Isn't Nex5/3 a good low light camera and good specs, but so many ppl selling?

[systemx]

I have the Olympus EP2, Sony NEX5 and Samsung NX10/NX100. Each of these cameras have their own pros and cons. Nowadays, if I want to take a casual shot, my hands would strangely grab the Samsung NX100 and not the other 2 even if they are nearer to me than the NX100.

Image quality is everything to me and I don't normally like to shoot at ISO higher than 800 if I can help it. Anything higher, I would reach for my D700 instead. Image quality depends on the sensor (plus onboard image processing firmware) and the lenses used. In this respect, I feel that the Samsung NX10/NX100 wins. The images from the Samsung just look better esthetically to me in a difficult to quantify way compared to those from the Olympus and Sony.

The Sony NEX5 has a good sensor and image processing firmware and some really unique functions like Sweep Panorama, Handheld Twilight and Anti-Motion Blur... the last one is really impressive as it could freeze motion even if the camera is moving (as in not steady) when the exposure button is pressed. It is however let down badly by the lenses that it has released so far. While they are generally acceptable, they just cannot compare at all with the lenses, kit or otherwise, of the m43 or the Samsung NX systems.

One good thing about the Sony NEX cameras is their ability to accept other brands' lenses and the sensor really shines (at the same time showing up their own NEX lenses for their lack of optical quality thereof) when the NEX body is partnered with a good lens eg Voigtlander RF lenses... provided the user has the patience or inclination to do manual focussing.

Of course, if I only have the Sony NEX5 to shoot with, I would also be quite happy with the result.

Thanks for that review... many opinions of which I share, except that I really do not like the NX100. It feels cheap and plastic and it's i-Function lens are mere marketing fluff in my opinion. But I am with you on the Samsung's other factors, especially lens which is so important to me.

In my very limited experiences with DSLR, I have always preferred the IQ of the Pentax first, followed by Nikon and then Canon. Likewise when I saw images from the Samsung NX10 and handled it first hand, it was love at first sight.

 

[kei1309]

Yup those functions on the NEX are definitely one of the pull factors. However I disagree about not comparing the NX10 with the NEX. The NX100 is frankly a POS and I would only consider the former 2 cameras. Since this is a personal preference instead of some online comparison review, I think I am entitled to compare any 2 cameras that I am considering buying.

in terms of design and ergonomics(being something that's stylish), the NEX and NX100 can be compared.

but if you're comparing image quality, the NEX trumps the NX(both 100 and 10).

but another point to consider, don't forget that sony has already announced 7 more lenses in the e-mount line-up which will be more or less available by 2012.

however, one thing that the NX10 wins over the NEX is that it has better ergonomics.

 

[metranquility]

Thanks for the review. FYI in my opinion the NX10 and NX100 are lightyears away from each other. I would never even consider the NX100, but you should check out the NX10 and not base it on your NX100 experience. Anyway to be honest, I would never shoot with any ISO setting higher than 800. That's why lens is very important to me.

Then isn't NX100 a regression ? I always thought that new camera = improvement, and so it seems that NX100 is not from what you guys say... :dunno:

Anyway, like I say, big factor for me is size and NX10 is really somewhat like my old G1 in this aspect. If I had wanted to go into SLR types, I would have gone for A55, but I really wanted something more compact.

I respect the fact that some only shoot at ISO800, like what I did with my old G1. But like I say, I need my camera to catch my naughty kid's growing moments, so if indoors, I need something that can shoot without worrying about her movements causing a blur. Therefore, need fast shuttle speed. Therefore need something that can take good, sharp photos at high ISO. At ISO1600, the Nex5 is class leading, with virtually no noise at all. Think only Nikon and Canon DSLRs can match the quality.

Yes, lens play a part, but by next year, Sony's going to push out new lens, and even if not I can buy adaptors and 3party lens. But I know for sure that I can't buy a new sensor and fix it onto my camera. So lens quality was never a factor for me too.

 

[airconvent]

however, one thing that the NX10 wins over the NEX is that it has better ergonomics.

I beg to differ. It was a pain to look at the dowdy design of the NX and when I held it in my hands, it felt as if it would slip from my hand. I hated it. The NEX5 on the other hand has that nice grip that fitted my hands perfectly. Maybe those with big hands will go with the NX but isn't mirrorless supposed to mean smaller bodies? That's the prime reason I chose the NEX5 over the EPL1, GF1 and NX. The NX lenses inherited the compactness of pentax lenses during samsung's earlier collaboration but the body does not do the lenses justice.

 

[SCULDER]

my first NEX attempt on low light and changing light condition, ISO 1600, no tripod, no flash.
not bad at all for me....

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6752399#post6752399

 

[wootsk]

Personally I feel Nex is a good choice for few because it is a APS-C mirrorless. Meaning bigger sensor than normal 4/3 while still being able to mount older lens which normally need correction glass on adapter because their 35mm counterpart camera has the film closer the lens. I know a few people who gotten the camera because they want to mount their older lens onto a digital camera.
1. Bigger sensor means more coverage as compared to Oly Pen. The idea of using a older glass also require a bigger sensor to get the size and DOF closer to 35mm. Sadly there isn't any FF for it.
2. The nice big live view screen actually helps a lot in focusing. Manual focus is harder on most lower end DSLR because of how the viewfinder is some cheap material nowaday.

 

[myclara]

Personally I feel Nex is a good choice for few because it is a APS-C mirrorless. Meaning bigger sensor than normal 4/3 while still being able to mount older lens which normally need correction glass on adapter because their 35mm counterpart camera has the film closer the lens. I know a few people who gotten the camera because they want to mount their older lens onto a digital camera.
1. Bigger sensor means more coverage as compared to Oly Pen. The idea of using a older glass also require a bigger sensor to get the size and DOF closer to 35mm. Sadly there isn't any FF for it.
2. The nice big live view screen actually helps a lot in focusing. Manual focus is harder on most lower end DSLR because of how the viewfinder is some cheap material nowaday.

hi,
wld anyone just give me a bit of advise. :dunno:
i'm a pns user having a sony hx5 now, which i'm satisfied with its zoom, video, ipanaroma, day shots (most times). however, the low light shots are still not sharp even with HHT.
so now i'm thinking of getting one which i can use for indoor and group functions.

choice - nex3/nex5/lx5 (these are the ones that fellow members here recommend)

nex3 - good pricing, same sensor as nex5 though video mode and hand grip not as good
nex5 - can still afford, better grip & video
(however, read the 18-55mm lens not as good, not as sharp, performance inconsistent)

lx5 - good review, 24-90mm reasonably ok for me, but sensor is smaller than nex

so now i'm left with this 3 choice to select from. any comments is appreciated .....

 

[wootsk]

What do you mean by not that sharp?
Tell us what are you planning to shoot and your condition so we can give better advice. (Portrait, Landscape, Shooting while traveling, wildlife, insect, bird, more of indoor and night, sport, I don't know so I guess I want to shoot everything...) I seem people who bomb others in this forum with nice technical spec like faster FPS and stuff (especially the C and N fanboys), but when asked, the owner just wants a camera to take photo of his baby girl and some family outdoor, get what you need and more if you think you want it and within your budget.

 

[airconvent]

hi,
wld anyone just give me a bit of advise. :dunno:
i'm a pns user having a sony hx5 now, which i'm satisfied with its zoom, video, ipanaroma, day shots (most times). however, the low light shots are still not sharp even with HHT.
so now i'm thinking of getting one which i can use for indoor and group functions.

choice - nex3/nex5/lx5 (these are the ones that fellow members here recommend)

nex3 - good pricing, same sensor as nex5 though video mode and hand grip not as good
nex5 - can still afford, better grip & video
(however, read the 18-55mm lens not as good, not as sharp, performance inconsistent)

lx5 - good review, 24-90mm reasonably ok for me, but sensor is smaller than nex

so now i'm left with this 3 choice to select from. any comments is appreciated .....

The LX5 is quite a nice camera overall but its size make it too big to be a PnS and too under-powered to be a DSLR. But if you need something smaller and want the best performance possible, i don't think you can go wrong with the LX5 or even the Fujifilm F300EXR.

But if you're upgrading, why settle for a half hearted attempt? Go straight for the Nex3 which offers the better bang for buck. The grip looks bad visually but once you hold it in your hands, you will be surprised to see how nice it is to hold especially its matt feel. And if you want better low light performance, you can't beat the Sony APS-C sized sensor which happens to have amongst the best low light performance currently for that range. Even the premium low noise Pentax K5 uses a Sony sensor.

 

[myclara]

The LX5 is quite a nice camera overall but its size make it too big to be a PnS and too under-powered to be a DSLR. But if you need something smaller and want the best performance possible, i don't think you can go wrong with the LX5 or even the Fujifilm F300EXR.

But if you're upgrading, why settle for a half hearted attempt? Go straight for the Nex3 which offers the better bang for buck. The grip looks bad visually but once you hold it in your hands, you will be surprised to see how nice it is to hold especially its matt feel. And if you want better low light performance, you can't beat the Sony APS-C sized sensor which happens to have amongst the best low light performance currently for that range. Even the premium low noise Pentax K5 uses a Sony sensor.

i'm not comfident this is a fair statement to ask, coz ppl may say it's not an apple to apple comparison,

comparing both the nex vs lx5, which one would give me a higher chance get low light shots
(eg, friends in restaurants, food, kids, indoor ornaments, outdoor lightings-christmas lightups)
i'm not a post processing person, thus getting a good and confident shot is impt to me.

thks for taking time to give advise to me

 

[wootsk]

The LX5 is quite a nice camera overall but its size make it too big to be a PnS and too under-powered to be a DSLR. But if you need something smaller and want the best performance possible, i don't think you can go wrong with the LX5 or even the Fujifilm F300EXR.

But if you're upgrading, why settle for a half hearted attempt? Go straight for the Nex3 which offers the better bang for buck. The grip looks bad visually but once you hold it in your hands, you will be surprised to see how nice it is to hold especially its matt feel. And if you want better low light performance, you can't beat the Sony APS-C sized sensor which happens to have amongst the best low light performance currently for that range. Even the premium low noise Pentax K5 uses a Sony sensor.

Grip varies from people to people, while I would say that the smaller grip of certain camera doesn't fits me as compared to the bigger camera, girls with smaller hands or weaker arm (I am not sexist, but this is the common case I seem) feels that smaller grip settles well rather than the bigger cameras.

 

[systemx]

Finally went for the NX10 and got the 30mm pancake, 18-55mm and 50-200mm lens all at a great price ($300 cheaper than Courts) from MS Color. Sorry I don't feel comfortable putting the price here but just call them to get a quote over the phone.

Too early to conclude if it was the right buy but I am liking it so far. Will update when I can.

 

[airconvent]

i'm not comfident this is a fair statement to ask, coz ppl may say it's not an apple to apple comparison

Actually this was not about comparison but about ascertaining the needs. Hence need to choose what suits you.

Grip varies from people to people, while I would say that the smaller grip of certain camera doesn't fits me as compared to the bigger camera, girls with smaller hands or weaker arm (I am not sexist, but this is the common case I seem) feels that smaller grip settles well rather than the bigger cameras.

Yup. I prefer small grips too as my hand smaller sized plus I do not like bulkiness. The NEX3 is quite easy to hold but surprisingly, the NEX5 grip does not look that bulky either probably because the lens mount is quite deep.

Finally went for the NX10 and got the 30mm pancake, 18-55mm and 50-200mm lens all at a great price ($300 cheaper than Courts) from MS Color. Sorry I don't feel comfortable putting the price here but just call them to get a quote over the phone.

Too early to conclude if it was the right buy but I am liking it so far. Will update when I can.

Congrats. If you happy , that's all that matters. Happy shooting.

 

[uhoh7]

Finally went for the NX10 and got the 30mm pancake, 18-55mm and 50-200mm lens all at a great price ($300 cheaper than Courts) from MS Color. Sorry I don't feel comfortable putting the price here but just call them to get a quote over the phone.

Too early to conclude if it was the right buy but I am liking it so far. Will update when I can.

Great Camera, have a blast!

 

[wootsk]

Finally went for the NX10 and got the 30mm pancake, 18-55mm and 50-200mm lens all at a great price ($300 cheaper than Courts) from MS Color. Sorry I don't feel comfortable putting the price here but just call them to get a quote over the phone.

Too early to conclude if it was the right buy but I am liking it so far. Will update when I can.

Don't think so much, what is done is done. Just focus more on happy shooting.

 

[systemx]

Don't think so much, what is done is done. Just focus more on happy shooting.

I know you have well-meaning intentions, but the way you phase your sentence makes it seem like I made a bad choice. ;p

Anyway, I've decided to let go of my LX3 and Pana HD Camcorder now that I got the NX10. Do visit the Classifieds section of Clubsnap to check them out, thanks!

 

[kei1309]

I beg to differ. It was a pain to look at the dowdy design of the NX and when I held it in my hands, it felt as if it would slip from my hand. I hated it. The NEX5 on the other hand has that nice grip that fitted my hands perfectly. Maybe those with big hands will go with the NX but isn't mirrorless supposed to mean smaller bodies? That's the prime reason I chose the NEX5 over the EPL1, GF1 and NX. The NX lenses inherited the compactness of pentax lenses during samsung's earlier collaboration but the body does not do the lenses justice.

yup. to each his own i guess i just like the taller grip on the NX10. but IQ-wise.... haha.
the NEX wins.

 

[wootsk]

Because you doesn't sound too happy with your purchase. The thing to do is to shoot more and be happy with what you have rather than thinking about "what if" stuff unless BBB strikes again.

Too early to conclude if it was the right buy but I am liking it so far. Will update when I can.

 

[systemx]

Because you doesn't sound too happy with your purchase. The thing to do is to shoot more and be happy with what you have rather than thinking about "what if" stuff unless BBB strikes again.

Nah, you misunderstood. What I meant was exactly what I posted, which was that it was too early to know for sure if it was a good buy or not simply because I have not had time to take it out and properly use it and then observe the actual results for myself.