I hate Mac

[Watcher]

Wait, ability to permit is also the same ability to deny what...

Nope. Not at all. I guess, this is going too deep. Speak to you F2F....

Why do you need a del flag? I never understood nor see a need, trashbin is just a storage folder for files you drag off the UNIX/Mac OS X desktop. I can easily modify the alias for 'rm' command to do that.

Eh, if you have multi users... :sweat:

*Beep beep* Personal attack

It is still true; you are a VERY BIG PERSON

Yeah, blame M$ programmers

Eh... ICQ/ iTunes written by Microsoft? In fact, many MS product can run several instances; only these app programmers think they are to soooo clever...

Why blame the programmer, why not blame the over all design of the OS. The developers develop on the set of rules and platform to support. If you say it's developer, then why does Mac OS/Linux upon access to root/sysadmin's functions will still be able to pick up ACL controls and prompt accordingly for passwords

Two words: Backward compatibility. Mac has its zealots who will stick through thick and thin; even "abused" by Apple/Steve Job, they will stay. 2 architectural shifts in 4 years is the proof of that...

I always had to log out of Win2K's ordinary user, to login as Administrator so that I can save my EyeOne Profile after calibration. If I had to do that on Mac OS X, accessing a system folder would prompt me for password.

Hehe..

The application programmer can use the impersonation feature or even a simple write to local drive as admin to access the installation directory (which shows that the protection is working somewhat). If this "prompt for password" feature is not asked for, why would they bother to implement it?

 

[maddog]

Wah, juz following this thread from 1 to page 7 had taught me lots about the Mac. I have juz changed platforms to the Mac and the first 3 days was a real headache. Almost wanted to get rid of this PowerBook G4 until I got ProImage to give me quick tutorial over dinner. He's good not only in teaching cam tricks. hehe .

I think it takes time and a little help to understand Macs especially if you are a die hard Windows guy like me. I think it is well worth the change.

BTW, I am using 10.4.2 OS X and to switch tabs, I have to use Apple + tab. Not sure about the rest of u guys.

This thread turns out to be quite informational... I'm hating Mac less by the post.

 

[Wai]

Does MAC has server OS wanna upgrade my WIN2003

http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/

 

[espn]

What I mean about the delete is this: I can give a person RWX permission but not Delete. Or I can give groups (of users) access to a resource, but to deny a specific user or a group of users permission.

Can... allocate a the user to a group of users which can access the delete command.

 

[espn]

Nope. Not at all. I guess, this is going too deep. Speak to you F2F....

Coffee on you :sticktong

It is still true; you are a VERY BIG PERSON

I'm not big person, I'm just big boned :sticktong

Eh... ICQ/ iTunes written by Microsoft? In fact, many MS product can run several instances; only these app programmers think they are to soooo clever...

That I don't deny, yep, there are applications that run many instances, the new MS Word etc all can open multiple files and takes up a seperate instance on the taskbar, but even if ICQ cannot be run on the same PC a 2nd time, don't need to kill the process on the other user right? Right now facing this kind of concurrent login issues on my XP Pro.

Two words: Backward compatibility. Mac has its zealots who will stick through thick and thin; even "abused" by Apple/Steve Job, they will stay. 2 architectural shifts in 4 years is the proof of that...

Pleased to say, even with the shift, you can still run apps, written on OS 9 via Classic on OS X. If Mac can, so should windoze!

The application programmer can use the impersonation feature or even a simple write to local drive as admin to access the installation directory (which shows that the protection is working somewhat). If this "prompt for password" feature is not asked for, why would they bother to implement it?

Protection? I won't say it's protection, it should have prompted me for access, login/password, and after performing the action, kill off my rights immediately.

 

[shojibake]

Can... allocate a the user to a group of users which can access the delete command.

What I mean about the delete is this: I can give a person RWX permission but not Delete. Or I can give groups (of users) access to a resource, but to deny a specific user or a group of users permission.

Yes precisely what sudo can do. Also can stick the file meant for rw but not delete into a directory with g-w. The group can then only read/write but not delete. For specific actions can use sudo to add a user or group that can execute just that one particular command like rm. If you cron it, then you can allow that to happen within a time frame. Can windows do that? Schedule de-elevation of privileges?

 

[jbma]

agree...I have installed so many anti-spyware, scanner, anti-virus scanner and even 3rd party software to prevent unauthorised installation of popup and tool bar...

i even tried to set the account to Users, installation of program should not be allowed, but those spyware, virus, popup still manage to come in

now i just ghost the whole OS into CD...anything wrong i just ghost it back instead of reinstall windows all over

Same here. Been doing this for 2 years already. Anything goes wrong pop in the cd and boot from cd and everything eill be back to normal

 

[Watcher]

That I don't deny, yep, there are applications that run many instances, the new MS Word etc all can open multiple files and takes up a seperate instance on the taskbar, but even if ICQ cannot be run on the same PC a 2nd time, don't need to kill the process on the other user right? Right now facing this kind of concurrent login issues on my XP Pro.

Who is doing the killing of processes here? Most likely ICQ itself

Pleased to say, even with the shift, you can still run apps, written on OS 9 via Classic on OS X. If Mac can, so should windoze!

Then why must Adobe, Microsoft and others rewrite it if they are not "Carbonized" (if I got the term correct)? Or those using the SIMD Altivec instructions?

 

[Watcher]

Yes precisely what sudo can do. Also can stick the file meant for rw but not delete into a directory with g-w. The group can then only read/write but not delete. For specific actions can use sudo to add a user or group that can execute just that one particular command like rm. If you cron it, then you can allow that to happen within a time frame. Can windows do that? Schedule de-elevation of privileges?

So if I have 200 person in 1 group and for 1 particular file or set of files I wish to exclude a user or a group of users, I must create a new group without these users and reassign the group? Have you seen how management of groups are? Or explicit deny permission on NT or VMS?

As for scheduleing, why not? There is the equivalent of cron and scripting (WSH) to do so. I can even impersonate or delegate.

 

[Pro Image]

This thread turns out to be quite informational... I'm hating Mac less by the post.

Haha......that is good!

 

[Pro Image]

Wah, juz following this thread from 1 to page 7 had taught me lots about the Mac. I have juz changed platforms to the Mac and the first 3 days was a real headache. Almost wanted to get rid of this PowerBook G4 until I got ProImage to give me quick tutorial over dinner. He's good not only in teaching cam tricks. hehe .

I think it takes time and a little help to understand Macs especially if you are a die hard Windows guy like me. I think it is well worth the change.

BTW, I am using 10.4.2 OS X and to switch tabs, I have to use Apple + tab. Not sure about the rest of u guys.

EK,

It will turn out to be even easier to learn by the end of the week!

 

[Watcher]

Frankly, this discussion is degenerating into unix vs windows

I don't wish to participate as this a useless kind of discussion. I have used and administer unix boxes for >12 years including the main portal of one of the ISPs here, as well as using NT since its 3.1 days.

Know your tools well and don't let your prejudices limit your knowledge.

 

[maddog]

Not quite OT as Mac has Unix as it's filesystem. I read that open source folks were not happy with Apple as the flavour of BSD used was not qualified.

 

[maddog]

Haha......that is good!

But I still prefer Windows.... :bsmilie:

 

[Clown]

I though Lion should be next.

do i hear krado coming?

 

[espn]

That one is HWZ one... :bsmilie:

 

[King Tiger]

:think: :dunno:

 

[whoelse]

1. I spend $1500 on a peecee running windows.
2. I get virus, trojan.
3. I installed Anti-virus, personal firewall.
4. My performance now became half, my investment became half too.
5. Encounter wierd and unexplain behavior, reinstall again average 1 year.
6. Repeat #2 if not break to #7.

7. Remove anti-virus, personal firewall.
8. My performance increase 100% and I regain my investment.
9. Disable internet connection on windows.
10. Continue to do my word, excel, games, PDA.
11. Happy.

12. Use Linux and Mac for Internet.
13. After 2 years, still the same Linux and Mac.
14. Still having the same Windows running games, PDA, office documents.
15. Happy Happy!
16. Repeat #7.

Use what it is good for and what you like and value for your hard earn $$$.

 

[Wai]

do i hear krado coming?

That one is HWZ one... :bsmilie:

We have one little "krado" in CS also, but not for AMD :bsmilie: