Next Camera to buy after C5050z?


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siaoon

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As u ppl know.. C5050z already discontinued, and C5060z housing rumored to have problem.. C8080z too many failure points..

so.. wat do u ppl recommend if someone wanna to get a camera for UW photography??

someone says canon A70, S70..
some says fuji F810..

anyone got more to recommend?

i tried handling F810.. which so called to be the next C5050z in other diving forum..
Noted some points as follow:

Pros:
- very min. Shutter Lag
- Compact
- Fuji super CCD sensor

cons:
- Proprietary Battery only
- Short battery life ( asked the shop owner.. says last around 1 hr)
- support only xD card
- card and battery compartment are the same.

Personnally, i dun think this is ready to replace our trustworthy c5050z ( supports multiple cards, using AA batteries,etc)

guess we got to wait again... :|
dun really like olympus after sales..

hopefully fuji can come out a killer fast fast.. hoho.. ;p
 

siaoon said:
As u ppl know.. C5050z already discontinued, and C5060z housing rumored to have problem.. C8080z too many failure points..

so.. wat do u ppl recommend if someone wanna to get a camera for UW photography??

someone says canon C70..
some says fuji F810..

anyone got more to recommend?

i tried handling F810.. which so called to be the next C5050z in other diving forum..
Noted some points as follow:

Pros:
- very min. Shutter Lag
- Compact
- Fuji super CCD sensor

cons:
- Proprietary Battery only
- Short battery life ( asked the shop owner.. says last around 1 hr)
- support only xD card
- card and battery compartment are the same.

Personnally, i dun think this is ready to replace our trustworthy c5050z ( supports multiple cards, using AA batteries,etc)

guess we got to wait again... :|
dun really like olympus after sales..

hopefully fuji can come out a killer fast fast.. hoho.. ;p

A70? :p


Anyway, I had been using C5060 with no problem. No housing was design to take rough treatment. Most complaints about it is the lense port, but mine is fine, cos I dun open it at all.

From my experience,
Pros:
- minimal Shutter Lag
- Proprietary Battery only but extremely long life, easily last me 2 days of diving.
- support xD/CF card
 

Siaoon, now u know why I cannot sell u my C-5050 ;)

There is really no suitable replacement at the moment. The next up will be a DSLR, but I already have that and I do not have the money to own a second DSLR rig simply as a backup. I only dive twice a year, if i get lucky.

Is the after sales service really so crappy? I guess all are the same as they are trying to deter u from repairing and encourage u to replace instead.

For all those who are looking for a digital camera either as a first time buyer or upgrader, read this. I wrote this yesterday in oxxxxe. :bsmilie: Adapted from my first installment.

All I want for X’mas is a New DC (digital camera)

Recently, I have the reasonable good fortune of a fellow diver offering to buy my back-up camera set-up. Since I would not be diving for at least the next 6 months, it seems an attractive proposition to get some good cash back and buy a new set-up 6 months down the road. Afterall, as with all electronics, there is considerable depreciation with age and technical advancement, regardless of mileage you get out of your rig.

I decided to check out the latest on offer last weekend, naturally excited to see what is on hand since my current camera, an Olympus C-5050z, has been discontinued.

Having been shooting digitally for a little more than a year, I have a pretty good idea of what I want in my new camera. I love the Olympus C-5050z, but I can make do with a few refinements. What I am looking for is a camera with similar functions and controls, but better colour output (pre Photoshop), less bulk and better video capability. Little did I expect the mammoth task at hand.

So if I, an “upgrader”, has great difficulty in choosing a digital camera for underwater photography, I am sure a newbie will face even greater dilema in making his/her first purchase. Furthermore, the proliferation of new models almost every month does not help the cause at all!

Hence, I decide to write down and share with anyone who is interested, my thought processes in deciding on a digital camera. Hopefully it can help in your decision making and make the experience a whole lot more enjoyable.

Budget
Don’t we all love the new, top of the line DLSR on offer? But we all have limited means to satisfy our insatiable needs. Generally, a 3 mp DC will be more than great for a 4R printout. Of course, if u need to crop a lot of your picture, it would be a different story. Also, an in-house housing (Canon, Olympus, Sony, Fujifilm, etc) will be much cheaper than a 3rd-party housing (e.g. Ikelite, 10 Bar, Tetra, etc).

Controls
Because of the tricky underwater conditions, you would want a DC with full manual control (shutter speed and aperture). If set to default, the camera will almost always set itself to f2.8 (or whichever its widest aperture), giving you too shallow a depth of field.

Functions
Manual white-balance and ISO settings are two very under-rated and under-used functions. Especially in low light conditions, increasing the ISO will help tremendously given the low noise in DC. Some DCs also allow pre-saved settings which is useful for uwp and some have better video resolution than others. A great advantage of the DC is the ability to switch to video mode underwater.


General Usage
If you are looking for a general travel DC with the occasional underwater use, the program mode dials may be an attractive feature. Hence you should buy a DC which suits your “land” needs rather than your “underwater” requirements.

Power Options
Dedicated rechargeable lithiums last longer, but rechargeable Nimh batteries are cheaper and can be replaced with alkali batteries in times of emergencies. You can also share them with your other electronic gadgets.

Memory Storage Options
CF cards are more popular and cheaper in terms of per unit cost. Note some memory cards have limited max capacity, such as the smart media and xD cards. Some gadgets which you currently own may limit your choice of DCs to those using the same storage media.

Compatibility with existing equipment
If you were a film user switching into digital, there may be some accessories which you want to export into the new medium, such as add-on lenses, etc. Hence do make sure the new housing / camera is compatible.

Ergonomics
Does it work right, feel right and most importantly, look right? Will it be too big to handle / transport? The Olympus C-8080 in a housing is massive and may be difficult to handle for a female diver.

Attachment Fittings
Possibility of adding strobes, add-on lens and other accessories. Not all housing will fit all accessories available in the market place. Some will require additional adapters and hence, additional costs.

The list is of course non-exhaustive but I hope by answering the questions above, you will have a better idea of which digital camera to get. As for me, I have yet to find one which has all the functions of the Olympus C-5050, but is smaller, has nicer colour output and with better video capturing resolution.

“Anything remotely close?” you may ask.

I almost settle on the Fujifilm F810. Too bad it uses the xD card (max of 512 mb) and Fujifilm’s own dedicated rechargeable lithium, which has a rather short battery life.

Perfection, afterall, does not really exist. I guess I’ll stick with my C-5050z for the time being.

Eric
copyright@2004
 

:thumbsup: well said eric!

My personal wishlist: 5+mp, sub S$1k price, CF card, vga video/30fps, 28mm, 4xAA batteries, large lcd, cheap (manufacturer's brand) housing.

Hmm... actually, except for the (IMHO) stupid oly housing design, the 5060 is quite a good camera - 5mp (sufficient), 28mm, vga video/15fps, long battery life, good lcd, CF CARD!!

One other choice is the S70 (with highly rated 7mp sensor, 28mm) but has dubious battery life and vga video at only 10fps. Good for pple who shoot 95% still shots and the very occasional video clip.

Or A95 (5mp, CF, 4xAA batteries, vga/10fps) - & relatively CHEAP!
 

kng said:
:thumbsup: well said eric!

My personal wishlist: 5+mp, sub S$1k price, CF card, vga video/30fps, 28mm, 4xAA batteries, large lcd, cheap (manufacturer's brand) housing.

Hmm... actually, except for the (IMHO) stupid oly housing design, the 5060 is quite a good camera - 5mp (sufficient), 28mm, vga video/15fps, long battery life, good lcd, CF CARD!!

One other choice is the S70 (with highly rated 7mp sensor, 28mm) but has dubious battery life and vga video at only 10fps. Good for pple who shoot 95% still shots and the very occasional video clip.

Or A95 (5mp, CF, 4xAA batteries, vga/10fps) - & relatively CHEAP!


hmmm....
not being defensive over an item or what....
I just find it unfair to comment on a item you had not even touch before. As mentioned, I had been using it for a year and there were no apparent problems. One of the guy I knew quite well broke the pins, but it is due to his fault for "dropping" the WAL lense....
 

Goondoo said:
hmmm....
not being defensive over an item or what....
I just find it unfair to comment on a item you had not even touch before. As mentioned, I had been using it for a year and there were no apparent problems. One of the guy I knew quite well broke the pins, but it is due to his fault for "dropping" the WAL lense....
Apologies - no offence to users of the 5060 housing. To set my comment in context, two friends of mine flooded their 5060's through the front port, through no apparent fault of theirs. The flip side of the coin is that Oly Spore replaced their 5060s and housings for free.
 

Goondoo said:
hmmm....
not being defensive over an item or what....
I just find it unfair to comment on a item you had not even touch before. As mentioned, I had been using it for a year and there were no apparent problems. One of the guy I knew quite well broke the pins, but it is due to his fault for "dropping" the WAL lense....


Err.....i have never used the Sunpak G-Flash, but I never like it.

* quickly run away and let Goondoo defend his fav strobes *

To be fair, they are ok for macro, but just not wide enough for wide angle, even with 2 of them. Never use them , but have seen pics taken with them.

btw, since u like your 5060 so much, y house the 300D? saw yr question in another forum. world very small lah. :sweat:
 

kthan said:
Siaoon, now u know why I cannot sell u my C-5050 ;)

There is really no suitable replacement at the moment. The next up will be a DSLR, but I already have that and I do not have the money to own a second DSLR rig simply as a backup. I only dive twice a year, if i get lucky.

Is the after sales service really so crappy? I guess all are the same as they are trying to deter u from repairing and encourage u to replace instead.

For all those who are looking for a digital camera either as a first time buyer or upgrader, read this. I wrote this yesterday in oxxxxe. :bsmilie: Adapted from my first installment.

All I want for X’mas is a New DC (digital camera)

Recently, I have the reasonable good fortune of a fellow diver offering to buy my back-up camera set-up. Since I would not be diving for at least the next 6 months, it seems an attractive proposition to get some good cash back and buy a new set-up 6 months down the road. Afterall, as with all electronics, there is considerable depreciation with age and technical advancement, regardless of mileage you get out of your rig.

I decided to check out the latest on offer last weekend, naturally excited to see what is on hand since my current camera, an Olympus C-5050z, has been discontinued.

Having been shooting digitally for a little more than a year, I have a pretty good idea of what I want in my new camera. I love the Olympus C-5050z, but I can make do with a few refinements. What I am looking for is a camera with similar functions and controls, but better colour output (pre Photoshop), less bulk and better video capability. Little did I expect the mammoth task at hand.

So if I, an “upgrader”, has great difficulty in choosing a digital camera for underwater photography, I am sure a newbie will face even greater dilema in making his/her first purchase. Furthermore, the proliferation of new models almost every month does not help the cause at all!

Hence, I decide to write down and share with anyone who is interested, my thought processes in deciding on a digital camera. Hopefully it can help in your decision making and make the experience a whole lot more enjoyable.

Budget
Don’t we all love the new, top of the line DLSR on offer? But we all have limited means to satisfy our insatiable needs. Generally, a 3 mp DC will be more than great for a 4R printout. Of course, if u need to crop a lot of your picture, it would be a different story. Also, an in-house housing (Canon, Olympus, Sony, Fujifilm, etc) will be much cheaper than a 3rd-party housing (e.g. Ikelite, 10 Bar, Tetra, etc).

Controls
Because of the tricky underwater conditions, you would want a DC with full manual control (shutter speed and aperture). If set to default, the camera will almost always set itself to f2.8 (or whichever its widest aperture), giving you too shallow a depth of field.

Functions
Manual white-balance and ISO settings are two very under-rated and under-used functions. Especially in low light conditions, increasing the ISO will help tremendously given the low noise in DC. Some DCs also allow pre-saved settings which is useful for uwp and some have better video resolution than others. A great advantage of the DC is the ability to switch to video mode underwater.


General Usage
If you are looking for a general travel DC with the occasional underwater use, the program mode dials may be an attractive feature. Hence you should buy a DC which suits your “land” needs rather than your “underwater” requirements.

Power Options
Dedicated rechargeable lithiums last longer, but rechargeable Nimh batteries are cheaper and can be replaced with alkali batteries in times of emergencies. You can also share them with your other electronic gadgets.

Memory Storage Options
CF cards are more popular and cheaper in terms of per unit cost. Note some memory cards have limited max capacity, such as the smart media and xD cards. Some gadgets which you currently own may limit your choice of DCs to those using the same storage media.

Compatibility with existing equipment
If you were a film user switching into digital, there may be some accessories which you want to export into the new medium, such as add-on lenses, etc. Hence do make sure the new housing / camera is compatible.

Ergonomics
Does it work right, feel right and most importantly, look right? Will it be too big to handle / transport? The Olympus C-8080 in a housing is massive and may be difficult to handle for a female diver.

Attachment Fittings
Possibility of adding strobes, add-on lens and other accessories. Not all housing will fit all accessories available in the market place. Some will require additional adapters and hence, additional costs.

The list is of course non-exhaustive but I hope by answering the questions above, you will have a better idea of which digital camera to get. As for me, I have yet to find one which has all the functions of the Olympus C-5050, but is smaller, has nicer colour output and with better video capturing resolution.

“Anything remotely close?” you may ask.

I almost settle on the Fujifilm F810. Too bad it uses the xD card (max of 512 mb) and Fujifilm’s own dedicated rechargeable lithium, which has a rather short battery life.

Perfection, afterall, does not really exist. I guess I’ll stick with my C-5050z for the time being.

Eric
copyright@2004

Wonderful Reply Eric, Care to post this into Interesting articles.

Cheers
 

kthan said:
Err.....i have never used the Sunpak G-Flash, but I never like it.

* quickly run away and let Goondoo defend his fav strobes *

To be fair, they are ok for macro, but just not wide enough for wide angle, even with 2 of them. Never use them , but have seen pics taken with them.

btw, since u like your 5060 so much, y house the 300D? saw yr question in another forum. world very small lah. :sweat:

I wouldn't really say it is my favourite strobe. If I make as much money as you monthly, I would probably be getting something better with TTL what-so-ever.

The C5060 is supposely wide enough for land photography, however, when in underwater, it is wider than C5050. However, if you add a WAL lense, you will need to zoom in a little, which is about equipvalent to a C-5050, go check it out.

I am not yet housing my 300D.... I am buying a macro lense for land macro shooting butts (aka butterflies :P). However, incase I will be housing it, I wouldn't one to buy another piece of macro lense purely for diving, which is why I posted my question in Wetpixel. Incase you dunno, I had been shooting butts with my 300D for sometime already.
 

kng said:
Apologies - no offence to users of the 5060 housing. To set my comment in context, two friends of mine flooded their 5060's through the front port, through no apparent fault of theirs. The flip side of the coin is that Oly Spore replaced their 5060s and housings for free.

I knew someone whom flooded his A70 and another that just recently flooded his C5050 too :D....

If the whole housing crack underwater, it is the manufacturer fault. Hence, anything I could check, it is negligence if I didn't.
 

Goondoo said:
I knew someone whom flooded his A70 and another that just recently flooded his C5050 too :D....

If the whole housing crack underwater, it is the manufacturer fault. Hence, anything I could check, it is negligence if I didn't.

hey i never say anything ok! :D

would have bought a 5060 if i didn't have found a replacement. its as close as it could have get to a 5050.
 

Goondoo said:
I knew someone whom flooded his A70 and another that just recently flooded his C5050 too :D....

If the whole housing crack underwater, it is the manufacturer fault. Hence, anything I could check, it is negligence if I didn't.


Ouch!
sorry if it hurts....
Happy mods?
 

I would hope for us to have a light-hearted yet constructive sub-forum. It will depend on all of the forum members to help make it happen.

Let's be more tactful when we post next time. We ARE matured individuals.
This will NOT be a blatant forum true to CS's direction.

It will be such a waste to have to close this thread off, if it get's out of hand. Especially when it has been so helpful to all, browsers and contributers.

Let's be objective in our posts.

Cheers
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Goondoo said:
I wouldn't really say it is my favourite strobe. If I make as much money as you monthly, I would probably be getting something better with TTL what-so-ever.

TTL is passe. Now manual strobes are the in thing.

BTW it has got ntg to do with how much i make. I spend less on diving (gears + travel) than a lot of u fellas here. It's the person behind the viewfinder that matters.
 

kthan said:
TTL is passe. Now manual strobes are the in thing.

BTW it has got ntg to do with how much i make. I spend less on diving (gears + travel) than a lot of u fellas here. It's the person behind the viewfinder that matters.

Ok, i sux, I just started this hobby not long anyway :P

Hey! I'm cool, just happened to know you make more than me :D.... who dun anyway, cos I just made myself officially unemployed after resigning before finding a job.

If in anyway I offend anyone, please accept my humble apologies....

Siaoon,
I still think Sunpak is a good budgeted strobe, despite kthan keep suaning me.
1) it comes with a fixed arm and tray (save u some cost here and you can ask song to help you get a relative good arms to extend the range and flexibility at quite a low cost compared to UL or Inon, for those whom had dived with Gildow, its the arm he is using.)
2) slave sensor more sensitive than epoque strobe - I wanted to buy a epoque as my 2nd strobe, however, while testing, only 2 sunpak strobe works together (I didnt test the double fibre cable holder then). Thus I ended up with 2 sunpak. Reason for me selling it, I wanted to mount a aiming light on the camera bigger than the small pathetic UK LED im using now.)
3) It has a guide number range larger than epoque. Useful when u are taking Close up wide angle.
4) It looks much better than the epoque strobes.

Hope this clear your doubts.
 

Goondoo said:
Reason for me selling it, I wanted to mount a aiming light on the camera bigger than the small pathetic UK LED im using now.)

Siaoon, another good reason : Goondo selling his. u can get it cheaper second hand now.

hey, i am a supporter of the Sunpak too....go read my posts. I said i never like it, but i did tell people to buy it if they are on a budget. it's half the price of the Inons and Ikelites and Sea&Sea.
 

kthan said:
Siaoon, another good reason : Goondo selling his. u can get it cheaper second hand now.

hey, i am a supporter of the Sunpak too....go read my posts. I said i never like it, but i did tell people to buy it if they are on a budget. it's half the price of the Inons and Ikelites and Sea&Sea.



yea yea yea.... your 1st and 2nd sentence already confused me, and u still a supporter.....
 

kthan said:
Siaoon, another good reason : Goondo selling his. u can get it cheaper second hand now.

hey, i am a supporter of the Sunpak too....go read my posts. I said i never like it, but i did tell people to buy it if they are on a budget. it's half the price of the Inons and Ikelites and Sea&Sea.

yeah yeah.. in fact, kthan encouraged me to get a epoque/sunpak strobe first, play enough with it in macro before i invest in a bigger better strobe, and use the smaller strobe as fill in

*so you selling???* ;)
 

beivied said:
yeah yeah.. in fact, kthan encouraged me to get a epoque/sunpak strobe first, play enough with it in macro before i invest in a bigger better strobe, and use the smaller strobe as fill in

*so you selling???* ;)
Goondoo, can I queue for the 2nd sunpak strobe (strobe only, no need arm/tray)? I chia you kopi. ;)
 

kng said:
Goondoo, can I queue for the 2nd sunpak strobe (strobe only, no need arm/tray)? I chia you kopi. ;)


wa lao, briiiibbbberyyyyy... :nono: :bsmilie:
 

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