Hasselblad User Group

[neoro]

but then hor the HC lenses cannot be used on old bodies ...say 503CW rite?

That is the limitation of the old Zeiss .
I have since moved to the H3DII and the HC lenses.
Hasselblad HC and HCD are better and more versatile lenses .
The HC 120 macro for instance goes from infinity to 1:1 without tubes .
Makes a good portrait lens as well since it is still sharp even at full aperture .
With autofocus and f45 for bonus .

So many key world sooo many of them...
Are there any loss of light between 1:5 to 1:1 magnification? When the elements move further to the frot ?

 

[Axeleaf]

but then hor the HC lenses cannot be used on old bodies ...say 503CW rite?

Yes , it cannot . But the H system cameras can take on the old C F lenses with an adapter ( cocking lever and all ).

BTW Heard that Denis is holding HUG and PRUG together on Saturday 31st October 1-6pm at Shrirohouse . Together with a Warehouse Sale for Hasselblad ,Profoto, Tamrac , Gitzo !

 

[zlimmer]

So many key world sooo many of them...
Are there any loss of light between 1:5 to 1:1 magnification? When the elements move further to the frot ?

Naturally there will be some loss of light , but looks minor and not noticed in Auto modes .

 

[plsoong]

Yes , it cannot . But the H system cameras can take on the old C F lenses with an adapter ( cocking lever and all ).

BTW Heard that Denis is holding HUG and PRUG together on Saturday 31st October 1-6pm at Shrirohouse . Together with a Warehouse Sale for Hasselblad ,Profoto, Tamrac , Gitzo !

winz oredi loh...purposely when i not back then got these kinda shiok events rite!;(

lol

basket.....i thot for once i can buy profoto/Hassy on a better pricing...... now.......dream again ....

haiz

 

[pphyll]

31st oct ? heheheh... so many event for the two days.. back to back

 

[Axeleaf]

Eh , what other events ?

 

[apophoto]

Any forum member knows how much the Blad H3DII 22mp was selling during it's promotion time sometime back? I am giving some consideration on this specific entry-level digital model to medium format.
Any input as to whether it gives a distinct advantage on the image output compared with the Nikon D700 when enlargement prints are confined to 30"x40" size are appreciated.

 

[zlimmer]

Any forum member knows how much the Blad H3DII 22mp was selling during it's promotion time sometime back? I am giving some consideration on this specific entry-level digital model to medium format.
Any input as to whether it gives a distinct advantage on the image output compared with the Nikon D700 when enlargement prints are confined to 30"x40" size are appreciated.

It was always a lot initially . At the end of line was probably $ 36k about 3 years ago . Buy la the H3DII 31 at only $ 23,800 before tax - best buy now .
There is absolutely no comparison . Big chip counts . Is the 12mp handphone quality same as DSLR 12mp ? Even 35mm cameras having more pixels cannot compare with old 22 million pixel MF camera . MF images today are better than drum scanned 4x5 film .

Anyway , check out this picture taken during one of our HUG by friend with H3D 22 . Normal and 100% crop .

 

[apophoto]

zlimmer, thanks for your views. Main reasons why I may not be interested on the 31 and 39mp models (price factor aside) are -
1. I do not shoot digital for commercial gains
2. being just a passionate photographer, just like many of us in this forum, I was thinking of reaching the next ascending step in my images output from DSLR
3. the 22mp may do nicely as a basic start-up with their smaller files and easier to do pp
4. my enlarged prints are not likely to exceed 30"x40"
The promotional cost may favour the H3DII 31 at this time as you suggest but I'm not so sure I have any real need for the extra mp if the differences are subtle and not distinguishinly worlds apart from it's lower entry-level model.
I would certainly welcome and appreciate more views from fellow members.

 

[tSkye]

actually, for normal aka non commercial photographic uses, 21mp is way more than enough. beyond there, it just becomes slow with too much processing to do. the benefits of having a medium format is in the 16-bit sensor. the tonality and gradient is significantly different. between h3d and h3dii, i'd say the better heat sink, along with new filters, generates less noise in the image.

oh, and do check out shriro next saturday during their sale.
maybe there will be demos of the cameras.

 

[Axeleaf]

Firstly , there is no more 22 mp selling brand new ( for that kind of money it better be new !)
Secondly , they were mostly H3D , not too many were H3DII .
Thirdly , the 22 is a Dalsa sensor, which was not good for low lighting and was more noisy.
Whereas the newer H3DII 31 which is a Kodak sensor is cooler , cleaner and has asa 800 .
Fourth , it not so much about the pixels .
For Hasselblad lenses , it kind of max out at 50 million pixel thats why the new H4D 60s has got to have a bigger chip .
Lesser Brand lenses cannot resolve even before 33 million pixel .
For the 35mm camera , actually the max for the chip size is 12 million pixel .
So no real gain after that because the lenses cannot resolve more .
Camera makers than resort to built-in sharpening to overcome this .
Finally , for the offer price ( because the H4D upgrade is coming ) , go for the newer , faster focus , less noise H3DII 31 .

 

[tomohitogo]

I agree with Axeleaf on those points about the H3D.

One point to note is that for those who are on a DSLR moving up to the H system - it doesn't behave like a DSLR.
I've lent my H3D-22 to friends who come back and say "I can't shoot in low light. It's heavy. It's slow."
I would tell all those moving up from a DSLR - it's a totally different way of working. There is no vibration damping hardware built-into the lenses. Photography really goes back to the basics.
Shoot hand held - you need to be really steady. Shoot in low light - you need to go up to the really noisy ISO400 and shoot around 1/30, 1/15. Then - lenses are heavy too.

Don't be frightened off by all these seeming disadvantages though.
In the old days of photography - this is what we were all doing. Shooting ISO 400 film in low light but push process. Same here for the H3D22 - except you get a 5-stop latitude to under expose. Look at a shot that seems to have black shadow details - pull the curves and the shadows emerge with detail you didn't realise was there. It's incredible.
The dynamic range is so good that you don't need Photoshop. Process in Flexcolor or Phocus, pull your curves, histogram, sharpening. I only use Photoshop for dust spotting and cropping and creating stuff that was not in the shot.
Want to do HDR? You don't need it - the files that you get from the H3D-22 are already almost there.

My H3D-22 is almost 3 years old and I am in a bad need to upgrade to the H3DII but I'm still enjoying using it like a normal DSLR. (actually truth is that I don't own a DSLR.) Seriously - when you've moved to a H3DII-XX - you'd be wondering how on earth you could have missed all the details in the shots all along...

 

[conherent]

I agree with what Axeleaf said and would like to share a bit more.

Imaging is also like motor sports you simply just cannot fit the extra "horse power" into a mini. Increase in physical imaging surface have to increase with proportion to the intended megapixels.
Sampling beyond the Nyquist Frequency have relatively negative impact on the sampled/taken picture, Thus may require the camera maker to implement both physical and DSP based anti-aliasing algorithm to scrub off whatever that is undesirable.

 

[zlimmer]

Took a peek at Denis ' offer list for Sale this Saturday :-

Demo CFII 39 digiback for 500 series - $22k
Demo H3DII 39 with HC 80mm - $ 28k
Demo V96c 16mil digiback - $ 5k
Demo HTS 1.5 - 5k
Demo Convertor 1.7x - $2060
Demo Ext tube 52 - $ 550
New H2F body only - $ 4200

 

[kiari04]

Took a peek at Denis ' offer list for Sale this Saturday :-

Demo CFII 39 digiback for 500 series - $22k
Demo H3DII 39 with HC 80mm - $ 28k
Demo V96c 16mil digiback - $ 5k
Demo HTS 1.5 - 5k
Demo Convertor 1.7x - $2060
Demo Ext tube 52 - $ 550
New H2F body only - $ 4200

The extension tube can be used for 500ELM? so ex? :bigeyes: hmmm ....

 

[neoro]

The extension tube can be used for 500ELM? so ex? :bigeyes: hmmm ....

Pricing seems to be for the h series tube

 

[Axeleaf]

The extension tube can be used for 500ELM? so ex? :bigeyes: hmmm ....

The Ext Tube 52 mm is for H .
For the old V series cameras it is 56mm and brand new indent price is $ 500 .
Anything quite less would be a used unit .

 

[kiari04]

The Ext Tube 52 mm is for H .
For the old V series cameras it is 56mm and brand new indent price is $ 500 .
Anything quite less would be a used unit .

ohh okie. thx for the info.

But still it's ex... no dough ... any idea if got anything below S$100? say, focusing split screen? lens hood? :embrass:

 

[neoro]

ohh okie. thx for the info.

But still it's ex... no dough ... any idea if got anything below S$100? say, focusing split screen? lens hood? :embrass:

you need to be careful when using the extension tubes, as they extends the shaft which triggers the shutter in the lens. Items costing below 100, are in very used conditions are may not work so well. Actually the risk of the infamous hassy jam, is pretty high either by accidental trigger or lock when you start removing the lens.

 

[neoro]

Any idea, on where to find further information on the Warehouse Sale happening this Saturday? Time and stuff?