Hi, i was the only one using a compact camera on the outing and this was taken w/o a tripod. I was supporting the camera using the railing. I turned up w/o tripod and proper DSLR camera, my intention was to have a feel of taking pic n i'm still deciding which camera to buy. Sorry if turning up at outing w/o proper equipments will irritate others cos the intent was just to learn and it was mentioned that compact camera is welcomed. I acknowledged that this may restrict someone else with proper equipments who wanted to join the outing, but i guess the similarity is there,that is to learn and share. Thanks.
JUSTSNAP(known as Newbie in the past) outing to Helix Bridge on 3rd May 2010
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Hi, i was the only one using a compact camera on the outing and this was taken w/o a tripod. I was supporting the camera using the railing. I turned up w/o tripod and proper DSLR camera, my intention was to have a feel of taking pic n i'm still deciding which camera to buy. Sorry if turning up at outing w/o proper equipments will irritate others cos the intent was just to learn and it was mentioned that compact camera is welcomed. I acknowledged that this may restrict someone else with proper equipments who wanted to join the outing, but i guess the similarity is there,that is to learn and share. Thanks.
BananaDiver
Senior Member
Oppsss... U mean the picture was shot by u and not by reportage?
Thanks for the explaination... Now at least I have a picture from what's going on...
No worries you are not irritating me... Just want to know what is the settings you used so that we can help out... A lot of compact cameras can take good pictures too... And composition of the shot can be trained... Just refer to clubsnap forum... Tons of city landscape pictures...
Cheers
banana
Hi there
Finally here're my photos in flikr. Since these pics were taken in the early hours, so will have to go there again.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28022257@N06/sets/72157624016831458/
Finally here're my photos in flikr. Since these pics were taken in the early hours, so will have to go there again.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28022257@N06/sets/72157624016831458/
i think in that case its very alright to have such a reaction.
i noe i will too if i were in ur shoes or maybe even more
p&s or compacts r def welcome. i think tat outing we all went to has no limits at tat point of time.
which camera r u aiming to buy or you already have an idea on e brand n model.
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Reportage
Senior Member
actually in my opinion, there is no such thing as bringing the proper equipment since not everyone has them....its all a matter of what you hope to achieve from the outing and whether you acknowledge the limitations of the current system.
so what compact did you use and did you learn anything from the outing?
its one thing to bring full gear to a paid assignment and another simply to try to see just how good you are by limiting your gear. Its akin to purposely playing without certain chess pieces to either give the opponent a chance or to experiment.
maybe i should organise a purposely PNS only outing....sounds like a good idea.
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Dear Hostile,
Don't worrysince we know your intention is to get a grasp of what a DSLR can do than your compact camera. I'm sure you have already picked up some of the info on what are the criteria in shooting, eg. adjusting ISO, aperture adn etc. Hope you will soon make uo your mind which DSLR to choose
Don't worrysince we know your intention is to get a grasp of what a DSLR can do than your compact camera. I'm sure you have already picked up some of the info on what are the criteria in shooting, eg. adjusting ISO, aperture adn etc. Hope you will soon make uo your mind which DSLR to choose
luntut
Senior Member
i got this kind of shots before, when i was starting out with digital photography.
never really understood why until i did a lot of trial and error.
it was the ISO. i believe that it might be the case for TS too.
disclaimer: i did nt check the picture for exif, lazy
also, TS, singaporeans tend to be more direct with comments. don't get offended. comments are only how we improve.
ZerocoolAstra
Senior Member
If you don't have the equipment that you need to get the shot, or you are unaware of what equipment you need, then by all means do the best you can and learn from it :thumbsup:
I apologize once again if you felt that my rant was directed at you.
What I'm annoyed with is people who know what equipment they need, and who deliberately turn up for organized outings with the intention of 'challenging' their so-called skills, and producing mediocre shots, claiming that such actions actually benefit them. It's a total insult to the organizer of the outing.
I'm not sure what benefit I can gain from intentionally taking a crappy photo... oh well.
BananaDiver
Senior Member
:thumbsup::thumbsup: i get what you mean.... and i feel the same way too... but sometimes it just does't work... cos he really dun get it... or does he get it?
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alvinchipz
New Member
Thanks for your assistance the other day ... still do not know how to fully use the camera then ... now still learning ... will be looking for a reasonable quality tripod soon
I believe each newbie should have a chance to learn and explore. Nonetheless, i welcome the harsh comments that you have listed ... It would be a nice learning experience no less :angel:
dun like tat la...
i know there is 1 cs member whom attended and have just gotten his camera either e week b4 or 2 weeks prior. at that point of time, he have not purchased a tripod yet...
so i guess better than just standing there, doing nothing and seeing other pple take shots with tripod. might as well take some in high iso, at least can see the huge diff with n without a tripod
If its not in a album, u gotta post e direct link to the pic le. Else, you gotta set it to share to anyone
I thank you ppl for your kind advices and assistance the other day ... I guess i will refrain from joining such outings until i am comfortable enough with using my camera, since the group is too professional. Will be looking for a usable tripod soon, i guess ...
Dun worry, my interest in night photography still lingers and would not be dampen by anything and i guess i would slowly improve my dslr handling skills gradually over time
Thanks ... will be looking forward for future outings by urban93
sadiqsabia
New Member
Finally managed to Find Time to Post my Remaining Pictures. Tried one HDR. The rest just cropped for composition.
The winding Bridge
The Beautiful SKY- Still Trying to Figure out how to correctly expose the buildings as well. Tried the Photoshop layer method - Find it difficult.
The Worker
HDR- Photoshop Single File
The winding Bridge
The Beautiful SKY- Still Trying to Figure out how to correctly expose the buildings as well. Tried the Photoshop layer method - Find it difficult.
The Worker
HDR- Photoshop Single File
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r00ki3
New Member
Thanks for your assistance the other day ... still do not know how to fully use the camera then ... now still learning ... will be looking for a reasonable quality tripod soon
I believe each newbie should have a chance to learn and explore. Nonetheless, i welcome the harsh comments that you have listed ... It would be a nice learning experience no less :angel:
I thank you ppl for your kind advices and assistance the other day ... I guess i will refrain from joining such outings until i am comfortable enough with using my camera, since the group is too professional. Will be looking for a usable tripod soon, i guess ...
Dun worry, my interest in night photography still lingers and would not be dampen by anything and i guess i would slowly improve my dslr handling skills gradually over time
Thanks ... will be looking forward for future outings by urban93
Good to know that you are not disheartened
I believe this is what the forum is all about.To learn, being commented and criticised on. Some will be direct,some harsh,some will be all nice and rosy..take it constructively and with a pinch of salt just like what you did.I am for one started just like you..with little knowledge and inadequate gears..slowly I learnt a little more and I built from there. I'm still lacking in so many aspects and am still learning.
Don't refrain yourself from joining outings organised by fellow CSers. And don't limit yourself to just one group of people. I have joined several outings oganised by the seniors and I have greatly benefitted from them.Seniors such as Kit, ZeroCoolastra,dingaroo, and many others actively organised outings for newcomers like us.be on the look-out for their outings too..most importantly enjoy photography
TS pardon me if I strayed from the topic *embarrassed*
http://kenrockwell.com/canon/lenses/50mm-f18.htm
Seek your professional comment on a recent ken rockwell review that the F1.8 is good for night shots ...
Big F, better for Night shot than a Small F setting ??? Kinda confused, tks ~
Good to know that you are not disheartened
I am for one started just like you..with little knowledge and inadequate gears..slowly I learnt a little more and I built from there. I'm still lacking in so many aspects and am still learning.
Don't refrain yourself from joining outings organised by fellow CSers. And don't limit yourself to just one group of people. I have joined several outings oganised by the seniors and I have greatly benefitted from them.Seniors such as Kit, ZeroCoolastra,dingaroo, and many others actively organised outings for newcomers like us.be on the look-out for their outings too..most importantly enjoy photography
TS pardon me if I strayed from the topic *embarrassed*
Agreed, just ignore some of the pros harsh comments lah ...
To alvinchip ->
Dun take it to heart, newbie outings are a nice start to gain skills
Do not need to refrain from joining such outings. don't be dishearten. You did learn something from this outing, that's e most impt pointI thank you ppl for your kind advices and assistance the other day ... I guess i will refrain from joining such outings until i am comfortable enough with using my camera, since the group is too professional. Will be looking for a usable tripod soon, i guess ...
Dun worry, my interest in night photography still lingers and would not be dampen by anything and i guess i would slowly improve my dslr handling skills gradually over time
Thanks ... will be looking forward for future outings by urban93
Objects are dead, humans aren't.
No tripods nvm, u can make use of any concrete blocks, plonk your bag on a barrier, and rest your camera on your bag.
I did tat a few times when i have my camera but i din intend to do any nightshoot but i wanted to take that scene(s)
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ZerocoolAstra
Senior Member
hahahah don't mistake me for a professional. I never said I was one.
Anyway, to quote from Ken Rockwell's site:
Excellent for use in low light
though I have to admit that the light level is low at night (when taking night landscapes), I am quite certain KRW wasn't referring to night landscapes.
by 'low light', he would have been referring to a shot made indoors (eg. at a restaurant), whereby the larger aperture @ 50mm (f/1.8 vs kit lens' f/5.6) would give you almost 3 stops advantage, thus you might be able to reduce your shutter speed from something like 1/4s to 1/30s, which would give you a decent chance of nailing a sharp shot.
But in night landscapes, I'm still using f/8-f/11 kind of aperture, with shutter speeds in excess of 20seconds. So a large-aperture prime presents no benefits in that sense.
ZerocoolAstra
Senior Member
Finally managed to Find Time to Post my Remaining Pictures. Tried one HDR. The rest just cropped for composition.
The Beautiful SKY- Still Trying to Figure out how to correctly expose the buildings as well. Tried the Photoshop layer method - Find it difficult.
Best I could do with your JPG.
sorry.... :embrass:
Kit
Senior Member
Thought I'd chip in since I understand the fustration (and probably the reaction thereafter) ZerocoolAstra feels. This is in no way directed to anyone on this forum and to those whom had participated in the numerous outings previously. Its a general observation from the past 10 years of experience in photography and to a certain extent, my training as an architect.
We encounter individuals from different background in our outings so its not surprising that someone from the group surprises all once in a while. This is normal since we dabble in a highly subjective field which is open to different interpretations and possibilities. Its fun but fustrating at the same time.
I used to argue till the cows come home on why we need a tripod, a good sturdy one at least for low light cityscapes / architectural photography and I can still do that if the occasion calls for it. I firmly believe in that because I know I'm right and I've been proven to be correct time and again! But is that of any use to someone who thinks differently or not receptive to what you have to say? No and don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen and when it doesn't happen, I don't see any reason to get upset.......... anymore. I let the results do the talking from then on.
I wrote an article on why a good sturdy tripod (not just any tripod) is necessary sometime ago and to those who think otherwise, here's my points of contention..........
a) You need a sturdy and constant platform to align your verticals and horizons, which are crucial in this genre of photography. As such, I use my tripod all the time, not only in low light conditions.
b) Ken Rockwell can use his f/1.4 lens or high ISOs for low light cityscapes for all I care. I ask if he can replicate the same amount of Depth of Field and image cleanliness which can be obtained when the camera is mounted on a tripod. Can he even level his camera without a tripod to begin with?
There, those are my views on why a sturdy tripod setup is needed and that's also my justification for spending $3k on a tripod setup. I need it. You might think that you don't need that Depth of Field and that's your perogative.
I no longer expect everyone I come across to subscribe to my school of thought but I can offer my advise to those who has an interest in learning. Rookie and Wildcat comes to mind. We organise outings to share experiences and knowledge. Our lives don't depend on it. So ZerocoolAstra, don't need to get worked up over it. Focus on the folks whom are receptive.
We encounter individuals from different background in our outings so its not surprising that someone from the group surprises all once in a while. This is normal since we dabble in a highly subjective field which is open to different interpretations and possibilities. Its fun but fustrating at the same time.
I used to argue till the cows come home on why we need a tripod, a good sturdy one at least for low light cityscapes / architectural photography and I can still do that if the occasion calls for it. I firmly believe in that because I know I'm right and I've been proven to be correct time and again! But is that of any use to someone who thinks differently or not receptive to what you have to say? No and don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen and when it doesn't happen, I don't see any reason to get upset.......... anymore. I let the results do the talking from then on.
I wrote an article on why a good sturdy tripod (not just any tripod) is necessary sometime ago and to those who think otherwise, here's my points of contention..........
a) You need a sturdy and constant platform to align your verticals and horizons, which are crucial in this genre of photography. As such, I use my tripod all the time, not only in low light conditions.
b) Ken Rockwell can use his f/1.4 lens or high ISOs for low light cityscapes for all I care. I ask if he can replicate the same amount of Depth of Field and image cleanliness which can be obtained when the camera is mounted on a tripod. Can he even level his camera without a tripod to begin with?
There, those are my views on why a sturdy tripod setup is needed and that's also my justification for spending $3k on a tripod setup. I need it. You might think that you don't need that Depth of Field and that's your perogative.
I no longer expect everyone I come across to subscribe to my school of thought but I can offer my advise to those who has an interest in learning. Rookie and Wildcat comes to mind. We organise outings to share experiences and knowledge. Our lives don't depend on it. So ZerocoolAstra, don't need to get worked up over it. Focus on the folks whom are receptive.
ZerocoolAstra
Senior Member
yup Kit. Understood. :thumbsup:
You brought up a very good point which even I myself have overlooked, that of alignment.
You brought up a very good point which even I myself have overlooked, that of alignment.
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