lawrence90
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oh i see...
So are you trying to say that at 300mm, both will zoom equally?
So why is the 70-200mm lens more expensive than the 55-200mm lens? :sweat:
May be getting a 40D soon...
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So are you trying to say that at 300mm, both will zoom equally?
So why is the 70-200mm lens more expensive than the 55-200mm lens? :sweat:
Because it is a constant aperture, professional grade lens. It also does not extend while zooming, and does not rotate while focusing.
felixcat8888
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Hi all, this is my virgin post here
May be getting a 40D soon and i'm a amateur but i want to invest in a better camera and lens so that it would last and need not change for a few years.
So regarding the lens, i want a standard lens which i picked the EF-S 17-85 IS (Kit-2) lens and a telephoto lens. I'm not sure on which one to get
EF 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 USM
EF-S 55-250 f/4-5.6 IS (wondering if the AF for this is noisy/slow?)
Or are there any recommendations (Budget <$600 + must have IS)
External flash would be Speedlite 430EX
CF card would be maybe a 8gb?(enough?), with which speed would be good? (Extreme III?)
Tripod and humidity container(please recommend cheap + good)
Also, CP, MScolour, John3:16 etc are good shops but is there a shop which sells the body + accessories + lens all at the most competitive prices so as there is not a need to go from sop to shop to buy? :sweat:
Sorry for the many questions ;p
All offer competitive pricing. Can go to one and buy all from one shop no need to run around like mad man
lawrence90
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hmmm... wow... i guess i really have to read up more.
So even though the 18-55mm one zooms lesser than the 17-85 one, the quality is better? and if i want a good zoom-able one would be 70-200mm one? Or what would you recommend?
Because if i get the 18-55 one, it would be approx 2k leaving me with 1.5k to buy tripod, bag, CF card, humidity container ($400?)
Lens - ~$1k left
Maybe i'm not really good at the lens part but i need like ~ 6X to 10X zoom. within a 1k budget. Possible?
Stop doing the zoom ratio multiplication thing. You'll only end up confusing yourself. What do you mean by "more zoom-able"?
Seriously, the 18-55 and 55-250 are already a good combination to begin with. It gives you a reach ranging from wide angle (18mm) to a decent telephoto range (250mm). Both lenses come with IS, which is very useful to have when you are in the process of learning proper handholding technique.
CS TAN
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From your posts in HWZ and here, you seems to be very serious about getting the right equipment for your first DSLR. As someone who has a fixed budget from your parent, I would say forget about the L lenses as your fixed budget doesn't allow for that. Use the remaining budget for the more useful accessories.
For someone without much knowledge about photography and camera, what calebk has recommended is a great combination to start with. You will have a set of good equipment to work with and depends on how far you go, you can always 'buy and sell' to get different lenses later when you know exactly what you need. Don't waste money on the stuff that you want as they might turn out not exactly what you need.
For someone without much knowledge about photography and camera, what calebk has recommended is a great combination to start with. You will have a set of good equipment to work with and depends on how far you go, you can always 'buy and sell' to get different lenses later when you know exactly what you need. Don't waste money on the stuff that you want as they might turn out not exactly what you need.
eugene260880
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Hi TS,
As what he mentioned, my kit set 1 and 55-250mm IS cover the full range
18-55mm and 55-250mm
both comes with IS and very useful esp for beginners
I went out for 3 days doing shots and find that its quite up to standard
And for me, i give 1 yr for skill improvement instead of splurging on those exp lens. Yes, good lens helps u to get better pic, But skills, perception of looking at things need to be trained. So i got the 2 most value for $$ lens for training first before investing in the near future. Unless u are really god darn good in ur skills liao then get a exp lens lor. Its my first DSLR 40D and i tink i need time to get use to the camera and time for the camera to get to know me. Haha
Oh yah, dun forget those UV/Circular Polarising/ etc filters/hood etc
2cent thots
lawrence90
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ummm.... in my context, more zoomable means able to zoom in further.
yea, i'm thinking of the 18-55 + 55-250 one now.
Sorry if i ask again but can the 55-250 zoom further than the 18-55 one?
Because from what i know, the "number of zoom" is biggest no divided by smallest number. Thus from my knowledge, both are 5X zoom? (sorry for the x times zoom again
)L series are really luxury. LOL.
not for people with budget constrains
Oh okay. What about the UV/Circular Polarising/ etc filters/hood etc?? Do i need them?
By the way, the lens hood, both are not L series thus not given. Do i need to buy 2 separate ones for each of the lens or are they interchangable?
And can anyone give a rough pricing of
40D + 18-55mm + 55-250mm(IS right?) + 4gb CF + dry container + flash(either a 430EX or 550EX) + Bag(Campro?)
U better go read up more, heres a brief explanation about focal length
http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=focal+length
http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=focal+length
ummm.... in my context, more zoomable means able to zoom in further.
yea, i'm thinking of the 18-55 + 55-250 one now.
Sorry if i ask again but can the 55-250 zoom further than the 18-55 one?
Because from what i know, the "number of zoom" is biggest no divided by smallest number. Thus from my knowledge, both are 5X zoom? (sorry for the x times zoom again
...
Oh okay. What about the UV/Circular Polarising/ etc filters/hood etc?? Do i need them?
Let me reiterate to you one last time. The very reason why you are getting confused is because you are going back to the multiplication when you should be referring to the focal length. 250mm is more zoomed in than 55mm by virtue of focal length. Both are almost the same in zoom ratio, but you CANNOT look at that.
I have explained to you what focal length means already. Go and reread that post. I'm not going to explain it all to you again when the info is plainly there for you.
You will need UV filters, more as a form of protection for the front of the lens when you are shooting. Circ. Polarisers can wait. Hood is also not necessary at this point in time.
CS TAN
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From where TS came from, a compact digital cam usually refer to 3x, 5x, 12x zoom when there is a fixed lens attached to the camera. So, in theory, the larger the 'X' is, the more versatile and therefore the better.
But, in DSLR, since lenses are changeable, the 'X' factor (no pun intended) is no longer a major consideration. It is more about the focal length, how fast, how heavy, whether there is image stabilization, the picture quality and how much the lens costs.
TS should look at the type of photos that he will be taking and decide on what lens(es) to get. e.g. landscape will require a wide to ultra wide lens (e.g. EF-S 10-20mm), portrait (e.g. EF-S 18-55mm) and telephoto (e.g. EF-S 55-250mm).
But, in DSLR, since lenses are changeable, the 'X' factor (no pun intended) is no longer a major consideration. It is more about the focal length, how fast, how heavy, whether there is image stabilization, the picture quality and how much the lens costs.
TS should look at the type of photos that he will be taking and decide on what lens(es) to get. e.g. landscape will require a wide to ultra wide lens (e.g. EF-S 10-20mm), portrait (e.g. EF-S 18-55mm) and telephoto (e.g. EF-S 55-250mm).
freezy1977
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I just bought a 40D a week ago,
These are what I got so far within a week (in order):
1) 40D Kit I (with 18-55mm IS), CF 4GB extreme III, CF 2GB II (FOC), screen protector, lowepro
2) Canon 55-250mm IS
3) Digicab 30L
I intend to get 430EX (on my wishlist as of now)... but still thinking, heart pain to let go $450+/- for a flashlight
These are what I got so far within a week (in order):
1) 40D Kit I (with 18-55mm IS), CF 4GB extreme III, CF 2GB II (FOC), screen protector, lowepro
2) Canon 55-250mm IS
3) Digicab 30L
I intend to get 430EX (on my wishlist as of now)... but still thinking, heart pain to let go $450+/- for a flashlight
ummm.... in my context, more zoomable means able to zoom in further.
yea, i'm thinking of the 18-55 + 55-250 one now.
Sorry if i ask again but can the 55-250 zoom further than the 18-55 one?
Because from what i know, the "number of zoom" is biggest no divided by smallest number. Thus from my knowledge, both are 5X zoom? (sorry for the x times zoom again
L series are really luxury. LOL.
not for people with budget constrains
Oh okay. What about the UV/Circular Polarising/ etc filters/hood etc?? Do i need them?
By the way, the lens hood, both are not L series thus not given. Do i need to buy 2 separate ones for each of the lens or are they interchangable?
And can anyone give a rough pricing of
40D + 18-55mm + 55-250mm(IS right?) + 4gb CF + dry container + flash(either a 430EX or 550EX) + Bag(Campro?)
Yes, Threadstarter. You are making a whole mess of the idea with the whatever X you are thinking of. Understand this carefully else i think you are going to make calebk attack you with some lenses...haha
Simple logic: drop the idea of 3x, 4x or whatever x. It is not relevant whether it can zoom more or not. Instead, look at the end mm of the range of each lens. eg. for 18-55mm, you know it gives you reach up to 55mm while 55-250mm gives you reach up to 250mm.
Where you are using 1 same camera, the bigger the mm, the more magnification you can do. that is to say, for 18-55mm, your lens can zoom from 18mm to 55mm. Same goes for 55-250mm, you can zoom from 55mm to 250mm. REMEMBER..THE CALCULATION OF X DOES NOT HELP YOU IN ANYTHING HERE...
UV filters for both your new lenses are recommended. Circular polarizers, hoods can wait.
I already did some calculations for you in my last post, seems like you are not reading carefully to see how much things generall cost.
Here's your requested items, prices though quite accurate, are general:
1) 40D with Kit 1 = 1750
2) 55-250mm IS = 360
3) Extreme3 4gb CF card = 70
4) Dry-cabinet 30L = 100
5) 430EX flash = 490
6) Bag = highly variable but you can get something between $70 to $110
These only add up to 2.9k, well within your budget. I was thinking it's always better to choose 1 good lens then keep buying and selling, cause you actually spend more money that way, my personal preference. I choose to buy my 24-70 and will never need another lens in that range unless i break my glasses. But you must be sure what you like first. In fact, go test the lenses out before putting in 100% decision. This was the reason why I suggested the 70-200 f4 L. Even with your above requested items, you still can well afford it with you budget, only downside is you miss out a little between 55mm and 70mm.
Bags can get from various brands, most important is that you like it. Example: Lowepro, Tamrac, Kata, Thinktank. But Lowepro would be more affordable, Tamrac second. The other 2 brands you probably need to up your bag budget by another $50.
Please..go read up and do more research on the things that you want to buy. This will be my last spoon-feeding post for you.
I am a amatuer now, but I think I can't do that even for another 20 years. Unless I am hand holding the camera.......................that was mounted on the tripod.
to help u understand zoom further.
think of it as reach/the range of your weapon. for eg: 18-55. u can only hit your enemy if he is 18-55mm away. if he is further away, u need to change your weapon to your 55-200.
and as of weapons, there are more to them then just reach. quality of weapons. those L series, 70-200 has similar reach than 55-200 but it is made out of titanium instead if iron of the 55-200. and to top it off, its a magical weapon (eg: dmg +20) compared to the 55-200 which is a normal weapon. thats why the 70-200 cost alot more.
other than that there are other accessories such as the hood. think of it as protectors to help your weapon last longer.
there are other factors such as the aperture size (the F/number). think of it as the SIZE of your weapon. the bigger the size, u can swing slower and still hit your enemy. the smaller the size, the faster u have to swing to hit him.
*pant pant* hahah others i think u better read up abit after u get your camera. cheers!:bsmilie:
think of it as reach/the range of your weapon. for eg: 18-55. u can only hit your enemy if he is 18-55mm away. if he is further away, u need to change your weapon to your 55-200.
and as of weapons, there are more to them then just reach. quality of weapons. those L series, 70-200 has similar reach than 55-200 but it is made out of titanium instead if iron of the 55-200. and to top it off, its a magical weapon (eg: dmg +20) compared to the 55-200 which is a normal weapon. thats why the 70-200 cost alot more.
other than that there are other accessories such as the hood. think of it as protectors to help your weapon last longer.
there are other factors such as the aperture size (the F/number). think of it as the SIZE of your weapon. the bigger the size, u can swing slower and still hit your enemy. the smaller the size, the faster u have to swing to hit him.
*pant pant* hahah others i think u better read up abit after u get your camera. cheers!:bsmilie:
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