JUSTSNAP(known as Newbie in the past) outing to Helix Bridge on 3rd May 2010

[frans84]

1) Your image is WAYYYYY too large. Please reduce to a more meaningful size. Either 800 x 600 or 640 x 480 should be all right.

2) Your image is not sharp. Either your lens is soft, or your focus was out, or your tripod shook.

if not mistaken, i was wth him on this shot
hmmm... it shot without tripod... so the aperture is set around F4 and 1/6-10 shutter
it will b sharp on tripod in high F and remove the filter....

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

then the question is "why shoot without a tripod for night land/cityscape?"

I feel that trying to do that is a total waste of time. Might as well not bother to shoot.

 

[hostile]

Hi, here is one of my photo..dun tink its v good but for your comments, thanks!

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=175448&id=683351077&l=b21a5b1985

 

[Reportage]

Hi, here is one of my photo..dun tink its v good but for your comments, thanks!

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=175448&id=683351077&l=b21a5b1985

when you create the album, did you set to Everybody because i cant see the pics?

 

[zelot]

then the question is "why shoot without a tripod for night land/cityscape?"

I feel that trying to do that is a total waste of time. Might as well not bother to shoot.

dun like tat la...
i know there is 1 cs member whom attended and have just gotten his camera either e week b4 or 2 weeks prior. at that point of time, he have not purchased a tripod yet...

so i guess better than just standing there, doing nothing and seeing other pple take shots with tripod. might as well take some in high iso, at least can see the huge diff with n without a tripod

Hi, here is one of my photo..dun tink its v good but for your comments, thanks!
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=175448&id=683351077&l=b21a5b1985

If its not in a album, u gotta post e direct link to the pic le. Else, you gotta set it to share to anyone

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

dun like tat la...
i know there is 1 cs member whom attended and have just gotten his camera either e week b4 or 2 weeks prior. at that point of time, he have not purchased a tripod yet...

so i guess better than just standing there, doing nothing and seeing other pple take shots with tripod. might as well take some in high iso, at least can see the huge diff with n without a tripod

well... I see your point, though I don't agree with it.

one should not embark on something until one is at least prepared for it.
Along the same lines, I never go for any macro outings because I don't have any gear suitable for macro. If I shoot with my normal lens, the insect will look like a speck on the screen. So would I try macro with a normal lens, just to see the huge diff with and w/o a macro lens...? errrr, nope.

 

[soulFLY]

then the question is "why shoot without a tripod for night land/cityscape?"

I feel that trying to do that is a total waste of time. Might as well not bother to shoot.[/QUOTE]


I reckon the statement sounds pretty awkward over here. Everybody starts from somewhere and some dont even afford to purchase a tripod at early stage.

I do admit that I do not use tripod for low light in the beginning stage and I do shot with smaller aperture or boost up the ISO get the right exposure.

Its a learning curve to everyone and everyone is explore everyday to get the technique right or should I say, better photography.

I reckon you do start from somewhere.

To TS, sorry to gatecrash this thread.

 

[hostile]

hi! i have set the setting to everyone le. thanks!!

 

[Reportage]

kinda noisy but other then that is a good start...try using between iso 100~200. Aperture mode usually is best if you are not using any filter or going for special effects.

tripod is nice to have but take note that the longer the exposure, the more susceptible to shake it becomes.

 

[BananaDiver]

kinda noisy but other then that is a good start...try using between iso 100~200. Aperture mode usually is best if you are not using any filter or going for special effects.

tripod is nice to have but take note that the longer the exposure, the more susceptible to shake it becomes.

Hi... then may i know what is your usualy settings for this night shot...
ISO?
Shutter Speed?
Aperture?
white balance?
Tripod?
Manual/Aperture Priority/Shutter Priority?

If your tripod is of a ok quality and have right method of supporting it... i see no reason why you can't just use the tripod for long exposure...

 

[reneey]

Thx for organsing the outing.
I was the one that leave earlier since totally forgot I have sth to do(thanks Urban93 for your encouraging me to come ).
Dont know how to upload pics here, anyone can help a mac's user?
Also, sorry for the late reply, coz had been sick.

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

then the question is "why shoot without a tripod for night land/cityscape?"

I feel that trying to do that is a total waste of time. Might as well not bother to shoot.

I reckon the statement sounds pretty awkward over here. Everybody starts from somewhere and some dont even afford to purchase a tripod at early stage.

I do admit that I do not use tripod for low light in the beginning stage and I do shot with smaller aperture or boost up the ISO get the right exposure.

Its a learning curve to everyone and everyone is explore everyday to get the technique right or should I say, better photography.

I reckon you do start from somewhere.

To TS, sorry to gatecrash this thread.

I guess the words were rather strong, but my point is that if you happen to be out and about with your camera, not really planning to shoot night landscapes, and a particular scene caught your eye, then by all means try to get the best possible shot within your available means. That might include high ISO, large aperture, and so on.

But if one specifially signs up for a night landscape outing without a tripod, that's just being silly, in my opinion.
It's just something I feel strongly about.
In the night outings I organize, I specifically state that tripod is required, otherwise don't bother to put your name down and waste a slot.

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

I reckon the statement sounds pretty awkward over here. Everybody starts from somewhere and some dont even afford to purchase a tripod at early stage.

I do admit that I do not use tripod for low light in the beginning stage and I do shot with smaller aperture or boost up the ISO get the right exposure.

Its a learning curve to everyone and everyone is explore everyday to get the technique right or should I say, better photography.

I reckon you do start from somewhere.

To TS, sorry to gatecrash this thread.

This is the kind of image that one takes when maybe on a social gathering with friends around the Helix Bridge, then you happen to walk around and like the view, so you whip out your camera and do the best you can.

But to specifically turn up for a night cityscape outing without tripod, is just depriving someone else (who is more committed to taking better photographs) from attending the outing.
If one is genuinely interested in taking good night landscapes, this is the kind of photo you look at, go "hmmmm...", then delete.

 

[hope107fm]

Another final contribution from the outing. Shot taken around 6pm when the sun was still bright and shining. Not much post processing except for perspective correction, levels, shadows lightening and a small amount of sharpening. I :heart: the natural blues of Oly

 

[LeGozt]

Another final contribution from the outing. Shot taken around 6pm when the sun was still bright and shining. Not much post processing except for perspective correction, levels, shadows lightening and a small amount of sharpening. I :heart: the natural blues of Oly

is this done in HDR? i can see some haloing around the buildings

 

[hope107fm]

is this done in HDR? i can see some haloing around the buildings

No, not done in hdr but the haloing could be the result of changing the blend mode on the levels layer to "soft light"

 

[soulFLY]

I guess the words were rather strong, but my point is that if you happen to be out and about with your camera, not really planning to shoot night landscapes, and a particular scene caught your eye, then by all means try to get the best possible shot within your available means. That might include high ISO, large aperture, and so on.

But if one specifially signs up for a night landscape outing without a tripod, that's just being silly, in my opinion.
It's just something I feel strongly about.
In the night outings I organize, I specifically state that tripod is required, otherwise don't bother to put your name down and waste a slot.

This is the kind of image that one takes when maybe on a social gathering with friends around the Helix Bridge, then you happen to walk around and like the view, so you whip out your camera and do the best you can.

But to specifically turn up for a night cityscape outing without tripod, is just depriving someone else (who is more committed to taking better photographs) from attending the outing.
If one is genuinely interested in taking good night landscapes, this is the kind of photo you look at, go "hmmmm...", then delete.

I had to agree with you but looking at this msg, it sounds much better, dont they?

Mayhap, be a little humble and do think about how the other party feels.

Think about while you are on your way to work or something, where you left your tripod at home or etc; and there is this scene you just cant missed it; you would do anything to get it, no?! You will try to squeeze as many shots and by chance or luck, u get a good one and the rest to recycle bin.

Same to these guys, they may had squeeze the juice out from the memory. Went home and review the images and reckon couple of it is the best and share it and the rest in the bin. This is a forum and everyone would eagerly share the 'fruits' of the day and get honest comments and critiques to improve. Try to fit yourself into their shoe?

Just a thought to ponder and am not trying to make a scene. Cheers my friend!

 

[zelot]

This is the kind of image that one takes when maybe on a social gathering with friends around the Helix Bridge, then you happen to walk around and like the view, so you whip out your camera and do the best you can.

But to specifically turn up for a night cityscape outing without tripod, is just depriving someone else (who is more committed to taking better photographs) from attending the outing.
If one is genuinely interested in taking good night landscapes, this is the kind of photo you look at, go "hmmmm...", then delete.

There are 2 schools of thoughts. 1 is to read, learn and try to understand the theory or the basics of how something works. In this case, a camera functions.
Another school of thought, is to just "whack" and try it out and then learn from your mistakes and hopefully do not commit them again. Either one will definitely help. However, it differs from each individual.

well... Pple always learn from experience(s), don't they?
Adding on, the method each person uses to learn might not always be similar.
Person A may be good in understanding from reading (be it books or online) whereas person B does not. Person B may be the practical kinda person who will learn faster when he/she gets down to the scene and literally take pictures/photos and then figuring out from e shots taken.

In photography, if i may, each scene even at a different angle will most probably require 1 or more change, namely a different exposure period, require refocus just to name e more common ones which can most if not never be taught from books and you just gotta go figure it and trial and error to get the right/optimal settings.

Some/Most are newbies in this very outing. At least they try something out and then ask. Rather than wanting someone with more experience just spoonfeeding them before they even want to try something out.

Some pple when just venturing on a new dslr buy may know a tripod is important.
But.... they might not realise that a tripod is very important.
you get my drift?


All in all, try not to gun those newbies whom are interested and gun down those who expect pple to spoonfeed them w/o even trying on their own

cheers~

 

[pokiemon]

There are 2 schools of thoughts. 1 is to read, learn and try to understand the theory or the basics of how something works. In this case, a camera functions.
Another school of thought, is to just "whack" and try it out and then learn from your mistakes and hopefully do not commit them again. Either one will definitely help. However, it differs from each individual.

well... Pple always learn from experience(s), don't they?
Adding on, the method each person uses to learn might not always be similar.
Person A may be good in understanding from reading (be it books or online) whereas person B does not. Person B may be the practical kinda person who will learn faster when he/she gets down to the scene and literally take pictures/photos and then figuring out from e shots taken.

In photography, if i may, each scene even at a different angle will most probably require 1 or more change, namely a different exposure period, require refocus just to name e more common ones which can most if not never be taught from books and you just gotta go figure it and trial and error to get the right/optimal settings.

Some/Most are newbies in this very outing. At least they try something out and then ask. Rather than wanting someone with more experience just spoonfeeding them before they even want to try something out.

Some pple when just venturing on a new dslr buy may know a tripod is important.
But.... they might not realise that a tripod is very important.
you get my drift?

All in all, try not to gun those newbies whom are interested and gun down those who expect pple to spoonfeed them w/o even trying on their own

cheers~

agree. i think the very fact they posted their pictures in this forum, is to learn and improve so we should provide constructive criticism and words of encouragement to motivate them. whilst sometimes an idea may seem pretty clear and obvious to some (like night86mare) we all learn at different speed, some slower than others (like me).

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

I had to agree with you but looking at this msg, it sounds much better, dont they?

Mayhap, be a little humble and do think about how the other party feels.

Think about while you are on your way to work or something, where you left your tripod at home or etc; and there is this scene you just cant missed it; you would do anything to get it, no?! You will try to squeeze as many shots and by chance or luck, u get a good one and the rest to recycle bin.

Same to these guys, they may had squeeze the juice out from the memory. Went home and review the images and reckon couple of it is the best and share it and the rest in the bin. This is a forum and everyone would eagerly share the 'fruits' of the day and get honest comments and critiques to improve. Try to fit yourself into their shoe?

Just a thought to ponder and am not trying to make a scene. Cheers my friend!

I understand where you're coming from. Apologies once again for the outburst.
I guess this is just something I feel strongly about.

It stems from one of the previous outings I organized, when there were more people wanting to go than there were available slots. Then along come some jokers with 50/1.8 and trying to shoot night cityscapes handheld. When I told them that tripod is absolutely necessary to take nice night cityscapes, I get a shrug of the shoulder, like "so what?".
I was really demoralised when I got home after that outing...

I want to stress again that I've got nothing against people who try to take the best photo they can, given the circumstances (no tripod), but I have no tolerance for people who intentionally turn up for night outings without tripod.