Monobeauty/bobman/ erobeau.com

[night86mare]

ok, thanks for the time taken to clarify.

really appreciate it.

 

[pinkyg]

OK club snap - I have shown the receipts here on the site and still have had nothing from Bob Bearing in mind I gave them to him in person and he ripped them up!!!. He agreed to pay all my expenses why would I agree to do the job at cost to me?!? So we are clear this man is LIAR and a cheat beware models - Don't risk it! Also other information regarding his personal conduct towards models available on request just drop me a mail - this is regarding models safety

 

[eow]

OK club snap - I have shown the receipts here on the site and still have had nothing from Bob Bearing in mind I gave them to him in person and he ripped them up!!!. He agreed to pay all my expenses why would I agree to do the job at cost to me?!? So we are clear this man is LIAR and a cheat beware models - Don't risk it! Also other information regarding his personal conduct towards models available on request just drop me a mail - this is regarding models safety

Tks pinkyg for the warning..however due to his supernatural power..billy bob will still conducting his workshop.....it been like that for the last 3 or 4 yrs?

 

[xziredmp]

well, it will take more than just 1 complaint to built up a case against people like him right ?

as long as more people wish to step out talking about it, den i am sure the mods or admins will look into it.

 

[Lomographer]

this is not related to clubsnap

i dont think they will intervene

but if it involves clubsnap,

they will step in to intervene and investigate

 

[vince123123]

I believe that eow is correct, and there has been quite a number of such similar threads already before.

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406732
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406510
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286496
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267186
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253687
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248410

Tks pinkyg for the warning..however due to his supernatural power..billy bob will still conducting his workshop.....it been like that for the last 3 or 4 yrs?

 

[Long Thai Bean]

I am suprise that all these threads are still around ... and not deleted or archieved somewhere ... It does make for some nostalgic reading.

I guess this thread is rather different because this is a case where the model has actually come up to complain about Bobman / MonoBeauty. In all other cases above, it seems like the photographers were the ones complaining.

 

[night86mare]

I guess this thread is rather different because this is a case where the model has actually come up to complain about Bobman / MonoBeauty. In all other cases above, it seems like the photographers were the ones complaining.

people who play around, won't just play one side, it becomes a habit

soon they think they can fool every side of the fence, but how long can it last?

 

[eow]

people who play around, won't just play one side, it becomes a habit

soon they think they can fool every side of the fence, but how long can it last?

for sure...it will be a very long..if not forever.:thumbsup: ....he the comeback king..outlasting some notable CS characters...he is a living legend :thumbsup:

 

[vince123123]

Yup this is very true, I used to know of a modelling agency agencices who play both sides; tell the photographers its a paid shoot; tell the model to pay for portfolio; and earn from both sides. He never realised the model and photographers will talk to each other.

Hence, it is quite foreseeable to say that those who play around, will play every side.

people who play around, won't just play one side, it becomes a habit

soon they think they can fool every side of the fence, but how long can it last?

 

[pikapig]

I am very new here..and like the mod mention, we shld leave our own opinion elsewhere...but indeed this 200, has tarnished your every single reputation as a photographer that will last forever even in the event what you are holding on is truth. Is it worth it?

I believe we are not asking you to pay ignoring who is right or wrong..but to settle this issue privately and calmly with the other party. If both party is willing to talk and take a step back..it will be solved!

I think you might have felt its worth it, so that is why you repeatedly allow this thread to carry on despite settling amicably with the model...

and we are really watching a show here....

 

[ricohflex]

It may help if future similar arrangements to compensate other partyB/model for travel is simply to say, partyA will pay $X; and whether this is enough/not enough/more than enough for partyB is not the issue anymore. Both agree to it beforehand in writing.

Do not arrange to compensate for travel this way:
Reimburse on condition that original receipts are submitted for inspection.
Send receipts from halfway around the world? Even to include taxi fare receipts?
For a sum total of £200?

(Did one party say...someone tore up the original receipts in a fit of rage. And then demanded other party produce the original receipts again. Hmmm..)

At this point we don't know who is right in this case.
But the track record shown in Vince's post does not look good.

Back to the main point.
Can CS swat this fly once and for all?

Can someone post here in CS and make it a sticky the:
a. Full frontal head shot photograph
b. Full Name in English & Chinese (if applicable)
c. Full Singapore NRIC No. of if not citizen, then Passport No.

of a certain supernatural being.

Don't add any comments, criticism or insults. Don't need to say anything.
Just the identity is enough.

If not convenient to do so then send these to us in a PM or even separately outside of CS.
Just for awareness.

 

[EroBeau]

For beginning till now, Gem has been lying not only her portfolios but her claim. She has been quiet about her booker mistakes and been swearing names. Yet you people still believe in here, its amazing.

Transport claim: What she is claiming is the transport from France to UK and not her home from home in UK to the airport or airport to her home in UK. I would never tear a receipt or even need a receipt if the model is honest.

The receipt she shown is before the date of her journey to Singapore. She is either working in France or holidaying.

Miss GEMMA JANSSENSWILLEN is flying on:

Flights Monday 29 June
Check in opens Mon 29 Jun 14:45
Closes Mon 29 Jun 16:05 Toulouse To Bristol
flight 6140; dep. Mon 29 Jun 16:45
arr. Mon 29 Jun 17:30

I had set a date for her to come her to work which is:

Airline booking number: NZHFLF
Passenger: GEMMAROSE Janssenswillen
London Heathrow Apt (LHR) To Paris Charles de Gaulle Apt (CDG)
Airline: AIR FRANCE (AF)
Flight Number: AF 1681
Departure Terminal: 2
Class: Economy
Departing: 18:00 Wed 1 Jul 2009
Arriving: 20:10 Wed 1 Jul 2009

How could she possibly make this claim? Before that I asked her whether she can make it on schedule, if not then we can postponed the shoot. But she said she could make it. I send the itinerary to her booker and later to her, and both agreed and asked me to book it.

If you accept my offer, which means you have to make it to the airport on time. It has to be your very own arrangement and not on other expense. I said you can claim your transport from your home to airport and vice versa and not from France to UK.

Some members mentioned that it is alright to claim from his home to workplace, that I agreed but not from KL to her home to workplace. Whatever happened before, it is his/her responsibility if he/she is professional or adult enough to be responsible in his/her work. If you know you can't make it on time to UK for this job, then don't take it.

Redirecting to Website: A mod is accusing me of being sly and try to redirect members of CS to my website, can I ask in what way?

A. If you said a photo with my website as watermark is not allowed, then it should have giving warning to the poster. But there wasn't any.

B. CS mentioned before that nude photo is allowed to be posted here but it has to be hotlink from other server. It cannot be posted directly. I have my own server, I hotlink to my server. when you click the link a photo comes out eg:

http://www.erobeau.com/eb/petra/01.jpg

I think this is all members do if they want to post a nude photo. So whats wrong with this link? It has never direct to my website or I never in anyway, email members secretly or invite members to come to my website. Just because I do shoots and you treated it doing business in a sly way?

Also now all is cleared that both Bobman and Monobeauty have given permission by the admin to use on separate occasion. So please check before accusing of me of clones.

Old threads: Again and again people like to bring out these threads. All have eyes to see, these photographers are the ones who didn't come for the shoot and want their money back. These are the photographers who after booking the shoot and model has been arranged to them, cancelled the shoot and want refund.

Go to anywhere and book something, after doing payment. Few days later, ask for payment. If you can do it, let me know. Actually these photographers I still can tolerate, the most they don't join my shoot in the future.

The worst are the ones who will contact the model through email or after the first meeting, arrange secret shoot with them. Some even claim they will do casting and give them jobs and not paying the model a single cent.

Gem, you came here because you have been checking around and get good references from models. Otherwise you won't be stupid to come. Also by now you had been broadcasting to the world that I owe you money. Anyway if its true, the French model will not be coming this month and in September, a Czech and an Aussie. October another UK (from your own country. maybe she knows more about you then us. that's why she ignore your bitchiness),

Also if I am not BAD, why would photographers flew from other country, book an expensive hotel to shoot? Why would some professionals book up to 6hrs for shoots? Why would they spent thousands of dollars to shoot the models I brought in? Cos they know I can deliver and they can rely on me. That goes to your 16 hours of work.

Not because I can't secure that 24 hours of job. I would have cancelled the shoot if I can fill my time slots. I just don't wish to say but since you said I am incompetent to secure my timeslot its my fault. Yes I admit my fault for myself. I won't sell rotton apple to my customers or my customers will not eat a rotton apple twice. You are not up to your portfolio or anywhere near, that's why they cancel the second shooting, for your info.

Don't worry, I will not broadcast to MM about your porfolio even you lie to them nor will I post your recent photo there, cos you know yourself that your days of being a model is ending unless you do something to your body. Thats why you are looking at starting a modelling agency.

Late note is that, please find the TRUE fact before starting acting like policemen or lawyers. It has been repeatedly proved that some members are creating some lies because they are not happy with me, some even go personal.

If CS allows that to go on, that it will be more of a complaint or it could have use it for flaming if one is unhappy with someone.

Cheers. 2 more days, my erotic models from Malaysia and the Philippines are coming. So much work to do so don't have time to talk. Bye.....Happy National Day.

 

[EroBeau]

I am very new here..and like the mod mention, we shld leave our own opinion elsewhere...but indeed this 200, has tarnished your every single reputation as a photographer that will last forever even in the event what you are holding on is truth. Is it worth it?

I believe we are not asking you to pay ignoring who is right or wrong..but to settle this issue privately and calmly with the other party. If both party is willing to talk and take a step back..it will be solved!

I think you might have felt its worth it, so that is why you repeatedly allow this thread to carry on despite settling amicably with the model...

and we are really watching a show here....

yoz, don't say 200 pounds, even if its 200 sgd and knowing she fake it, I will not pay! She is using the internet to "Blackmail". As long as you know what you do is right, its worth it. I had paid her more than enough, even her makeup fee where she lied to me that she is also an makeup artist. So enough is enough. Thanks for your advice

 

[night86mare]

Old threads: Again and again people like to bring out these threads. All have eyes to see, these photographers are the ones who didn't come for the shoot and want their money back. These are the photographers who after booking the shoot and model has been arranged to them, cancelled the shoot and want refund.

I had been troubled by an organiser of late. I paid for a course in full ($400) 4 months back. Though the course cost $500, he gave me a $100 discount since I paid up front and seemed sincere to him. I applied leave and waited anxiously for it to come. It was postponed, I reapplied leave, then it got postponed again.

...

Then, conviently, one month ago, I was automatically placed on another workshop with assumption I would agree. OK, I waited for the workshop for another month to happen. BTW i had no clue who the new instructor was and his credential weren't spelt out clearly either. Its just MK something.

So that is an agreement when you signed up with me. I can postpone or cancel but I wont play cheat and force to impose if those wish to back out...

:think::think::think:

so, if i order apple from supermarket..

1) it turns out apple become orange, and coming in one month late

2) next month even orange become banana and coming in another month late..

3) when ask the supermarket whether can have money back they say, ok, we give you the money back over 4 months, by the way, we have pineapple next month, you want or not?

yes, maybe individual apple buyer money very small. multiply it by any number, say, 25.. and you get a significant amount of money.. and what can be done by the apple money x 25 in that period, even if the apple money is 50 cents, there is interest to that amount if i had put it in a bank.. let alone other more lucrative investments..

by the way, claiming the blanket statement that "some people not happy with me, they creating lies".. that is not convincing. that could be done for anything, even the clinton scandal. but what you seem to forget is that there are means and ways of retaliation, and if the lies are indeed lies, this would be a costly mistake on those people's part. so maybe one person is daft enough, but 2? 3? 5? 8? this is where numbers become convincing. if you have somehow managed to get a significant amount of people riled up about over a long period of time, you can't blame onlookers for thinking that what they saying has some truth in it.

 

[EroBeau]

:think::think::think:

so, if i order apple from supermarket..

1) it turns out apple become orange, and coming in one month late

-- if it becomes an orange, you can don't buy ask for refund.


2) next month even orange become banana and coming in another month late..

--- you can still cancel the order ask for refund.

3) when ask the supermarket whether can have money back they say, ok, we give you the money back over 4 months, by the way, we have pineapple next month, you want or not?

--- if you agreed and accepted to your last order regardless to buy an orange, an apple or even durian and when they are shipped in, you cannot ask for refund. understand? you can cancel anything before the good is ordered or shipped. but once the booking is made, you cannot go back to your words and say i dun want liao. you ought to read the all series carefully.

yes, maybe individual apple buyer money very small. multiply it by any number, say, 25.. and you get a significant amount of money.. and what can be done by the apple money x 25 in that period, even if the apple money is 50 cents, there is interest to that amount if i had put it in a bank.. let alone other more lucrative investments..

--- if you shipped in 100 apples where your customer agreed to ordered, and when your orange is delivered to your shop, your customers suddenly said i dun wan liao. you start calculating your loss. it affects others, it oso affects me.

 

[EroBeau]

It may help if future similar arrangements to compensate other partyB/model for travel is simply to say, partyA will pay $X; and whether this is enough/not enough/more than enough for partyB is not the issue anymore. Both agree to it beforehand in writing.

Do not arrange to compensate for travel this way:
Reimburse on condition that original receipts are submitted for inspection.
Send receipts from halfway around the world? Even to include taxi fare receipts?
For a sum total of £200?

--- she has been lying from the start, this is human nature that to prove with receipts and its proven that she is claiming what is not suppose to claim.


(Did one party say...someone tore up the original receipts in a fit of rage. And then demanded other party produce the original receipts again. Hmmm..)

--- u think so? ask her to swear at her mother's grave that I tore the receipt in the fit of anger, and i can swear to mine it never happened.

At this point we don't know who is right in this case.
But the track record shown in Vince's post does not look good.

--- since all of u don't know who is right or wrong, then why acting like policemen, lawyers or even judges?

Back to the main point.
Can CS swat this fly once and for all?

--- are you calling me a fly????

Can someone post here in CS and make it a sticky the:
a. Full frontal head shot photograph
b. Full Name in English & Chinese (if applicable)
c. Full Singapore NRIC No. of if not citizen, then Passport No.

of a certain supernatural being.

Don't add any comments, criticism or insults. Don't need to say anything.
Just the identity is enough.

--- yes then there are more photos of photographers who cancelled my shoots, shoot my models bypassing me etc etc.

If not convenient to do so then send these to us in a PM or even separately outside of CS.
Just for awareness.

 

[EroBeau]

CS, having a better reach to the interested public (compared to the ST for example); because the people here are likely to have a greater intrest and relevance to this topic; has therefore become a better choice of forum for airing such views.

maybe you can enlightened me what you meant. thank u.

 

[EroBeau]

Hahahah, got complaints from overseas photographers for her bitchiness.... I think it will surface soon.... Buy your popcorn n coke.

 

[EroBeau]

Tks pinkyg for the warning..however due to his supernatural power..billy bob will still conducting his workshop.....it been like that for the last 3 or 4 yrs?

then u must ask yourself a question? why am i still able to conduct workshops for so long? if i m that bad, i varnished long time ago.

i din know i m a legend :bsmilie: