Hypocritical SomeFormOfHuman

[sinned79]

Yes I purposely post in this section cos simple fact. SomeFormOfHuman is a load of rubbish and hypocritical person.

See last few post in his thread:
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/land...ns-weekly-singapore-city-landscapes-=-19.html

See my edutilos- pm me after SomeFormOfHuman crash into his thread accusing edutilos- of stealing angles.

Denis,

Never mind him la.

Can remove your post? Want to move on... Afraid he will just hitch on and argue some more.. :sweat: He sent a PM apologising, so let's just leave it at that, ok? Thanks a lot.

Regards,
WK

I obliged and deleted my posts on edutilos- thread.

Then shortly SomeFormOfHuman pm me as well as regards to edutilos-

Hi,

In regards to what you have replied, no there was a bit of a misconception going on and I think we have settled it peacefully.

To be honest, it doesn't really matter who or what night86mare is, or how good a particular photographer is, I believe everyone whether novice or professional, won awards or not, does not constrain his freedom to speak and clarify about things in mind. And honestly, I think skill isn't measured by how good by the number of jobs he does, the number of likes and comments received or awards won.

and btw no one can ever claim rights to ideas of photo. b4 u already many ppl are doing it.

I'm talking about the angle and view in general. I've searched thoroughly all over the internet for a long time now and no one has done that before, the HDB is brand new and I saw it since my Poly days in SP. I'm anal by the originality of my photography as I do not favour shooting what others have done (view and angle in general) That's me though. It's not only I discovered his shot that looked similar to mine. So I needed to clarify where he got the idea or was he inspired by what I shot especially for the one in Sembawang and if so, a small thanks in appreciation makes my day. Nothing condescending, and no one is a "thief" here. :bsmilie:

Anyway it's no issue and I was wondering if you could delete what you have written and forget about this whole ordeal? edutilos and I have already done so. Please.

Regards,

And his latest reply:

I read what you wrote in the last message you replied to me in my thread. Seems like you really do have issues with me which I didn't even have any of your concern - and I'm surprised you have such a BIG problem with it. I, however, shall stand for what I wrote, and till now I see no harm in expressing my views. And you have your own opinions about it. And I respect that. If you think that way about how I wrote is not to your liking, then that is your concern. However, there is one issue that I need to address: your method of assumptions and accusations without even finding out the true initial outcome of things has to change.

For edutilos, there you are ranting about me that I have done absolutely, bear no fault or grudge against you, hereby again giving false accusations that I "accused" him of "stealing angles", and you, totally none of your concern and without even asking, or PMing him whether the result of him "stealing" (OK, since you put it that way, we'll try your way) was true, and worst part is you gladly ASSUMED that I "accused" him into doing that? Besides, not that I've recalled writing any part of my PM to you calling him or anyone a thief unlike what you say to me. Tell me that was written without even putting on your reading glasses to look so-ever closely to the screen to read what I said exactly.

and I quote: "typical young childish singaporean seeking for attention and being a quiter when you did not get what you want."

Honestly you left me no choice but to speak my mind: I used to work as a kindergarten teacher (if that gives you any dime about my life), guess what? Most 5 year olds amazingly do give the aurora and sense of falsenesses, childish accusations and remarks about their peers that seems to resemble like what you employ to do. So tell me, what part of a 30+ year old grown adult to this day and age still continues to cultivate this assuming behaviour? I don't do this kind of thing, neither do anyone I know except my 8 year old niece - and now you. Saying that back to me is as typical 5 year old would do; name-calling. So let me point out your issue here since I too have a big problem with it: your maturity to decipher what's true, and what isn't.

So yeah, Pardon me too if you feel insulted. I have to be frank that what you wrote is hard to comprehend.

and look at his last reply:
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/land...ngapore-city-landscapes-=-19.html#post7648999

some "gentleman" reply to before closing his thread.

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Note: Some may have missed seeing what SomeFormOfHuman posted on eduitlos- thread since all relevant post by him, eduitlos- and myself had been deleted.
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anyway i rest my case here. Just want to show everyone how hypocritical this person is.

i swear he will be back to post again in this forum and wun made good his words of retirement LOL. Either using his old nick or some other nick.

 

[casiraghi]

Dun quite get wat is happening here, so he accused ur fren of 'stealing' angles and u defended ur fren, things settled btw him and ur fren over pms but u decide to pick an argument with him in his thread? Anw, seems to me u cant let go. He has decided to take a extended period of hiatus or retirement whatever he calls it but why do u keep harping about it? A case of trolling?

 

[Cheesecake]

Jus place the fella in ur ignore list la.

 

[Scintillation]

I've followed most of the threads in the landscapes section for a long time now, even before I've joined. It's quite sad to see talented photographers arguing over the most trivial of matters - angles in this case. I've attempted to emulate the styles of certain photographers before - Danny Santos for street photography, Thomas Leong for minimalism and WK for his land/seascapes. But I don't believe he's accusing anyone; perhaps his phrasing was a little too hostile, that's all. Anyway, if using another photographer's angle is considered copying, I would have long ago been swamped by lawsuits. I see no problem in shooting from someone else's angle, or copying their style.

The PMs have indeed shed some new light on the whole fiasco, but I hope Stephen would get over his idiosyncrasies of people not supporting his work or using other people's angles. He should be proud that his thread had been featured in Clubsnap's Facebook page before, and has been lauded with much accolades from the users of this forum. Whenever my photo gets Explored on Flickr or featured somewhere I would be really thankful. But I won't consider him an 'attention-seeker'; probably just a very sensitive person.

I think it's just disappointing that he should quit just like that.

 

[foxtwo]

sinned79, so you don't feel a tinge of regret that a fellow talented photographer has left the scene?

As far as I can tell edutilos has moved on, both were even exchanging c&c on SomeFormOFHuman's thread recently. So why do you feel the need to crash in with unrelated remarks regarding his personality? I'm sure edutilos is fully capable of standing up for himself without someone or persons adding their 2 cents worth. And I think this ending of SFoH is the worst scenario your good friend would want/wish for.

All of us are in Clubsnap because we like photography. We don't need to change peoples' personality or conform to peoples' expectations to enjoy and share what we do. We are also not psychologists and expect to "correct" peoples' hangups or perceived issues with simple statements, least of when we do not even know or understand them personally.

I hazard a guess that at some point your beef with SFoH stopped being about standing up for your friend and becoming about putting down someone else. Maybe you should reflect on that instead.

I'm not sure I'll ever feel like justifying my actions if I were a catalyst in someone's retreat from photography. I experienced it once before many years ago, not being directly the cause but it's never a good feeling to be part of something like that. I hope all persons who choose to undertake this journey return to photography at some later point in life and experience the joy again. Cheers.

 

[sinned79]

sinned79, so you don't feel a tinge of regret that a fellow talented photographer has left the scene?

As far as I can tell edutilos has moved on, both were even exchanging c&c on SomeFormOFHuman's thread recently. So why do you feel the need to crash in with unrelated remarks regarding his personality? I'm sure edutilos is fully capable of standing up for himself without someone or persons adding their 2 cents worth. And I think this ending of SFoH is the worst scenario your good friend would want/wish for.

All of us are in Clubsnap because we like photography. We don't need to change peoples' personality or conform to peoples' expectations to enjoy and share what we do. We are also not psychologists and expect to "correct" peoples' hangups or perceived issues with simple statements, least of when we do not even know or understand them personally.

I hazard a guess that at some point your beef with SFoH stopped being about standing up for your friend and becoming about putting down someone else. Maybe you should reflect on that instead.

I'm not sure I'll ever feel like justifying my actions if I were a catalyst in someone's retreat from photography. I experienced it once before many years ago, not being directly the cause but it's never a good feeling to be part of something like that. I hope all persons who choose to undertake this journey return to photography at some later point in life and experience the joy again. Cheers.

Actually I don't wish to comment further but since you feel that I am putting him down, I need to clarify. It's not my character to put someone down unless I have a reason to do so.

I dun feel a tinge of regret when SFOH "declares" his intention to retire from photography, cos the basis of retiring is cos he is not receiving enough attention. But look at the kind of attention he had already received? First he crash into edutilos- thread out of the blue and grabbed my attention. Then later he "declares" on his thread with over 20K views (his works even featured on Clubsnap Facebook page) that he is resigning. To me I don't know if he really had that intention originally or just want extra attention that he is seeking. Manja or whatever you call.

I only know of people who retires when he or she had a new hobby over this existing hobby, health reasons, financial problems or some unfaced difficulties. But this is really first time I see such people as his age "declares" retirement over such reasons of not receiving enough attentions or critics as he calls it and had to publicly announced retirement.

Not many seen the full picture until I posted what SFOH replied me in pm after he crashed edutilos- thread, if you see the way he replies, you can see how snobbish this person is and he wants credit from anyone who he thinks is attempting to copy his angles (this part is true, he did want some credit from edutilos- when he crash his thread but too bad this posts he made was deleted already by himself).

Am I right to say in another words, he is accussing edutilos- of copying angles? But he phrased it that way, he is seeking clarification. But do you want credit if you want to clarify something?

To me this is attention seeking in another form.

I have long put behind the fiasco between him and edutilos- until I saw his announcement of "retirement" on his thread, then in my mind, I goes "not again, now what attention he wants again".

I am a forth right person and seeing this kind of behviour really irks me. I could have ignored all this but when he pm me the second part of the pm above in my first post. I really had to post this thread and let it all out before closing this issue.

Not really putting someone down but simply, speaking my mind.

And btw, if I want to quit photography myself one day. I wun made a public announcement. "Want to quit quit lah, announce simi?". I simply stopped posting. Simple as that. I don't have to let the whole world to know I am quiting and what's my reason for doing so. I don't like such attentions.

"Only people who wants attention will go to other people thread and clarify are you stealing my angles? Please give me credit for doing so."

"Only people who wants attention will declares "I quit" cos no one comments/critic on my photos."

Isn't the two behavior above childish?

 

[edutilos-]

Hi,

There was a short exchange between Stefan and I on my thread, I guess it arose from a simple misunderstanding, and of course, Stefan's desire to be "original", which is really something that too many people here in CS over-emphasize, in my opinion. I've given that opinion so many times before. It doesn't matter if you're the first to find an angle. Even if you are, and someone wins a competition, you aren't going to be able to say "hey, look here, this was my angle, you stole it" - that's because most competitions aren't JUST about locations. So no cookies for that, as far as I'm concerned. I think when Stefan came in to raise this point, I responded to him quite clearly - that I did not deliberately rip off his "original angles" (for one, there are people who don't post on the Internet, like Vivian Maier, I won't go so far as to agree that a rudimentary search on the Internet suffices for an angle being original), and that there were differences in the approach as far as I was concerned.

In addition, there can't be that expectation to "give credit". I certainly don't bother to give credit for MBS angles, neither do I ask that from others. He seemed to have accepted that argument... So that was fine, we agreed to remove all (potential - I don't think it was a very heated exchange) inflammatory statements and move forward. I have no quarrels with him, never did. After a few years here you'd realise that sometimes people just want to be heard out.

About him leaving, well, that's really his choice. We all have different priorities in life, and I had expressed my concern about his set of priorities earlier in his thread, based on certain self-declared statements there:

The first point is that these are not snapshots or crap. They may not be all awe-inspiring, but they are not thought out haphazardly, and the arrangement of elements is pleasant. I'm not sure if you really think if they are "crap", but my own interpretation of such things is that if you post something online, usually you won't think too lowly of it - at least it will be ok for public scrutiny. This is the main reason why many people on CS get upset when negative comments are posted on their work. If you *do* think that they're crap, then I am puzzled as to why they are posted. If you don't, then there is no such need for pretense of self-derogation, the works stand as they are.

The second point is that just because a lot of people have the same perspective of a subject (or subjects) does not subtract from the value of one's work. To give an example, a lot of British photographers have captured Durdle Door in Dorset (I would like to think that you have seen photos of the location before); but it never seems to get tired as long as the subject is captured well, and the light is great. Similarly, the Merlion in Singapore, MBS, Shenton Way, etc... All these are landmarks which many have ventured to photograph. It still remains that what one tries to convey through his/her photographs is unique.

It is never good to see anyone go, I guess. But well, photography is a hobby for many here - as I've said, if the hobby causes more stress than happiness, then it may not be the best hobby for someone. So I guess, if he has made his choice, and made those statements, what's done is done. One can speak his view, but need not try more than once; after all, if one would listen to well-meaning advice, once is enough. Cheers.