New Final Cut Pro X

[jasonjoseph]

http://vimeo.com/22341718

Game changer? or merely stealing best parts of various NLEs and putting it into one cheap package.

I see a lil Vegas, Premiere, Avid in this new final cut

Thoughts?

 

[Bamboopictures]

Much much better than the competition! I almost jizzed when I saw the price. Thanks so much for the post!

 

[engr]

Yup.. i noticed a few Vegas tips in there but convergence would happen eventually. Now the question lies in whether BR would finally be supported or not. Price is definitely sweet. I'm especially attached to the one touch colour grading matching. How well it works in real life would be interesting!

 

[tengo]

I have been using all 3 - Final Cut Pro, Avid and Premiere Pro... and come to realise that maybe the reason why people like FCP is because of its intuitive operations and ease of use. One can slowly pick up FCP without ever using a manual or book. Press a button or drag an effect and explore its purpose... But in Avid, it seems like some functions are never discovered unless you read a book or go through training. Premiere Pro is catching up with FCP in this regard but earlier versions up to CS4 feels somewhat less professional. Vegas just feels different from all the rest. I just don't like the Vegas interface but it's my personal opinion plus many have stood by it.

Let's hope FCP remains the most popular for its original strengths. Seems like still the case from the previews...

 

[XsenseX]

Seems like Imovie simplicity but with much more goodies and effects ...

Finally FC is learning from its brother, imovie to make its software less techie looking + straight forward. Its like imovie PRO!

I'm currently stuck with the simplicity of imovie but the powerful system on FCP.
(I'm SO excited with the 'auto sync' of dslr audio + recorded audio)

Finally, the best of both worlds. Will get it once its out in June. Hope it doesn't disappoint.

 

[iunspoken]

in more for the features than anything else. I can't stand 32-bit editing, that's like years backdated.

though I can't say I like the new UI much. While it looks simplistic and iMovie-ish, there should be a difference between a pro product, and one that's for newbies..

in other words, spoil market.

 

[chrisyeong]

FCP DEGENERATED! LIKE IMovie! waHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[XsenseX]

in more for the features than anything else. I can't stand 32-bit editing, that's like years backdated.

though I can't say I like the new UI much. While it looks simplistic and iMovie-ish, there should be a difference between a pro product, and one that's for newbies..

in other words, spoil market.

Ehmm ...

1. Its 64 bit leh bro.

2. What does looks on the platform has to do with Pro or Newbies product. I thought all editing gurus care more on the system & functionality then the looks.
Have you tried imovie 11? The thumbnail raw file scrubbing is a big reason why i'm using imovie (as to FCP) for those projects that are very tight in dateline.
For example, shifting of audio level, sticky audio are all available on imovie long ago and it makes editing easier. WHY should the 'PRO' system be any harder?

3. Spoil market because it will allow more newbies to pick up editing? A typical Singapore education mindset. If the newbies are using FCP X, we editors must work even harder and reinvent new ideas that will bring editing to a new level. And that should be the way forward. Not hoping for a 'hard to use' platform that discourage people to pick up.
Yes, some editors will lose their jobs because things will get easier (like last time still got good market for pro photo editor, now everyone can use photoshop and even aperture) but those who lose jobs ain't working hard enough and deserve to go because this is the only way to push our film making industry to the next level.

BUT, end of the day. Its about the passion to make good movies/films and having the fastest and easiest way to do it. Newbies using Pro equipment doesn't mean anything.

Just the other day when i was shooting a wedding. The hired photographer only had a D700. One of the couple's friend came with a few Nikon D3s & a couple of lightings + many top range lens. (Easily 20-25k) but he showed his shots and the lighting effect cast shadows on the guest face and i think even a compact S95 can do better. Showing that having lots of money on pro equipment doesn't mean anything at all.

 

[Redsun]

Ehmm ...

1. Its 64 bit leh bro.

2. What does looks on the platform has to do with Pro or Newbies product. I thought all editing gurus care more on the system & functionality then the looks.
Have you tried imovie 11? The thumbnail raw file scrubbing is a big reason why i'm using imovie (as to FCP) for those projects that are very tight in dateline.
For example, shifting of audio level, sticky audio are all available on imovie long ago and it makes editing easier. WHY should the 'PRO' system be any harder?

3. Spoil market because it will allow more newbies to pick up editing? A typical Singapore education mindset. If the newbies are using FCP X, we editors must work even harder and reinvent new ideas that will bring editing to a new level. And that should be the way forward. Not hoping for a 'hard to use' platform that discourage people to pick up.
Yes, some editors will lose their jobs because things will get easier (like last time still got good market for pro photo editor, now everyone can use photoshop and even aperture) but those who lose jobs ain't working hard enough and deserve to go because this is the only way to push our film making industry to the next level.

BUT, end of the day. Its about the passion to make good movies/films and having the fastest and easiest way to do it. Newbies using Pro equipment doesn't mean anything.

Just the other day when i was shooting a wedding. The hired photographer only had a D700. One of the couple's friend came with a few Nikon D3s & a couple of lightings + many top range lens. (Easily 20-25k) but he showed his shots and the lighting effect cast shadows on the guest face and i think even a compact S95 can do better. Showing that having lots of money on pro equipment doesn't mean anything at all.

yea i agree
the new final cut pro X looks much easier to pick up

 

[iunspoken]

Ehmm ...

1. Its 64 bit leh bro.

2. What does looks on the platform has to do with Pro or Newbies product. I thought all editing gurus care more on the system & functionality then the looks.
Have you tried imovie 11? The thumbnail raw file scrubbing is a big reason why i'm using imovie (as to FCP) for those projects that are very tight in dateline.
For example, shifting of audio level, sticky audio are all available on imovie long ago and it makes editing easier. WHY should the 'PRO' system be any harder?

3. Spoil market because it will allow more newbies to pick up editing? A typical Singapore education mindset. If the newbies are using FCP X, we editors must work even harder and reinvent new ideas that will bring editing to a new level. And that should be the way forward. Not hoping for a 'hard to use' platform that discourage people to pick up.
Yes, some editors will lose their jobs because things will get easier (like last time still got good market for pro photo editor, now everyone can use photoshop and even aperture) but those who lose jobs ain't working hard enough and deserve to go because this is the only way to push our film making industry to the next level.

BUT, end of the day. Its about the passion to make good movies/films and having the fastest and easiest way to do it. Newbies using Pro equipment doesn't mean anything.

Just the other day when i was shooting a wedding. The hired photographer only had a D700. One of the couple's friend came with a few Nikon D3s & a couple of lightings + many top range lens. (Easily 20-25k) but he showed his shots and the lighting effect cast shadows on the guest face and i think even a compact S95 can do better. Showing that having lots of money on pro equipment doesn't mean anything at all.

32-bit referring to the current versions of fcp..

reasoning is true... though there still has to be a segregation of consumer and prosumer products. you won't want someone spoiling the market with a $300 video that he created with templates.. that's bs... it's not that the platform should be hard to use, but should provide enough customization when a user needs it...

ever thought why avid is still the best editing platform even though their UI looks like ****....

 

[XsenseX]

Totally agree on the segregation and pricing level actually. The max out pro version should have a powerful inbuilt color correction & magic bullet looks type of filter + maybe thousands updatable of sound loops. And it comes with monthly subscription. So those buy the base version will have all the important features but lack the support/update compared to the pro.

 

[Blade777]

FCP X looks more like 'masa masa' toy

 

[Confaderal]

FCP X doesnt support EDL's and a few native format encoding. It doesn't export to a large array of industry output formats which we are used to. It cannot read legacy fcp workfiles. It's basically a 'sandbox' editing software. You can't go to an online editing suite after you have done your offline edits on fcp.

But...it's easier and more intuitive. FCPX is clearcut and idiot proof. You don't need to have a knowledge of what sequence format settings anymore as fcp does background rendering to make the file, edit-friendly.

...But as long as it stays a 'sandbox' editing software, it can't be looked upon as a serious editing tool. At the moment, it's still a toy.

P.S. Read up my blog, fadlywychowvski.blogspot.com btw! =]

 

[chrisyeong]

End of FCP. It's a crappy software anyway, only good is it's freaking cheap and amatureish enough for newbies drag and drop mentality. Comparing Prores and Dnx, MC's has a far more superior and stabler codec. Guess Apple's sick of the 'PROS' whinning about this/that not good enough so he gave u 'X' to shut up, telling u whinners - we're done here, screw u. Better off selling iphones and ipads.

 

[sibeiblur]

End of FCP. It's a crappy software anyway, only good is it's freaking cheap and amatureish enough for newbies drag and drop mentality. Comparing Prores and Dnx, MC's has a far more superior and stabler codec. Guess Apple's sick of the 'PROS' whinning about this/that not good enough so he gave u 'X' to shut up, telling u whinners - we're done here, screw u. Better off selling iphones and ipads.

Crappy? Amateurish? I reckoned you must have live in the cave for too long.
Every NLE will have it's pros and cons, whether it's the new FCPX or AVID. And yes, I use both FCP and Avid NLE professionally.

There are many Production companies, Broadcaster, Cable Network around the world that use FCP NLE on a daily basis to edit On Air Promos, TVC, TV Programmes etc etc. And if you ever bother to come out of your cave to watch a movie, you will also know that FCP is regularly used for feature films.
If the above is still crappy and amateurish to you, your standard must be really high. So I would suggest you either back it up or shut up.

Many FCP users/owners produce quality work and make a decent living with it. Please do not come out and insult FCP users with your Avid fanboy mentality. You better thank the freaking cheap FCP for making Avid to lower their ridiculous pricing.
Just for your info, with the launch of FCPX, Avid is also offering FCP user to crossover to Avid MC 5.5 with a 50%. discount. Now why Avid bother to 'cheapened' themselves and target this crappy FCP software use by a group of amateur newbies? Sorry for the rant, I hate fanboy...

 

[Confaderal]

Now now everyone. We're all adults here

...and 'sibeiblur', be nice...you almost could sound like a fanboy yourself

 

[XsenseX]

I'm seriously puzzled why would anyone say FCP is a crappy software ... Its used around the world on multi million dollar productions (don't even get me started on naming those)

Its just a preference and AVID is really strong too so its really up to your usage, work environment and pref.

FCPX is just like Tiger, Leopard and Lion when it started. Give it 5-6 revisions and we'll be fine bro.

 

[sibeiblur]

Now now everyone. We're all adults here

...and 'sibeiblur', be nice...you almost could sound like a fanboy yourself

Me, fanboy? Did I not state in my post that both NLE has it's pros and cons and I use both FCP and Avid professionally.
I will be a FCP or Avid fanboy if only the software can make me coffee and toast every morning before my edit session

 

[chrisyeong]

hee hee hee, luv these

 

[xray]

I've been using FCP for a long time now and FCP X seems like a step backward in almost all cases. It's going to be so difficult to work on projects where you have tens or hundreds of hours of footage because of the new UI and filing structure. There's no way to organise your media other than by 'Events'.

It's great as a better version of iMovie, but pales in comparison with FCP because it's been stripped of everything 'Pro'.