"Models" should pay to advertise.

[satan_18349]

My sugguestion to help filtering the Services Offered / Wanted section.


1) Since alot of "model" are using CS to engage photographers for paid shoots, they should pay an advertising fee to CS too. So to be fair to other advertisers using the forum for profits making.


2) No fees required unless these "freelancers", I wouldn't call them MODELS, purely wish to do TFCD, cause it helps both photographer and them to learn and build up their portfoilo. but if they were found asking for paid shoots underhand, names should be listed out in public.

 

[wranger]

You have a point there.

 

[emerald]

Hmm...is that really necessary?

Think to photographers willing to pay for good model shooting will be more than happy to see more such advertisements here for them to choose from.

Commercial or non-commercial, neither will hurt our forum's development. If really charge the models, it will definitely hurt the forum's popularity....

Just my personal view...

P.S. I am not a model, I am not a photographer will to pay either.

 

[Caspere]

Let them post freely.

It's a good thing the numbers of models postings here increase, either the price goes down or the quality goes up.

 

[night86mare]

Let them post freely.

It's a good thing the numbers of models postings here increase, either the price goes down or the quality goes up.

unfortunately simple economic theory doesn't seem to be being applied by people here.. yet probably proof that the assumptions made are insufficient, or humans do not tend to behave rationally :bsmilie:

 

[Caspere]

unfortunately simple economic theory doesn't seem to be being applied by people here.. yet probably proof that the assumptions made are insufficient, or humans do not tend to behave rationally :bsmilie:

In part... Nobody wants to work for peanuts, so price may not go down. But quality does seem to better each new school holiday season.. :bsmilie:

 

[catchlights]

no.

last time model shoot organizers does not need to pay to advertise.

but now all they need to pay,

and you see what kind of quality shoots you see nowadays?? compare to last time?

if anyone can guarantee after models need to pay to advertise, the quality of models will improve, in term of service and their look. I will fully support.

anyway, for what will I see is those good models do not need to advertise, they will get enough referral to keep them busy. end up are all the newbie models advertise here.

 

[GavinTing]

I say we let them post free.

Otherwise, those model agencies will get to start becoming more powerful.. And costs go up for photographers, and models earn less..

 

[shinestar]

In part... Nobody wants to work for peanuts, so price may not go down. But quality does seem to better each new school holiday season.. :bsmilie:

I am not sure whether quality gets better each new school holiday season, but QUANTITY sure goes up :bsmilie::bsmilie:

Its a good reminder of the school holiday season when you surf CS :sticktong

 

[yamapi]

charge a fee.
Then organiser might have to increase cost or increase the number of min limit before shoot commerence.
This way,there might just be a dip in photographers shooting the same old thing and fuelling this 'talent' industry.

 

[yamapi]

Hmm...is that really necessary?

Think to photographers willing to pay for good model shooting will be more than happy to see more such advertisements here for them to choose from.

Commercial or non-commercial, neither will hurt our forum's development. If really charge the models, it will definitely hurt the forum's popularity....

Just my personal view...

P.S. I am not a model, I am not a photographer will to pay either.

Hurt forum's development or cease forum as a breed ground where 'talents' register as user for quick buck?

 

[g-khoo]

Hurt forum's development or cease forum as a breed ground where 'talents' register as user for quick buck?

well said.

 

[satan_18349]

I say we let them post free.

Otherwise, those model agencies will get to start becoming more powerful.. And costs go up for photographers, and models earn less..

Powerful or not, if something cork up, at least people who paid have a valid and proper channel to raise their complains.

 

[foxtwo]

Powerful or not, if something cork up, at least people who paid have a valid and proper channel to raise their complains.

Proper channel? Here? Clubsnap shouldn't and most probably wouldn't want to put themselves in such a situation.

Talents or photographers engage services at their own risk. CS admins is not here to help settle 'cheating' cases or whatever.

Be happy that we even have a friendly meeting place between service providers.
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Anyway, I am against talents having to pay. Sure, there is a lot of amazing talent threads springing up here but for anything at its infancy you have to give it time, and proper interaction. Because you don't want to accidentally turn away diamonds while shifting out coal. If too much of a restrain is placed on talents advertising here, pretty soon none of them might bother.

If only talents in Singapore had their own forum to advertise their services and it is the photographers who have to go in and ask for tfcd etc. Example Australia's Ozmodel, where even though the market is much larger there the situation is similar. There is still a lot of unprofessional "portfolio" pictures as well as talents who I wonder how they find work. However, the point is, imagine the issue reversed and CS photographers have to pay a fee to ask for services in a Talent forum, because they find us lacking in ability? Would you still pay a fee just to advertise yourself or go look for cheaper alternatives?


Roads to take I reckon. ;p
1.) Leave things as they are to fester. Talents who do not receive offers should gradually realise they're dreaming. Unhappy photographers qq in kopitiam because they log in daily to find little has changed.
2.) Charge them. Talents (with or without potential/ability) who consider it a worthwhile investment pay the fee(s), and those without gradually realise they were dreaming and bad talk CS. Photographers pray talents with potential/ability will introduce their pretty friends who end up by-passing the fee, have their contacts passed through PM and the fee charging becomes a sticky no one bothers.
3.) Inform the talentless talents the reality but how to avoid being labeled as unfriendly? And who are you to judge they are talentless? 10 people agreeing does not make it a truth. Unless the 10 are some fashion magazine editors (but why would you spend your time here? Lol).
4.) Have a very-very-friendly (but realistic) FAQ of basic portrait photographer expectations and invite talents to share their views.

Of course none of the options are as clear-cut as they are written.
Try to avoid knee-jerk reactions and consider future (in years) issues as well.

 

[satan_18349]

Proper channel? Here? Clubsnap shouldn't and most probably wouldn't want to put themselves in such a situation.

Talents or photographers engage services at their own risk. CS admins is not here to help settle 'cheating' cases or whatever.

Be happy that we even have a friendly meeting place between service providers.
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Anyway, I am against talents having to pay. Sure, there is a lot of amazing talent threads springing up here but for anything at its infancy you have to give it time, and proper interaction. Because you don't want to accidentally turn away diamonds while shifting out coal. If too much of a restrain is placed on talents advertising here, pretty soon none of them might bother.

If only talents in Singapore had their own forum to advertise their services and it is the photographers who have to go in and ask for tfcd etc. Example Australia's Ozmodel, where even though the market is much larger there the situation is similar. There is still a lot of unprofessional "portfolio" pictures as well as talents who I wonder how they find work. However, the point is, imagine the issue reversed and CS photographers have to pay a fee to ask for services in a Talent forum, because they find us lacking in ability? Would you still pay a fee just to advertise yourself or go look for cheaper alternatives?


Roads to take I reckon. ;p
1.) Leave things as they are to fester. Talents who do not receive offers should gradually realise they're dreaming. Unhappy photographers qq in kopitiam because they log in daily to find little has changed.
2.) Charge them. Talents (with or without potential/ability) who consider it a worthwhile investment pay the fee(s), and those without gradually realise they were dreaming and bad talk CS. Photographers pray talents with potential/ability will introduce their pretty friends who end up by-passing the fee, have their contacts passed through PM and the fee charging becomes a sticky no one bothers.
3.) Inform the talentless talents the reality but how to avoid being labeled as unfriendly? And who are you to judge they are talentless? 10 people agreeing does not make it a truth. Unless the 10 are some fashion magazine editors (but why would you spend your time here? Lol).
4.) Have a very-very-friendly (but realistic) FAQ of basic portrait photographer expectations and invite talents to share their views.

Of course none of the options are as clear-cut as they are written.
Try to avoid knee-jerk reactions and consider future (in years) issues as well.

Which part of my post did you read as I was saying the proper channel was Clubsnap itself?
I suggust that you read carefully before posting your "realistic" views.

Proper channel refers to---> AGENCY itself. Something cork up, at the VERY LEAST point, people can still go to those AGENCY to kao bei or whatsoever they want.

Or simply, they can still take their time filtering out diamonds from coals.

 

[foxtwo]

Which part of my post did you read as I was saying the proper channel was Clubsnap itself?
I suggust that you read carefully before posting your "realistic" views.

Proper channel refers to---> AGENCY itself. Something cork up, at the VERY LEAST point, people can still go to those AGENCY to kao bei or whatsoever they want.

Or simply, they can still take their time filtering out diamonds from coals.

Ok, sorry my mistake. But my view about charging a fee for talents in CS still stand.

 

[satan_18349]

Np I respect your views.

 

[sytan81]

As members of this forum, we should try to, as far as possible, adhere and support its values and vision. Perhaps an admin would like to give some insights on this? This would help to provide an "intuitive" answer to this issue.

If CS desires to be a prestigious and premier forum meant for the best of the best, then it is clear that these talents ought to be charged. After all, money is the easiest and simplest way to ensure quality. This is similar to the HDB flat bidders issue. Increase the price if you want to keep away those who just want to "play-play" and this includes both talents and photographers alike. Make the "Studio/Model Shoots" sub-forum the place for high-quality models and photographers that make others go "Wow!"

On the other hand, if CS desires to be a popular and wide-reaching forum meant to touch as many people as possible, then let the market go free for all. Yes, many will come and page-hits will go up. Of course, this would likely result in lower-quality models and photographers that might eventually turn the higher-quality ones away.

So there you go.. what does CS want to be?

Alternatively, create 2 sub-forums for both Amateurs and Professionals. Give them the identity and credit that they deserve. When standards are set, that's when you'll see people striving to improve and better themselves. The Amatuer forum can be free-for-all while the Professional forum will require a set of guidelines and conditions to be met, and may or may not involve monetary requirements.