Ha .... this is an entire different discussion about the woman behind the "man behind the camera":bsmilie:.
I hate it when ppl say "its not the camera, its the person behine it"
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Ha .... this is an entire different discussion about the woman behind the "man behind the camera":bsmilie:.
but why do people have to know photography to use a DSLR, for me it is a proper piece of equipment to freeze time.
I say, move on, DSLR's price has dropped so much, it is becoming the norm camera for the everyday holiday snappers.
But I feel, maybe because of this, that it is threatening the exclusivity that "photography enthusiast" enjoy previously.
Knowingly or unknowingly, we are been classified based on the equipment we carry. People want to carry a certain equipment to show their status, other people think that they should not carry the piece of equipment because their perceived lack of knowledge does not qualify them to carry that piece of equipment........Common, we got more important things to worry about,,,,like if Manu is going to win the title a 19th time...:bsmilie:
Move on guys, technology is here to change people's life, and the scary thing is, it is actually changing people's life...................Go Go Go.......
I am driving but I dont even know if there is an engine in my car, because I have never open up my bonnet to check.....:dunno: So where does that put me:dunno:
Go,....... go out and take pictures
Then I suppose you are talking too much about wanna buy more gear. Unfortunately it is true - the truth of that statement is more evident the stronger the talent and abiltiy of the shooter. If you are so vex about hearing talk less about your gear to these people, if really so vex why do you want to talk to them at all. Think about it. Be honest you want pats on the back, to hear things like "you the man".
spheredome
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Well said and illustrated. :thumbsup:
I would like to add on with one illustration (there are many but I shall pick the IT area): During the time when computers just began to take shape in homes and SME, the computer guys thought that they were superior beings, fixing problem and cleaning viruses. Years later as more books, schools, better technology, software, internet and lower price, the normal users soon produces better computer presentation and written text than the IT guys. IT guys felt angered that their knowledge and skills have been "commoned" and value drops.
Then they proceeded to deal in high-end hardware where normal users won't buy and their profession once again becomes niche. But not long, production efficient picks up, price drop and soon kids/youngsters are better than the IT guys in assembling the fast computer. The IT guys got angered that their prestiged possession and interest becomes a commoner's use.
The story is, things change, so learn to change. Changing is not always sweet and easy or work well all the time. But even if you just sit there doing nothing, the surrounding will change. Therefore don't pick on what or who is doing photography, just concentrate on what you can do.
I would like to add on with one illustration (there are many but I shall pick the IT area): During the time when computers just began to take shape in homes and SME, the computer guys thought that they were superior beings, fixing problem and cleaning viruses. Years later as more books, schools, better technology, software, internet and lower price, the normal users soon produces better computer presentation and written text than the IT guys. IT guys felt angered that their knowledge and skills have been "commoned" and value drops.
Then they proceeded to deal in high-end hardware where normal users won't buy and their profession once again becomes niche. But not long, production efficient picks up, price drop and soon kids/youngsters are better than the IT guys in assembling the fast computer. The IT guys got angered that their prestiged possession and interest becomes a commoner's use.
The story is, things change, so learn to change. Changing is not always sweet and easy or work well all the time. But even if you just sit there doing nothing, the surrounding will change. Therefore don't pick on what or who is doing photography, just concentrate on what you can do.
but why do people have to know photography to use a DSLR, for me it is a proper piece of equipment to freeze time.
I say, move on, DSLR's price has dropped so much, it is becoming the norm camera for the everyday holiday snappers.
But I feel, maybe because of this, that it is threatening the exclusivity that "photography enthusiast" enjoy previously.
Knowingly or unknowingly, we are been classified based on the equipment we carry. People want to carry a certain equipment to show their status, other people think that they should not carry the piece of equipment because their perceived lack of knowledge does not qualify them to carry that piece of equipment........Common, we got more important things to worry about,,,,like if Manu is going to win the title a 19th time...:bsmilie:
Move on guys, technology is here to change people's life, and the scary thing is, it is actually changing people's life...................Go Go Go.......
I am driving but I dont even know if there is an engine in my car, because I have never open up my bonnet to check.....:dunno: So where does that put me:dunno:
Go,....... go out and take pictures
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talking to me ah?
if its a answer to my 1st post.. then i think need to read all the post as its not the case.. i dont talk so much really.. just simply mention i want to get a new lens beside the kit one to explore further.. and i hear this statement whenever i want to discuss about equipment.
i also believe many of us also enjoy talking bout camera gears as much as taking photo... if not then this forum or this thread won't go so far..
Dezmund Soh
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Personally I feel its both also...my friends have began their photogrpahy experience with a DSLR recently and they are very happy as their cameras can process and do more...despite them being really new beginners...they just need to practise and understand the basics more...
When I say "its the man...", I pay tribute to my master...SprayLord...he takes breathtaking pictures even with his Sony Ericsson camera phone...
When I say "its the man...", I pay tribute to my master...SprayLord...he takes breathtaking pictures even with his Sony Ericsson camera phone...
night86mare
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I think you should stop hanging out with those "friends". Choose like-minded individuals to go shoot with, you would enjoy the journey so much more. Its true
yes!
it is also good, then the people who want to concentrate on photography, can concentrate on photography.
the ones who want to find excuse to shoot xmm, can do so themselves. :bsmilie:
voldisinarta
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I have a funny story...
I once met a guy, who's holding the latest pro DSLR plus an expensive f/2.8 lens. He was very proud of his gear, holding it over his shoulder so everyone can see it...
I was around with my DSLR, which price was not even a third of his and I use a lens which price maybe one-fifth of his.
After some chit-chat about photography, he bluntly told me that I should use something "better", since my current one will limit my creativity and ability to get a good picture. He mentioned about the Internet review of my gear, that many people finds it limiting, etc... etc...
I answered him that I feel my gears are enough for me, a casual shooter.
I took a picture, and he wanted to see it since he was interested on how I took it. I showed it to him, and he said he wanted to try to do the same thing. I remember whan he said "Your lens has vignetting problem. You see? The dark corners? blah... blah... blah."
Then I asked him whether his lens has vignetting problem also... and he mentioned that his lens has no vignetting problem at any focal length and even the widest aperture...
Then we went our own ways. I saw him starting to try taking a similiar photo like mine.
A few hours later we walked pass each other, and I casually asked him whether he managed to get a shot like mine...
He didn't answer, and just walked pass...
Well, maybe he didn't hear my question.
My two cents.
V
I once met a guy, who's holding the latest pro DSLR plus an expensive f/2.8 lens. He was very proud of his gear, holding it over his shoulder so everyone can see it...
I was around with my DSLR, which price was not even a third of his and I use a lens which price maybe one-fifth of his.
After some chit-chat about photography, he bluntly told me that I should use something "better", since my current one will limit my creativity and ability to get a good picture. He mentioned about the Internet review of my gear, that many people finds it limiting, etc... etc...
I answered him that I feel my gears are enough for me, a casual shooter.
I took a picture, and he wanted to see it since he was interested on how I took it. I showed it to him, and he said he wanted to try to do the same thing. I remember whan he said "Your lens has vignetting problem. You see? The dark corners? blah... blah... blah."
Then I asked him whether his lens has vignetting problem also... and he mentioned that his lens has no vignetting problem at any focal length and even the widest aperture...
Then we went our own ways. I saw him starting to try taking a similiar photo like mine.
A few hours later we walked pass each other, and I casually asked him whether he managed to get a shot like mine...
He didn't answer, and just walked pass...
Well, maybe he didn't hear my question.
My two cents.
V
david_goh
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This is so debatable, it comes down to how you look at it.
Many will agree that both the shooter and the gears are important. But yes, the photogr is still more important. We have many examples of photogrs who use lower-end equipments but shoot amazing shots. But haven't really heard of 'not so good' photogrs who have great shots because of his fantastic gears.
If you take it in that spirit; yes "It's not the camera, it's the person behind it".
Many will agree that both the shooter and the gears are important. But yes, the photogr is still more important. We have many examples of photogrs who use lower-end equipments but shoot amazing shots. But haven't really heard of 'not so good' photogrs who have great shots because of his fantastic gears.
If you take it in that spirit; yes "It's not the camera, it's the person behind it".
Precisely, just shoot with those who have similar interests, everyone is happy
Ppl can still continue shooting XMM, who has say anyway. Anything goes. lol
I agree with your opinion.
Let's critically consider the following:
1. Will a Leica club identify your image superior if they can identify it was capture with Japanese brand (believe me it is absolutely possible as there're obvious hallmarks in the image that can suggest what was being used)
2. Will a photoclub whose members pat one another and had not being exposed to other philosophy and art of image making think twice about your philosophy and seance?
3. Will a particular brand of camera sponsoring a competition allow an image of a rival brand to grab the top prize in a competition held in its marketing efforts?
4. Will a bunch of obsenly wealthy folks think high on a image if they know it came from a 200 bucks camera?
5. What wiill an art critic think about your image using what he knows about transfomation and periods of art revolution and the style, philosophy, expression and various interpretations?
The point is, if you join a group that thinks in line with you, the queston in your title will never come. But if you join a different group, meet someone who's thoughts are from a different group or even join an event organised by a different group, than such pain will intensify.
That said, if you can't find groups who thinks like you, why not start one?
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RichardSeah
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1. I like the way you use the words "rest rest" together. It's the writing equivalent of a great photo
2. To me, more sian that, when people see a good photo, they ask: "Eh what camera / lens you use ah?"
3. Once, a friend asked that sort of question and I said the eye is more important than the equipment and he responded by saying that I imply his eyes are terok! Alamak, must be more careful with what I say!
4. Certain effects can ONLY be produced with certain types of equipment. Eg to take a super wide angle shot, you obviously must have a super wide angle lens, or to freeze, eg, the motion of a bullet you need camera with fast enough shutter speed plus a proper set up to synchronise the gun shooting with camera shooting. So in that sense, equipment can also be very important. That said, whether your super wide angle or frozen bullet shot looks good still depends on YOU.
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