My Negative Experience at TK Foto Today.


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shmuckerz

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Hi, so I am not in the habit of writing negative reviews, however today I make an exception.

The Background:
For some background, I am 21 years old and only recently into photography. Although I do have some knowledge of lens/equipment it certainly isn't extensive.

My uncle who is very much into wildlife photography wanted to upgrade his current Nikon 80-400 to the recently released AF-S NIKKOR 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6 G ED VR. He couldn't buy it where he lives and asked me to purchase one for him. I did do some research into the lens, called up multiple shops to get quotes, I decided to go to TK Foto because it has such a good reputation here on ClubSnap.

What happened:
Well I went to TK Foto this afternoon and asked if they had any stock of the Nikon 80-400mm Vr2. I very specifically stated the Vr2. The man behind the counter said yes and took a box off the shelf. The price was ~$3300, close to stated market price. It all looked okay. I once again confirmed with him that it was the Vr2 and he very confidently said yes. I asked him when it came out and was told 5 months ago, this again fit with in with the time frame of when the lens was released.

Now the problem started when I told him I wanted to try the lens on my D5200. He put it on the camera and couldn't work out why it wasn't focusing. After him and a number of other staff couldn't figure out why it wasn't Auto Focusing one of them suddenly realised that it was a AF NIKKOR 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6 D ED VR lens. A 'D' lens, therefore didn't have a inbuilt motor. When I asked him if this was the newest one, he again said yes it was. I asked him if it was the Vr2 G and he said he hadn't heard of this lens before (a photo store staff member that doesn't know about a professional level Nikon lens that came out several months ago?). It was only after I showed him a webpage with a review on the Vr2 that he acknowledged its existence, telling me that the lens was not available in Singapore.

Why I am NOT okay with this:
Now I am fine with him making a mistake. However when I asked him if there was a Vr2 lens he told me he hadn't heard about it and this was the only Nikon 80-400mm that was out on the market and in Singapore. Furthermore, this older version of the lens was priced at ~$3300.

Now I don't like to make assumptions and I want to give TK Foto the benefit of the doubt that they made an honest mistake. However I can't help but feel they tried to cheat me into purchasing the older version of the lens whilst telling me it was in fact the latest version. That would have been a several thousand dollar mistake.

The only difference between the Vr and the Vr2 on the box it states AF-S and G on the new lens, instead of AF and D on the old lens. If in fact the staff at TK Foto knew this difference; they as professionals certainly should, it would have meant that they were knowingly trying to pawn off an old Vr1 to me at the price of a Vr2.

I understand this is partially my fault as well as I should have been more sure in myself that the Vr2 was definitely in existence. However as someone who is new to photography and hasn't spent a lot of time around such equipment the differences between them are quite minute, therefore I expect the staff at any store I go to (especially one as reputable as TK Foto!) to give me the right information and not take advantage of my lack of knowledge.

Happy Ending (not the dirty kind):
Well after that debacle I was under the impression the lens was in-fact not available in Singapore. As I was on my way down I thought I would just have one last shot at AlanPhoto and was told they had the lens. After confirming and reconfirming that it was in fact the AF-S NIKKOR 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6 G ED VR. I purchased the lens for ~$3300 and was happy with the purchase.

To conclude, I am glad I went through this. It was an eye opening experience that took me very close to make a mistake worth a few thousand dollars (as a student, that is a lot of money). TK Foto, you likely don't care, but you have certainly lost me as a customer.

Note: I am not trying to defame TK Foto, however I want others to be aware of the mistake that I very nearly made.
 

I had my fair share of TK Foto bad experience.

Richard is a nice guy but not all the staffs are. Most of them rude.

In its previous premise (at Beach Road), i wanted to buy a tripod. Ok, admittedly i am in my slippers and shorts most of the time.

I took an expensive tripod and was trying to test the load.

The salesman came up to me and asked me what camera am i using it for? I mentioned my Nikon D90 (and not my Hasselblad H3D-39). He snatched the tripod in front of me and placed it back to the tripod area. He then said, "That one is for Pro". He took a tiny winy tripod and put it in front of me and said, "You use this!"

OMG! What a person!

What to do except to eat the humble pie?

God asks us to forgive one another... sigh...
 

Actually, you jumped from the frying pan into the fire.
Alan Photo (Funan) does not have a stellar reputation either. I have never bought anything from them.
Camera salesmen are not angels. There are also not president scholars who score straight As all their school life.
They are camera salesmen because they cannot be a lawyer or doctor or engineer.
Sometimes, they are not stupid, as in not having product knowledge. But they have to sell according to the instructions given to them by the boss.

Shops in Funan do not care whether they lose any ordinary person as a customer. It is the tyranny of statistics. You are just one out of millions.
What do they care if you never buy from them again? They don't. So your rant in CS is just for letting off steam.

If I am not mistaken, the 2 lenses look different. So you can tell in 1/3 second. No need for the long talk with the salesman.

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Sorry to hear about that negative experience.

As always, do your homework before buying, salesmen are always interested in sales, customer's happiness is second. I personally don't think TK Foto is the sort to try to rip off customers (or at least they have not tried with me), but I always remember the time Alan Photo Funan tried to sell me a lens at $900 and even laughed when I told them that other shops were quoting $700+. So.. This time round the tables are turned for you. It never hurts to be careful and take some additional time to check out the market price and details, especially when huge sums of money are involved.

Cheers.
 

these are examples of poor salesman -ship.

anyway why Nikon so confusing... other brands easier.

Jace Photo - terrible to hear of this. a really good sales person would have closed the sale immediately
 

My NS days have taught me one useful thing:
"Always ensure"... so check your purchases in case of any errors / disputes..
 

He snatched the tripod in front of me and placed it back to the tripod area. He then said, "That one is for Pro". He took a tiny winy tripod and put it in front of me and said, "You use this!"

TS, was it real? I thought 狗眼看人低 only found in the movies / drama series.
 

TS, was it real? I thought 狗眼看人低 only found in the movies / drama series.

Actually in CS too. If a member deems that you have no money, then you are considered bo lui and not supposed to talk c*ck sing song for free in the thread for an expensive brand in CS.

When I mentioned it to a friend, he laughed and said what is the cost of a few Leicas and lenses, for one to become so haughty.
 

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Moving this to consumer's corner
 

Nothing new.....I bought my 24-70mm f2.8 M2 from TK in Dec 2012...and in Feb 2013, wanting to buy Canon 6D .....walked in, asked them whether can i try the 6D. Straight they said no and give me a blank stare.....I say ok....turn around and walk to Click. Same question and Click happily pulled out their 6D . 10mins later - paid Click and collect my brand new (then) 6D.

Strange thing is I asked from the same guy that i brought my lens from in TK........
 

It is not a surprise that you have a negative experience at TK. When the company grow it has to hire newer people, newer people have less experience, different values, etc. So it is possible to have a service failure.
I used to be always served by the boss of TK, but over time he gets busier and I get served by new staff that don't know me and may not know the products well. I still like to patronize TK (and a few others like Cathay) because I think TK is still an ethical company, unlike the most you see at Sim Lim, etc. My only advice is that we need to be more careful when we purchase things from any company. Just my 2 cents.
 

I had my fair share of TK Foto bad experience.

Richard is a nice guy but not all the staffs are. Most of them rude.

In its previous premise (at Beach Road), i wanted to buy a tripod. Ok, admittedly i am in my slippers and shorts most of the time.

I took an expensive tripod and was trying to test the load.

The salesman came up to me and asked me what camera am i using it for? I mentioned my Nikon D90 (and not my Hasselblad H3D-39). He snatched the tripod in front of me and placed it back to the tripod area. He then said, "That one is for Pro". He took a tiny winy tripod and put it in front of me and said, "You use this!"

OMG! What a person!

What to do except to eat the humble pie?

God asks us to forgive one another... sigh...

I had similar experience with you. Most of them were rude.
I only purchased twice there and never go back.
There are lot of shops out there with similar price but much better customer service.
 

Act like a pro and no one will chop u .. talk with uncertainty and all will chop u.
 

Nothing new.....I bought my 24-70mm f2.8 M2 from TK in Dec 2012...and in Feb 2013, wanting to buy Canon 6D .....walked in, asked them whether can i try the 6D. Straight they said no and give me a blank stare.....I say ok....turn around and walk to Click. Same question and Click happily pulled out their 6D . 10mins later - paid Click and collect my brand new (then) 6D.

Strange thing is I asked from the same guy that i brought my lens from in TK........

They have no spare camera for testing .. u have yo understand. At least u can be sure the cam they are selling is not a test set for ppl.

Maybe its the way the communicate .. actually if they put it nicely I am sure u will still buy from them.
 

I have no problems dealing with TK. Usual folks I go to are Richard and David.
 

these are examples of poor salesman -ship.

anyway why Nikon so confusing... other brands easier.

Jace Photo - terrible to hear of this. a really good sales person would have closed the sale immediately

yeah lor.

TS, was it real? I thought 狗眼看人低 only found in the movies / drama series.

real like for, maybe drama series shld do a theme base on camera shops. haha
 

They have no spare camera for testing .. u have yo understand. At least u can be sure the cam they are selling is not a test set for ppl.

Maybe its the way the communicate .. actually if they put it nicely I am sure u will still buy from them.

Being in the line, they should know better. If I just want to main main, i may as well go to VIVO Canon center and try till my finger become sore. The point is, they don't even care to explain and ask follow up question on why i am interested to test! If they have done so, i would have told them that i am ready to buy.....but no...just a blank stare - as good as telling me to bugger off and don't waste their time.
 

My take on our sales industry is that most are not aware of developments in the product industry or conversant with the product they are selling.

It's just: item A, price A. If there's commission, the sales person will do their thing. There's no love in what they sell and will quite happily jump to product B and sing a different tune if it offers more returns.

To most if not all, it's just a job that ends at end of the day.
 

You are not their only customer, and they are not the only camera shop. One doesn't depend on other to live.

So, best is still do proper homework before you walk down to any shop. With technology advancement, customers have too many options even a seasoned salesman can make mistake. He could be trying to protect his ego for giving wrong info in the first place.
 

I get the least respect shopping because I am always in T shirts and short. This Ah Pek just see for fun, I think that is the general thought.

I am OK with that but when I want something, I do ask to be shown. Sometimes I do encounter nasty sale person and If I just feel being nasty that day, I will insist of trying even I am not buying. Most times, I just move on and spend my money on those who want them. I am happy, they are happy.

So take it easy, they lost an opportunity and you found what you want.
 

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