night86mare
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lolz lolz lolz, your english very good de.
Mollers who give excuses ...
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lolz lolz lolz, your english very good de.
Sion
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He another one come back from study in England leh. :bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie:
JT-Fied
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wah all tok powderful engrish seh....
Anyway this time I think she is really too much... even if something urgent or serious did crop up... how difficult would it be to drop a call or sms to organiser to inform?? sad case really...
scandal599
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JT...being curious here. May seem like OT but it is not.
How many times have you shot her before? And what is her performance like before, during and after the shoot?
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vince123123
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I think the pt is not many managed to shoot her due to her sideline as a pilot
scandal599
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The pilots union must be really having a field day with this. Her pilot's license sure auto-renew if this carries on.
It's not a question of placing your standard onto others. If it only affects you, then it's your own business what your own standards of behaviour are ...
In such cases your standards affect others ... hence there should be some form of accountability to others ... I think this is the point some of us are trying to make here ..
TheQuestion
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we think we get the point she's a flake. no point beating the dead horse any further. move on la.
scandal599
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forget it lah...
PM her on MM. Last login on MM was 30/03. So far she has not logged in. Grab a drink and chill:cheers:
If she wants to say something, she would have done so.
PM her on MM. Last login on MM was 30/03. So far she has not logged in. Grab a drink and chill:cheers:
If she wants to say something, she would have done so.
You preferred the moller to turn up and black/sad face all the way? Something happened to her/him and it affected her/him. Try to understand.
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vince123123
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You want to hire models from me? I have a lot of chiobus who are willing to do any type of shoots you can ever imagine. But hor, most of them are pilots. You still want to book from me? Non-refundable deposit even if fly aeroplane. But you'll be very understanding if they fly aeroplane hor?
TheQuestion
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can get sia girl? :bsmilie:
I felt that you are trying to flame-bait me.
Did I said anything about having to pay for model who stand us up? Just reasons or excuses that they cannot attend a shoot. Not talking about models/organiser talking money and run.
If I tell you to be kind to old folks, You are going to tell me to give all my pay to old folk home and hand every old folks I see along the road $50?
Come on. You are not so naive, right?
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vince123123
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I am not trying to flame bait you, but I'm trying to get you to see that it is easy to ask others to be understanding when you are not involved. I hence put a scenario to you where you are personally involved and then you can determine for yourself whether or not you still want to be understanding.
Since money is a sticking point, I'll waive my requirement for an advance deposit. The rest still remain. Will you want to book from me and be understanding about it?
However, to make sure that you have something to lose (although not to me), lets make it a shoot in a hotel room. You must book in advance a hotel room for the shoot. If the model does not turn up, you are therefore expected to be understanding about it.
The only reason why I'm going through all these; is to try to get you to understand the frustration whcih photographers encounter when they meet a fly aeroplane model. Whatever the reason or excuse is, the frustration is still there, not to mention sunk costs. Being understanding unfortunately, does not have any place in the business world and market place.
Since money is a sticking point, I'll waive my requirement for an advance deposit. The rest still remain. Will you want to book from me and be understanding about it?
However, to make sure that you have something to lose (although not to me), lets make it a shoot in a hotel room. You must book in advance a hotel room for the shoot. If the model does not turn up, you are therefore expected to be understanding about it.
The only reason why I'm going through all these; is to try to get you to understand the frustration whcih photographers encounter when they meet a fly aeroplane model. Whatever the reason or excuse is, the frustration is still there, not to mention sunk costs. Being understanding unfortunately, does not have any place in the business world and market place.
Photographers are just as human as the moller .... if there is any communication (or no misunderstanding) between the two, usually either party can be rather forgiving. So if the moller can call the shooter and explain to him the "real" problem, I am sure most photographers can accept the explanation, vice-versa.
I am sure if the moller is sick and yet she comes to the shoot, I will surely tell her to cancel the shoot and even will make sure I send her home safely ..... but most important, she will get my upmost respect for coming ...:think:
I will book from you. ONCE.
I think the scenario here is the moller called up and give a reason for not coming for the job.
Not a no-show scenario. Just that some photographer think that the excuse is absurd (and my point is who are we to judge?).
We often call in sick on the morning. Do we force ourself to work and had the boss sent us home after that? What if we spread the virus to our colleague? In this case, the photographers.
I am sure we are disappointed when a shoot is cancelled as we make time for it. It's any better to be told of the cancellation face to face as compare to a phone-call or sms?
Going to rest my case. Think I have to agree to disagree on this then.
Ciao~
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vince123123
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Your earlier posts do not make any limitation for calling in sick. It merely talks about reasons a model gives (such as pet died and what not) and that we should be understanding because it apparently affects the model more than it affects us.
Are you now retracting/limiting your earlier stand only to no-show situations that are based upon calling in sick?
Are you now retracting/limiting your earlier stand only to no-show situations that are based upon calling in sick?
I will book from you. ONCE.
I think the scenario here is the moller called up and give a reason for not coming for the job.
Not a no-show scenario. Just that some photographer think that the excuse is absurd (and my point is who are we to judge?).
We often call in sick on the morning. Do we force ourself to work and had the boss sent us home after that? What if we spread the virus to our colleague? In this case, the photographers.
I am sure we are disappointed when a shoot is cancelled as we make time for it. It's any better to be told of the cancellation face to face as compare to a phone-call or sms?
Going to rest my case. Think I have to agree to disagree on this then.
Ciao~
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I will book from you. ONCE.
I think the scenario here is the moller called up and give a reason for not coming for the job.
Not a no-show scenario. Just that some photographer think that the excuse is absurd (and my point is who are we to judge?).
We often call in sick on the morning. Do we force ourself to work and had the boss sent us home after that? What if we spread the virus to our colleague? In this case, the photographers.
I am sure we are disappointed when a shoot is cancelled as we make time for it. It's any better to be told of the cancellation face to face as compare to a phone-call or sms?
Going to rest my case. Think I have to agree to disagree on this then.
Ciao~
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This is as naive as it gets. At the end of the day, no amount of excuses will be able to make amends for all the efforts and money lost.
However, real reasons and heartfelt apologies, the parties having to eat the losses will be at least understanding and just drop the matter.
However, it is also up to the aggrieved party to accept the explanations or not. Pet died, aunt in hospital, boy friend is mad, that time of the month, all these are excuses. All these are non-starter for any of our day jobs. So, why should we allow such nonsense from models?
Btw, we have not even touched upon models habitually being late. Why should I, habitually call model in the morning to make sure they get up in time to do all that is necessary, and have enough time to get to the shoot?
Does anyone's boss here, your day job, call you in the morning to make sure you get up in time to go to work? Then, why should we have to do this for the models?
It is not whether we are nice or we should be forgiving. We can be nice and forgiving, but still, the behavior of many so call models, is leaving a bad aftertaste. And yet, some here still feel it is ok. DUH
The sick scenario is brought up by Canonised. Did you ever read?
Nevermind. Adio~
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