nothing related to specs for the normal consumers.
I'm very sure that Nikon will aggresively market the Nikon 1 just as they did for the rest of their cams. If that alone will not help in its sale, then i do not know what else will. Furthermore with the article release in today's Today newspaper, i'm sure it will pull more simple people to buy it for its branding and its "features".
Nikon-launches-worlds-smallest-interchangeable-lens-camera
So what do you think of this review? Look at its packed features! If you asked me, looks like its written by a fanboy but hey... every person is entitled to their own opinion right?
I'm very sure that Nikon will aggresively market the Nikon 1 just as they did for the rest of their cams. If that alone will not help in its sale, then i do not know what else will. Furthermore with the article release in today's Today newspaper, i'm sure it will pull more simple people to buy it for its branding and its "features".
Nikon-launches-worlds-smallest-interchangeable-lens-camera
So what do you think of this review? Look at its packed features! If you asked me, looks like its written by a fanboy but hey... every person is entitled to their own opinion right?
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