Inaccurate exposure with Canon flash unit


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Honestly...im not a technically gifted person, and neither is my Nikon user friend.
But when we are on assignment, we depend on our equipments to provide reliable results, just like our clients will depend on us to give them consistent pictures. I do agree to large extent with wat you said that certain camera brand is more suited for certain shoots..

No offence intended to you, my friend, but perhaps one should try and better understand his/her equipment. Equipment, however reliable, is still prone to failure, or technical hiccups. Knowing one's equipment thoroughly will help one to troubleshoot in the event of a failure or problematic behaviour.

It's like your IA drills. :o
 

No offence intended to you, my friend, but perhaps one should try and better understand his/her equipment. Equipment, however reliable, is still prone to failure, or technical hiccups. Knowing one's equipment thoroughly will help one to troubleshoot in the event of a failure or problematic behaviour.

It's like your IA drills. :o


We are discussing on purely the loose empirical discussion of the difference in pictures taken with flash from diff cameras and their possble underlying reasons and solutions. We are not discussing the thread owners attitude towards his equipments. Of cos everyone shld know everyone's equipment. The thread owner prob know what to know for himself. So lets sidestep such rhetorics and return to the topic at hand. :D
 

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Very interesting discussion here.. I have read somewhere that generally Nikon flash iTTL system slightly better than Canon e-TTL generally.
 

Well that is what we are here to discuss about.
This forum is very useful for sharing information and objective opinions that we cannot find on review websites and books.
I have learned so much in the last 12 hours about my flash system.
Rather than take a person's comments literally, I prefer to open the discussion so that seasoned users can share their knowledge and experience to us. Lets be objective and not pass judgement on anyone.
A suggestion is only as useful as an open mind.
 

Chances are, the 2 cameras meter the scene differently and thus send different information to the flash for it to decide on the flash power. Having said that, because of the inverse square law, it is impossible to light the background as evenly as the foreground given a typical banquet hall condition... unless the background is lit by other means (exiting light sources or flashguns aimed at lighting the background); regardless of what system or flash that is used, given that both flashes are fired off in a similar position and angle.
 

I just did a wedding shoot over the weekend with a friend.
Im using Canon 40D with 580EX II and his using the Nikon 200D with SB-800.
I noticed that when we were shooting indoor during dinner, both of us using f5.6 / shutter 60 / ISO 800, our image turned out totally different. Or to be more specific, in his image the exposure for the subject in the foreground and the background of the hall was incredible even and well exposed.
But for my image, if I get the correct exposure for my foreground subject, my background will be under-exposed. Or the background got the right exposure but the foreground subject will become over-exposed. One way or the other, I cannot acheive consistent exposure for my foreground subject and background. You get what I mean?
It is extremely frustrating especially when doing march in and group photos where the lighting changes from time to time.
My friend told me that's the problem with Canon flash and he actually switched to Nikon because of this.
And to add, I received the same feedbacks from 2 experienced photographers about this problem and both also switched to Nikon.
I hope I am wrong about this or using a wrong technique.
But just like to hear from the seasoned Canon users their opinion or advice how I can overcome this issue.

Why not ask the same friend who shot using his Nikon to shoot using your Canon?
 

Chances are, the 2 cameras meter the scene differently and thus send different information to the flash for it to decide on the flash power. Having said that, because of the inverse square law, it is impossible to light the background as evenly as the foreground given a typical banquet hall condition... unless the background is lit by other means (exiting light sources or flashguns aimed at lighting the background); regardless of what system or flash that is used, given that both flashes are fired off in a similar position and angle.

I would say metering methods have a great part to play. Because of how the camera reads the scene, then communicates to the flash, and how both the camera and flash work individually, and together as a unit, you may get variable results.

Your friend might be on a mode called TTL-BL on his Nikon Speedlight. This means the flash will read exposure settings and try to fill in with the flash such that your result is more balanced with the ambient light. :dunno:
 

With so many factors at play, I think thats why some working photog who depends heavily on flash sometimes turn to Nikon, as it give more conisistent results "out-of-the-box", as compared to some other system that may need more tweaking. Hmm, shall we post this in Nikon forum and invite some discussion and flak?
:bsmilie:

de-stan, start a thread there leh, we will bring some extinguisher when u "catch fire". jokes aside I think some Nikonians can shed some insights and findings with us
 

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does 40D meters more accurately?

Maybe. But they do meter differently. 40D doesn't heavily prioritize the active AF point as 10D. Also 40D is a bit more conservative.

de_stan: I tried to help but apparently you're not so interested in solving the problem and keep going back to the brand X vs. brand Y thing. :dunno: Good luck with your photographs.
 

inconsistent exposure of canon flash is a long known truth, I use Nikon btw.. the only solution is to use manual in ur flash and leave the camera settling as what u have. so overall. it doesnt matter where u meter. exposure will be the same .
 

Why not ask the same friend who shot using his Nikon to shoot using your Canon?

hey,, I have try.. No problem at all.. it the Photographer .. not your equipment
 

I do feel the same about Canon Flash...
I can shoot 2 shots at the same scene and settings and come up with 2 different exposures/image

It is frustrating at times... that's why i long for a new canon cam with good enough ISO performace so that I will never ever have to use the canon flash in low light (ball room / indoors etc)

To cap it off... the locking mechanism of the 580mk2 is definitely not top notch...
out of nowhere.. the flash will stop triggering for no good reason
this is true, at least for the 4 copies I have used before
when it happens to 4 copies bought seperately and on different cameras... u start to stress if the darn flash is gonna fail you at a critical moment which is quite stressful

On a sidenote.. anyone selling 580mk1?! hahahaha
 

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I think there is nothing wrong with your flash unit. 580 II is a powerful flash. What is happening is the setting you have set based on the lens (BTW, what lens are you using?) that you are using is not exposing the background adequately. You should meter the surroundings with allow exposure under -1 to -1.5 stops and then fill the foreground subjects with your flash and everything will turnout nicely.

Hi i usually use this technique when the background is much brighter and the subjuect become a silioutte ...I sometime have this problem to with the back ground to dark which i dun really like . Is it a common techniquue u use to have a more balance lighting ....think i can use this duirng event :think:

As a nikon user myself ie sb600 there is a function BL TTL which will balance the background light and forground ..sometime work sometime dun i.e maybe i dun really know how to used it :embrass:
 

goodness!

i aiming for a 580EX II!!!

what should i do?
 

goodness!

i aiming for a 580EX II!!!

what should i do?

I find that I can get consistent result using 580EX and my 20D. It's a matter of practice, experience, and figuring out what the camera / flash combo will do under certain situations. I'd offer some suggestions, but the OP declined to post images so we're reduced to debating about differences in flash systems.
 

I do feel the same about Canon Flash...
I can shoot 2 shots at the same scene and settings and come up with 2 different exposures/image

It is frustrating at times... that's why i long for a new canon cam with good enough ISO performace so that I will never ever have to use the canon flash in low light (ball room / indoors etc)

To cap it off... the locking mechanism of the 580mk2 is definitely not top notch...
out of nowhere.. the flash will stop triggering for no good reason
this is true, at least for the 4 copies I have used before
when it happens to 4 copies bought seperately and on different cameras... u start to stress if the darn flash is gonna fail you at a critical moment which is quite stressful

On a sidenote.. anyone selling 580mk1?! hahahaha

Oh my, tats bad. Sorry to hear that. To the contrary, i LOVE the locking mechanism, its fast and reasonably secure (not that i go cliff-hanging and Iraq field photog, :bsmilie:)
Yes, the flash did stop on me several times. Had to switch off and on the cam and the flash again. And I thot I was alone!
 

you arent the only one,, many infact refretted buying 580II

Can I speculate?

Canon 580Mk3 will be announced tomorrow! :bsmilie::bsmilie::bsmilie: Just joking.

Would certainly like to grab hold of a nikon system to test out
 

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