Missing Pics on D100

[engineermunn]

Also.. I find it illogical that this has prompted you to change back to film. I think a change in a bad habit is more appropriate. From my point of view.. my cam is never turned off from the time it leaves the house for a walk-about shoot.. till the time I pack it up.. and even when packed, I still leave the camera on.

Hi, I assume housefly's change back to film is mainly due to the fact that the write speed is insufficient and therefore qite unreliable when many shots are fired at RAW. I've experienced that myself and found it to be rather frustrating not being able to take more pictures. Sometimes it takes quite awhile to write images into the CF and unknowingly, the camera is switched off. I'm not saying that the camera is IMMEDIATELY switched off, but just that it's switched off after some time and not knowing that the camera is still writing into the CF. With film, there's no problem of this frustrating element.

Habits are habits. But the reason why the missing pic problem is not a common occurence could be due to unknowingly turning the camera off, hence it happens only once in awhile. Mistakes do happen and you can't write off a person for that. He/she will have to pay for the consequences of the missing pic. Good for you when you always leave your camera on.

 

[gadrian]

Hi, I assume housefly's change back to film is mainly due to the fact that the write speed is insufficient and therefore qite unreliable when many shots are fired at RAW. I've experienced that myself and found it to be rather frustrating not being able to take more pictures. Sometimes it takes quite awhile to write images into the CF and unknowingly, the camera is switched off. I'm not saying that the camera is IMMEDIATELY switched off, but just that it's switched off after some time and not knowing that the camera is still writing into the CF. With film, there's no problem of this frustrating element.

Habits are habits. But the reason why the missing pic problem is not a common occurence could be due to unknowingly turning the camera off, hence it happens only once in awhile. Mistakes do happen and you can't write off a person for that. He/she will have to pay for the consequences of the missing pic. Good for you when you always leave your camera on.

Engineermunn.. well if that is the reason why housefly has switched back to film.. that there is insufficient buffer and slow write speeds especially when shooting in RAW.. then I have not quarrel..

However if he has switched back to film coz of the habit of turning the cam off while the cam is writing from buffer.. then i find it illogical..

Do note.. that he was agreeing with Wibawa's posting.. btw.. I also made the assumption that the habit of turning the cam off is due the fear of Low Batt.

Again.. I find it illogical.. turning off the cam with out a glance to verify that everything is ok.. mistakes yes.. once twice.. maybe 3 times.. but with so many mistakes.. shouldnt we be learning from mistakes..

Also note.. I am not writing off the person.. just the reason for his action.. there is a big difference in both..

Also to qoute..

yeah...probably thats what I did...coz I like to twiddle with the on/off switch

Isnt this a bad habit? Twiddling with the on/off switch? The chances of increasing this error would then me more.. Yes/No?

Also NOTE: I am not writting off the person.. but just the action..

 

[engineermunn]

Gadrian,

I think you're a lawyer (oops, did I make the wrong assumption here?)

No one's trying to argue with you whether it's illogical or not. To each his own. Meepokman is seeking help as to how come he's encountering the frustration of missing pics.

Housefly et al have tried to explain the various possibilities that might lead to such situations. Blaming it on the camera is not a good solution. What if poor Meepokman has to spend some $$$ at Nikon Repair? Not worth it right? So if CSers can try to help him break the possible habit of itchy fingers, then so be it. Illogical or not, it's still a valid point. The possibilities of solutions are endless, but any help to Meepokman will be beneficial. Ultimately he decides what's best to counter the missing pics.

All said... peace to you Gadrian. May the world be rid of twitching fingers.

 

[Clown]

gadrian is right. Even this was mentioned in Thom Hogan's D100 ebook, the battery life lasts actually longer leaving it on whilst in the midsts of shooting than turning it off. Even if you leave the battery on whilst in the dry cabinet for 1 month, you squeeze off, it'll just fire as if it was never 'asleep'.

yup.. in my opinion, the on/off switch is more like a safety feature to prevent the buttons and shutter release from accidentally firing off inside a bag or whatever. nikon DSLRs are in my opinion always on and ready. just flick the safety off and shoot.

 

[gadrian]

Gadrian,

I think you're a lawyer (oops, did I make the wrong assumption here?)

No one's trying to argue with you whether it's illogical or not. To each his own. Meepokman is seeking help as to how come he's encountering the frustration of missing pics.

Housefly et al have tried to explain the various possibilities that might lead to such situations. Blaming it on the camera is not a good solution. What if poor Meepokman has to spend some $$$ at Nikon Repair? Not worth it right? So if CSers can try to help him break the possible habit of itchy fingers, then so be it. Illogical or not, it's still a valid point. The possibilities of solutions are endless, but any help to Meepokman will be beneficial. Ultimately he decides what's best to counter the missing pics.

All said... peace to you Gadrian. May the world be rid of twitching fingers.

haha.. me lawyer? lau yah burok maybe.. Fyi.. I am a chef!! No argument..

Sorry I must have the last word here.. I would not like to see someone blaming their equipment for something that is caused by a bad habit..

But.. here is something that I would like to see in the future rleases of Nikon's DSLR's.. as this feature is already present in the P&S digicams..

The camera will maintain the system to be on.. until the buffer is cleared to the storage media.

Btw.. I have not noticed if my D100/D1x does the same thing.. coz I have never turnoff the cam while it is saving.. or clearning buffer.

 

[espn]

Sometimes it takes quite awhile to write images into the CF and unknowingly, the camera is switched off. I'm not saying that the camera is IMMEDIATELY switched off, but just that it's switched off after some time and not knowing that the camera is still writing into the CF. With film, there's no problem of this frustrating element.

The camera will still continue writing to the CF even if the camera is switched off immediately after shooting, this was a fix in the Version 2.0 firmware for the D100. I've tested it before, the write/read light stays on till the image is recorded, I don't see you'll lose your images. However if there are 3 images on your buffer and you switch off at the 2nd image recording time, you *do* loose the 3rd shot. But you will never lose those already written or is writing.

But with a right CF card & the habit to not switch off your DSLR after finishing shooting, I don't see how frustrating that can be, it's more of just a simple action. And as repeated, there really isn't a need to switch off the camera when not in use unless you're carrying it in a bag or something to prevent firing off...

 

[Moehadi]

I have also encountered is you were to take continuous multiple shots (max 4 in RAW), and you start viewing the shots while it is still writing, it will corrupt some of the shots.

 

[ericjklim]

I recently experienced on a shoot (took over 200 pics) where one of the frames came out totally white. When viewing the pic using nikon view, i can see the exif data but frame is totally white blank. Shot appeared in midst of fashion shoot where i was taking at least 30 pics continuously without switching off the cam or looking at the pics in the lcd. only noticed it when i came home and downloaded to pc.

no clue what caused it ?!

 

[gadrian]

I recently experienced on a shoot (took over 200 pics) where one of the frames came out totally white. When viewing the pic using nikon view, i can see the exif data but frame is totally white blank. Shot appeared in midst of fashion shoot where i was taking at least 30 pics continuously without switching off the cam or looking at the pics in the lcd. only noticed it when i came home and downloaded to pc.

no clue what caused it ?!

What was the exposure information on the EXIF?

 

[ericjklim]

Gradrian,
my sincere apologies. I had another look at the data, and i must have over exposed it. In my initial haste, saw the numbers wrongly. Stupid of me. Sorry to have wasted your time.

 

[gadrian]

Gradrian,
my sincere apologies. I had another look at the data, and i must have over exposed it. In my initial haste, saw the numbers wrongly. Stupid of me. Sorry to have wasted your time.

haha.. dont worry about it.. just wanted to confirm.. was wondering if Nikon put in a trojan horse bug into their cams before they launch the D100 replacement..

click click click.. 1 June 2004 - All D100's will start to act weird.. prompting the sales of the D100 replacement (D200??)