In praise of Canon
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knneo said:Sorry, sidetrack abit.
Canon = Ta Pau
So translate.
Once a Ta Pau, always a Ta Pau.
Cheers. Enjoy the weekend, everyone. Anyone going to J8 for photoshot - Angela Chang will be appearing there tomorrow.
U mean 大炮？ Actually those are only true if u've a large lens like those 300mm f/2.8, 400mm f/2.8, 500mm f/4 and 600mm f/4 :bsmilie:
Angela Chang i've shot her before n my sch's mini concert so enjoy yr shoot!
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Ta Pau = 他跑knneo said:Sorry, sidetrack abit.
Canon = Ta Pau
So translate.
Once a Ta Pau, always a Ta Pau.
Cheers. Enjoy the weekend, everyone. Anyone going to J8 for photoshot - Angela Chang will be appearing there tomorrow.
Da Pao = 大炮
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imaginary_number
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knneo said:Sorry, sidetrack abit.
Canon = Ta Pau
So translate.
Once a Ta Pau, always a Ta Pau.
Cheers. Enjoy the weekend, everyone. Anyone going to J8 for photoshot - Angela Chang will be appearing there tomorrow.
That's Cannon, not Canon. Different words.
yukazunori
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love Canon's great color reproduction and definitely L lens, i'm canon all the way lol been using for quite a number of years and still satisfied with CANON~! haha =)
Jemapela
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To upgrade my manual focus SLR system, I considered AF SLRs from Nikon, Canon and other brands. One distinct difference about Canon was the fully electronic mount and how they explained that each lens has it's own AF motors inside. Every other brand put its AF motor in the camera. This radically different design by Canon turned out to be far more superior as long-time faithful Canon users would bear witness to.
In 1991, I got EOS 630 (first generation EOS). EOS 630 is a semi-professional model, and for it's excellent specifications, it was priced so affordably at $500+. With the fast AF and fast built-in motor drive (5fps), there wasn't an offer as sweet as this from the other brands (not even Nikon). Bought with the pretty solid EF 70-210mm f/3.5-4.5 USM (no longer available but I wished it still is), the AF was blazing fast and deaf quiet.
The EOS 630 served me well with no major faults and repairs, and although seldom used now, it still works. I suspect that even today, it's AF speed is still comparable to today's new AF SLRs, unlike the models of other brands back of that time.
Canon progressed to inventing/pioneering Ultra Sonic Motor, Eye Control, and Image Stabiliser technologies which other brands later followed. Also, in digital cameras, Canon often used CMOS sensors which were then considered inferior due to their vulnerability to noise when compared to CCD. However, Canon made their CMOS sensor and noise circuitry so well that they often produced less noise levels than their CCD competitors (making their competitors look bad). Even now, Canon's CMOS against it competitor's CMOS still shows Canon tends to have lower noise.
Clearly, Canon was releasing innovative and better technologies first and having the competition copying them later.
Since 1997, Canon has been ranked 2nd or 3rd in the world for the number of US patents registered. This shows how much Canon spends on research and development. Other major SLR camera manufacturers, such as Nikon, Minolta, Pentax, etc, are not in the top 6 places for the number of patents.
However, Canon is not without faults/flaws. Apparently, it's flash exposure system seems to be not as well thought out as Nikon's. Some say Minolta's honeycomb pattern metering is better, and now with it's body integral Anti-Shake, Canon's IS lenses look like a bad joke.
I also agree with a ClubSnap member that the AF systems in some of its non-professional bodies are inaccurate. In my opinion, the 20D is one of them (but maybe I'm comparing with my EOS 3). Interestingly, even my cheapo budget beginner EOS 300V is more accurate (but this camera takes its AF system from a previous EOS 1 model).
In 1991, I got EOS 630 (first generation EOS). EOS 630 is a semi-professional model, and for it's excellent specifications, it was priced so affordably at $500+. With the fast AF and fast built-in motor drive (5fps), there wasn't an offer as sweet as this from the other brands (not even Nikon). Bought with the pretty solid EF 70-210mm f/3.5-4.5 USM (no longer available but I wished it still is), the AF was blazing fast and deaf quiet.
The EOS 630 served me well with no major faults and repairs, and although seldom used now, it still works. I suspect that even today, it's AF speed is still comparable to today's new AF SLRs, unlike the models of other brands back of that time.
Canon progressed to inventing/pioneering Ultra Sonic Motor, Eye Control, and Image Stabiliser technologies which other brands later followed. Also, in digital cameras, Canon often used CMOS sensors which were then considered inferior due to their vulnerability to noise when compared to CCD. However, Canon made their CMOS sensor and noise circuitry so well that they often produced less noise levels than their CCD competitors (making their competitors look bad). Even now, Canon's CMOS against it competitor's CMOS still shows Canon tends to have lower noise.
Clearly, Canon was releasing innovative and better technologies first and having the competition copying them later.
Since 1997, Canon has been ranked 2nd or 3rd in the world for the number of US patents registered. This shows how much Canon spends on research and development. Other major SLR camera manufacturers, such as Nikon, Minolta, Pentax, etc, are not in the top 6 places for the number of patents.
However, Canon is not without faults/flaws. Apparently, it's flash exposure system seems to be not as well thought out as Nikon's. Some say Minolta's honeycomb pattern metering is better, and now with it's body integral Anti-Shake, Canon's IS lenses look like a bad joke.
I also agree with a ClubSnap member that the AF systems in some of its non-professional bodies are inaccurate. In my opinion, the 20D is one of them (but maybe I'm comparing with my EOS 3). Interestingly, even my cheapo budget beginner EOS 300V is more accurate (but this camera takes its AF system from a previous EOS 1 model).
Ta Pau = 20D With 70-200 IS
Big, Loud, once fired All will look at you,,,,,
Now what I like about Canon is the White colour plus the Red Ring ...
Usm ... Fast and sharp .
Solid body ...
plus .... all the meter , Zoom Ring , is opp the Band "N"
best of all .. is there is a cute gal in the Canon service center ,,,,,,,
senor cleaning .. anyone ??
Big, Loud, once fired All will look at you,,,,,
Now what I like about Canon is the White colour plus the Red Ring ...
Usm ... Fast and sharp .
Solid body ...
plus .... all the meter , Zoom Ring , is opp the Band "N"
best of all .. is there is a cute gal in the Canon service center ,,,,,,,
senor cleaning .. anyone ??
raptor84
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Only recently got myself a EOS 300v (never knew it inherited an old 1 series AF system) and learned quite a bit of photography with it. Recently got to try out a 300D also and having used a digital P &S for so long i am very pleased with the noise control and overall usability of it. Hope to save up enough in the near future to buy my own DLSR body...
Why EOS?
1) Most features and user controls at an given price. (eg MLU, cfn, WB shift etc)
2) Cleanest iso 800 and 1600
2) Real iso speed 1/3 - 1/2 stop higher than rated
3) Excellent DPP raw software comes with package.
4) Intuitive user interface and good overall ergomomics
5) Excellent Jpeg image processing
6) Wide range of eos lenses and IS lenses
1) Most features and user controls at an given price. (eg MLU, cfn, WB shift etc)
2) Cleanest iso 800 and 1600
2) Real iso speed 1/3 - 1/2 stop higher than rated
3) Excellent DPP raw software comes with package.
4) Intuitive user interface and good overall ergomomics
5) Excellent Jpeg image processing
6) Wide range of eos lenses and IS lenses
JediForce4ever said:
It's called 'marketing gimmick'. Because there are ppl out there that are gullible enough to believe that they need that many AF points to take good photos or that having that many will make them better photographers.
Ideally, all you need is 5 but not the way Nikon lays them out in the D70s and F5. I'd rather have them at each cross section of the grid in the 'rule of thirds' and one right in the middle.
One look at the EOS3's VF and I exclaimed 'Good Grief'! How is the one supposed to concentrate on composing through that mess they are looking at.
Sandman77 said:Ta Pau = 20D With 70-200 IS
Big, Loud, once fired All will look at you,,,,,
Now what I like about Canon is the White colour plus the Red Ring ...
Usm ... Fast and sharp .
Solid body ...
plus .... all the meter , Zoom Ring , is opp the Band "N"
best of all .. is there is a cute gal in the Canon service center ,,,,,,,
senor cleaning .. anyone ??
NO!!!!NOOOOOOO.
It's Canon EOS-1D Mark II N with EF 600mm f/4L IS USM. That'll be DA PAO....
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Sensor cleaning. Did that once using blower far, far away. Don't even know whether am I cleaning it or not.
Jemapela said:
My view is that it is a wise move.
Actually it maybe that it is not that "difficult" to build in antishake into a body.
It may have its place in low budget novice point and shoot.
Many Jap brands have it now in $500 to $800 P&S.
Maybe Canon could do so a very long time ago if it wanted to.
But it did not do that in its top end SLRs.
Canon made a design decision.
Letting the IS go on to lens means SLR users have a choice.
When to use IS lens and when not to.
For example if I mostly shoot with 17mm lenses in bright light, then what anti-shake do I need?
For example, if my style of shooting is to always use a tripod, then why do I need a camera body with built in anti-shake?
Canon is wise enough to know that :-
1) its users are varied and have vastly different ways of using the SLR.
2) in design, one always make compromises and trade-offs.
You build in something, and some other design parameter suffers.
If you want a camera body built like the EOS 1V or 1DS Mk2, then a pro-level body is best done without built-in anti-shake.
Will a SLR camera body with built in anti-shake survive a 20 day bumpy ride in the African safari, will it live and work in freezing cold in Siberian winter (-20 to -40ºC), will it take the searing heat in Sahara desert?
Will it work in rain soaked tropical regions?
Frankly I do not think so.
I think the EOS 1V and 1 DS Mk2 can live through some of these and deliver the goods.
Canon is also wise enough to know that it users do not always like to use IS telephotos.
I do not.
There are optical compromises which I cannot tolerate.
And unlike a Pro-photog, if I don't like the resulting photo, I can always choose not to take it.
Some may say, one can switch off the built-in anti-shake in the body.
True, but there may be already something in between, or an algorithm that affects your pic in some way.
One more thing. A SLR with built in anti-shake may or may not work with off-brand third party long telephotos. I think there would be some protectionist way of making the anti-shake not working or not working well with off-brand lenses. Not too sure about this. But very likely. I mean, if one can design a special hotshoe just to force users to buy their own brand of flashes, then this is the kind of protectionist thinking that envelopes the entire soul of the company. Until it dies from such narrow mindedness. And it did.
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