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Sawasdee khrub or hi everyone at Clubsnap. I'm a Singaporean working in Thailand. Been lurking here for quite sometime till i take courage to register after reading the thread " why Clubsnap so quiet" I believe there're still wonderful people or moderators at Clubsnap. I always learn from other forums that said " no question is stupid. Stupid is not asking a question". Why i need to google alone or search for an answer myself when i have a ton of wonderful people here. However, I'm prepared to face any criticism if my behaviour or postings are deem not appropriate.
I'm planning my retirement and would like to spend more time taking better pictures. I have an old 400d which i had not touch it for 4-5 years and i would like to start learning again. I'm a true newbie thou this camera is with me for 5 years.
Till i think of what to ask, i would say that it's great to be in this wonderful forum.
Thanks.
 

Welcome to ClubSNAP :) I think it's never too late to start something new
We have plenty of sticky threads that should help newbies to find their way around the basics of photography. Your 400D might look old to those who always look for newest gear and best specs, but surely it is a capable camera to take great pictures. In many of the past discussions about 'gear vs skills' the conclusion goes towards skills, unless your subject requires very specific equipment. Contrary to popular belief (and sales stories), many pictures still can be taken with cameras that are some years old. I myself dug up my 350D, it still works well.
Enjoy your stay, enjoy the knowledge accumulated in the numerous threads and happy sharing of your pictures.
 

Thanks Octarine for the kind words and advices. Yes, i'll be sticking here for a long time learning and making wonderful friends.
My first question. Please correct me if i'm wrong. How do people take sharp pictures of birds with a nice bokeh background. I saw a fellow member here using a canon 100-400 lens with a aperture size of 4.5-6 ( i think ). Does nice bokeh always refer to wider aperture? If he shooting at 400mm the aperture will be at 6 right? Not sure i understand the theory behind all these? Apologise if I'm wrong. How do we control the picture in the end. If i wanted nice bokeh or i wanted a clear background? What determine all these? The camera, the setting, the len or the aperture on the len?
I hope i will not confuse all of you cos i also not sure if i'm saying right or not. :bsmilie:
 

When you refer to 'nice bokeh background' I think you need to understand the depth-of-field first, a nice article after a quick search:
https://www.slrlounge.com/four-factors-affect-depth-field/

A lot of good information on the basics in the in-house sticky:
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309544

Welcome to the world of photography :)

p.s. bokeh originally refers to the 'Quality' of the out of focus area, not how much / 'Quantity' the out of focus area is
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bokeh
However since a lot of people are using it to refer to the quantity, maybe after some time the definition will change
 

Thanks for all the constructive replies and advice. I'll read thru and will ask if i don't understand.
Thanks once again.
 

Thanks for all the constructive replies and advice. I'll read thru and will ask if i don't understand.
Thanks once again.

Retirees should have a hobby or two if possible.It also keep you sane and active in the mind.Appreciating art or nature brings you closer to your true self.;)
 

Retirees should have a hobby or two if possible.It also keep you sane and active in the mind.Appreciating art or nature brings you closer to your true self.;)

Hi one eye jack. Thanks for the advice. I try to read and write more too to keep my brain working. Old already and trying to balance my 400d is still a problem:bsmilie:
 

Hi one eye jack. Thanks for the advice. I try to read and write more too to keep my brain working. Old already and trying to balance my 400d is still a problem:bsmilie:

Having a self deprecating sense of humour is good.It demonstrate less control by the ego.Your 400D is still a capable camera as someone said: Cameras don't take pictures,people do.:)
 

Thanks shierwin and thoongeng for providing all these wonderful infos. Really appreciate the kind assistance. Thanks once again.
 

Hi all,
Read thru the links posted by the friendly members here. Forgive my ignorance. I still ask the same question.
Shooting birds on flight or stationery with a len 100-400 4.5-6 aperture. Should not be having a good bokeh base on my understanding below.
1. Len aperture not wide enough ( good bokeh should have a wide aperture)
2. Shooting distance is too far to create a bokeh effect considering a focal length of 400mm and a shooting distance of 30-40 metres.
3. Read the provided link, focal length do contribute to having a nice bokeh without using a wide aperture but the subject should be near the len.
I sincerely apologise if my above questions are stupid but if the len 100-400 is having a aperture at 2.8, i should not be asking this question. Please help to explain in layman term. Thank you all.
P.s: can't find the picture which show birds and bird in flight having a nice bokeh with a 100-400mm 4.5-6 aperture
 

Hi all,
Read thru the links posted by the friendly members here. Forgive my ignorance. I still ask the same question.
Shooting birds on flight or stationery with a len 100-400 4.5-6 aperture. Should not be having a good bokeh base on my understanding below.
1. Len aperture not wide enough ( good bokeh should have a wide aperture)
2. Shooting distance is too far to create a bokeh effect considering a focal length of 400mm and a shooting distance of 30-40 metres.
3. Read the provided link, focal length do contribute to having a nice bokeh without using a wide aperture but the subject should be near the len.
I sincerely apologise if my above questions are stupid but if the len 100-400 is having a aperture at 2.8, i should not be asking this question. Please help to explain in layman term. Thank you all.
P.s: can't find the picture which show birds and bird in flight having a nice bokeh with a 100-400mm 4.5-6 aperture

The best way to learn is to go out and take some photographs on your own. Use the longest focal length you have and shoot at the widest aperture, then stop down (increase the f-number) and shoot again. You will find out how far the background / foreground needs to be away from your subject for it to be enough out of focus.

Another way is to look at others photographs, flickr has a good repository and many provide the exif data (what the camera settings the photograph was shot at) as well. This is a group with photographs taken with the older Canon 100-400mm f4.5-5.6 lens:
https://www.flickr.com/groups/81265875@N00/pool/

For example in this randomly selected photograph:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/100473799@N05/32189266711/in/pool-81265875@N00/
It was shot on the Canon 600D, which has the same APS-C sensor size as your 400D, shot at 400mm, at aperture of f6.3. What do you think of the background?


Do note some photographs do not have exif data, and the members may have posted photographs not taken with the Canon 100-400mm lens in that group.

However it is good to note that at the usual distances the 100-400mm lens is used at, the depth of field is relatively shallow and background/foreground is generally quite blur. Experienced photographers will take note of the background when taking the shot, so as to move and select a more favourable background so their subject will stand out as far as possible.

And note that the original meaning of bokeh is the quality of blur, which is subjective and depends on the lens (or rather it's construction), rather than 'how blur the background is'. So a photograph taken with the Canon 100-400mm f4.5-5.6L IS will have a different bokeh compared to a photograph taken with the Canon 100-400mm f4.5-5.6L IS II lens, even with the same camera, at the same subject distance, aperture and focal length. Whether it's good or not is subjective and depends if you like it's rendering quality more or not
 

Thanks thoongeng. It's a piece of valuable advise. i'll try to shoot more to improve.
 

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