Is there anything about fine arts photgraphy in this forum?

[havocidal]

i said that i felt nothing. i never turned up my nose and said that "hey, there's nothing great about this artwork" - i just thought that a lot of the people who were exclaiming at this or that in the louvre were just being fanboys for the sake of joining the jones.

anyways, no big deal, it's just a view i have about art.

we take what we will from it, don't you think? maybe you prefer learning more about this or that - another hated branch of study is history, it bores me. sometimes i like to find out about certain things, so that particular branch of history excites me.. beyond that.. :sweat: so perhaps you might better see where i'm coming from.

I won't deny there will be those at the Louvre who try to act cultured (similar to the Emperor's New Clothes).

I won't deny, like you, history bores me too. But it also opens up my eyes. It is more of one thing leads to another. You see many Singaporeans complaining about Singapore. They do not understand the history and so their opinions will not be the same as one who does.

You can't quantify an opinion, but there is a difference between an educated opinion and an uninformed one. I think is clear you can see many of the works here are simply people who attempt to do stuff with very superficial knowledge. I am not saying by knowing the history of photography you will be some great photographer, but it makes a difference in the thinking that goes behind your work. Anyone who is truly interested should do a little reading.

Like you said, it is an opinion. If people are happy being the hobbyist and showing off how sharp their lens is, then I guess it is their call. But if they are interested in pushing it beyond, why not start by trying to understand this craft more, beyond just apertures and shutter speeds.

For anyone reading this, all I hope is that they will look at things differently and not just on a superficial level. For any other experts out there, feel free to add on what you know.

I would like to see this more of a sharing session than of a debate

 

[daredevil123]

TS, there is some here.

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=578493

 

[night86mare]

Like you said, it is an opinion. If people are happy being the hobbyist and showing off how sharp their lens is, then I guess it is their call. But if they are interested in pushing it beyond, why not start by trying to understand this craft more, beyond just apertures and shutter speeds.

well, there are many ways and approaches to understand a craft, or learn about it. i like looking at pictures that i like to look at..

anyways, maybe you haven't been around much, loads of people have tried to change mindsets.. thing is, just keep in mind that every person you save from gear-masturbation counts for something, you can't change everyone. in fact, majority will not care about this thread.. :bsmilie: and that's a fact, like it or not.

 

[havocidal]

well, there are many ways and approaches to understand a craft, or learn about it. i like looking at pictures that i like to look at..

anyways, maybe you haven't been around much, loads of people have tried to change mindsets.. thing is, just keep in mind that every person you save from gear-masturbation counts for something, you can't change everyone. in fact, majority will not care about this thread.. :bsmilie: and that's a fact, like it or not.

I agree with you. But still you've got to start somewhere. It's better than doing nothing. Before the camera was invented, everyone thought it was ridiculous to try and capture an image realistically without the use of paint. If nobody bothered about making change, you won't have a camera to be playing with today. Like I said, it's always one thing leading to another.

btw, you are on govt scholarship aren't you? And you appear to have a strong opinion about the stuff in p&p. Of course I'm taking things at a far-fetched level, but perhaps some day you could exercise that power (should you get it) and create change to the culture we have currently.

I am not expecting anything out of this thread, but just hoping for more Singaporeans to take the next step and to start pushing their works more rather than be contented just because their photos are sharp.

 

[forward]

That is really a beautiful way to challenge people to get
out of the kindergarten stuff of knowing how to get a
sharp picture... it's a fact beyond control until people
want to move to the next level.

It is indeed very challenging to see more exchange and
sharing of opinions and ideas in a up and coming
progreesive forum like Clubsnap.

It is you folks that have made exceptional progress to how
we can improve and keep improving on the so called
"artistic expression" of the human brain.

For sure, you need not have to know much about the
history of art or photography in order to produce something
no human has produce before though the knowledge of
it does help in customizing your thoughts and output.

The opportunities are out there for you to explore and
outstanding opportunities need not require you to travel
far and wide, it can right in front of your own backyard.

So be more outgoing, get more excited about the
the things that are inside your brain and with a support
group like what we have here, do we not feel being
challenged and feel with extreme excitement to make
more pictures?

 

[night86mare]

So be more outgoing, get more excited about the
the things that are inside your brain and with a support
group like what we have here, do we not feel being
challenged and feel with extreme excitement to make
more pictures?

actually, i want to ask you, how do you always manage to impose some sort of invisible boundaries on all your replies :bsmilie::bsmilie:

 

[zaren]

fine art photography in singapore is alive and well

#1

#2

 

[ortega]

just post your work here and then there will be
just don't get disheartened when not many people appreciated it

after all it is art and not everyone understands
do your part and make that change

 

[forward]

actually, i want to ask you, how do you always manage to impose some sort of invisible boundaries on all your replies :bsmilie::bsmilie:

Can we with a single exception treat everyone as the most important person on earth?
We will find cheerful photographers are happy photographers.
I am your humble servant always at your service.

:cheers:

 

[forward]

just post your work here and then there will be
just don't get disheartened when not many people appreciated it

after all it is art and not everyone understands
do your part and make that change

Before doing that, could someone define in more
detail all the areas available so that people can learn
how to appreciate the different type of fine art photography.

Could be something from abstract to erotic fine art!

:think:

 

[Jed]

I won't deny there will be those at the Louvre who try to act cultured (similar to the Emperor's New Clothes).

And there are those on Clubsnap who try to act cultured and look down upon the poor heathen souls who simply don't get it. :angel:

 

[ortega]

Before doing that, could someone define in more
detail all the areas available so that people can learn
how to appreciate the different type of fine art photography.

Could be something from abstract to erotic fine art!

:think:

art is your expression, so there is no definition available
basically every image must have a purpose of expression to the viewer

remember that not everyone will get what you are trying to show
some might see different things, but that is OK, accept all views and learn from them

 

[monolime]

at the same time, i think it is important to not fall into that trap - where you shoot for the sake of trying to be different.

Sometimes, subconciously or not, I felt like I have fallen into this trap. Basically, I think it has both pros and cons to it. In fact, I would encourage experimenting. Or pushing the boundaries, not of photography but a personal boundary first. Say, for example photographer A has been shooting macro every day in his life and then for a change, he decides to shoots with a zoom lens (bad example haha but hope i get the point across). That said, I am kinda pessimistic in the sense that everything has already been done already.
But still, I would encourage experimentation. And to enjoy the process of that.

Fine arts photography, to me, I would rather not try and define it but enjoy the process of taking photos. Terms are subjective and so is art. For example, some commercial photos does have that fine art feel to it and vice versa.

 

[forward]

We do see different things just like when some people
saw people acting cultured while others appreciated that
was an act of spending time in participation in this discussion
which is much better than those who prefer lurking instead.

From a general perspective one can start off doing glamour
photography, fashion to human figure studies. Here is an
example


The exploration can be a very exciting experience for finding
new ways to express in areas of mystery, sensitivity and
sensuality. Just the right step towards breaking into
one's self imposed limitations.

 

[Anthony Lee]

So, is a picture still worth a thousand words?

 

[forward]

It's interesting to note the punch line somehow comes
from a Chinese proverb as explained by Paul Martin Lester.

No doubt a "tremendous" picture could be understood
more with some words like those in photojournalism.

Most people look at the outer appearance of a picture
but not been able to know the inner meaning.

People are still learning how to communicate better.
The interpretation is what makes photography so
exciting and challenging.