GreenLight :: Kseniya ::
- Thread starter Kongo
- Start date
- Status
Hahaa.. thanks a lot leejay, if the charges for making those photo-stories album from shops are cheaper I might be tempted to try.. :bsmilie:
Thanks bro! 
Sharpness and the bokeh is the trademark of the lens indeed..
Sharpness and the bokeh is the trademark of the lens indeed..
Thanks for the encouragement jemapela.. 
Yes, will probably try to do more solo or small group private shoot more often..
Being a hobbyist and married man with small kids there are some limitation in resources such as time, $$$ and passion (allowable) tho.. :bsmilie:
When I dont hv much time I'll just settle for fast food and set lunch when the photog bug bites me..:embrass:
Yes, will probably try to do more solo or small group private shoot more often..
Being a hobbyist and married man with small kids there are some limitation in resources such as time, $$$ and passion (allowable) tho.. :bsmilie:
When I dont hv much time I'll just settle for fast food and set lunch when the photog bug bites me..:embrass:
xunjas
Senior Member
quite expensive to make album ie. 20 page 8R cost 200-230..
Wow, that's a lot of money. :bigeyes:
xunjas
Senior Member
if the customers pay for it, i wont mind to test. haha..
xunjas
Senior Member
:bsmilie::bsmilie::bsmilie::bsmilie: maybe print @ JB cheaper 200 RM?
RazrStudio
Senior Member
superd chick, nice take too!
Jemapela
New Member
Thanks for the encouragement jemapela..
Yes, will probably try to do more solo or small group private shoot more often..
Being a hobbyist and married man with small kids there are some limitation in resources such as time, $$$ and passion (allowable) tho.. :bsmilie:
When I dont hv much time I'll just settle for fast food and set lunch when the photog bug bites me..:embrass:
Here's something to ponder about: Photographers in Australia (and maybe in other western countries but I'm not sure) tend to work alone to shoot unique images that only they themselves have, not 12-15 other photographers also have. Unique is the word.
I see the merits of solo shoots but planning, styling and directing one is tough as hell. If successful, the results are very satisfying. I'm sure there are some CS members who know what I mean because they do it.
By the way, what camera/lens are you using for this series?
Yes, know what u mean, very tough indeed.. but satisfying, self-satisfying at least, hehee...
I m using 5D & 85L for this shoot. just upgraded the body.. understand from your posting that it's damn hard to clean the sensor thou.. :sweat:
I m using 5D & 85L for this shoot. just upgraded the body.. understand from your posting that it's damn hard to clean the sensor thou.. :sweat:
Jemapela
New Member
Ohh... what body were you previously using?
Ohh wow... 85 f/1.2L lens... how much did you pay for it?
Yes, the EOS 5D is vulnerable to dust contamination under the focus screen and SI screen, and dust adheres to the imaging filter surface stronger than with other models. I can't tell you why (partly due to confidential information) but my best word of advice, don't use any 3rd party methods of cleaning that requires you to touch the filter surface. That filter is very expensive to replace, and it's probably not dust-free after replacement.
Thanks a lot for your comments!
Her eyes are stunning!
Stamp courtesy of peanutbeer.
Bot the lens 2nd hand more than a yr ago, it's a mk1 @ abt 2.2k. Body previously using the 350D..
http://forum.clubsnap.com/showthread.php?t=297769&page=2
Wif regards to the 5D sensor cleaning, tink I better just play safe & stick to blower then.. :sweat:
http://forum.clubsnap.com/showthread.php?t=297769&page=2
Wif regards to the 5D sensor cleaning, tink I better just play safe & stick to blower then.. :sweat:
Jemapela
New Member
Hi Kongo,
I had a hidden reason for asking you about what camera/lens you were using, especially after seeing your technically good and beautiful images, and your relunctance about compiling them into a photo book.
Now, I'll tell you why. You, or others may disagree with me, but that's fine. I hope you don't see me as picking on you.
The biggest mistake with many CS members is that they chase after the biggest and latest gear (1D Mk III or f/1.0 lens) when instead they should be chasing after a better image. Unlike spontaneous event shoots, when you are shooting a posed subject that allows you to style and direct such as portraits, more resources and effort should be put into making a better image.
Don't get me wrong. It appears that you can shoot technically good images with the right exposures and composition. Your portraits of Kanny and Kseniya are beautiful (apart from the fact that both girls are pretty.) However, if you display Kanny's and Kseniya's images side by side, nobody can visually tell which camera was used. 350D, 20D or 5D, nobody really knows (maybe because they are all DIGIC II image processors). The output images from these cameras are so similar, you just can't tell which camera. To be absolutely critical, the 5D should produce slightly softer images because of its larger pixel size than 20D and 350D, but really, can you see it? Similarly, if you had used the 85mm f/1.8 lens and shot it wide open or nearly wide open, I'm confident that nobody would be able to tell the difference with your f/1.2L lens because, as best as I know, both lenses have very circular apertures hence their bokehs are similar.
In another thread regarding the 85mm f/1.8 lens, I mentioned that I measured its resolving power, and it measures to the highest reading that the resolution chart can measure, just like with other L series prime lenses. I doubt the f/1.2L lens is sharper. Even if it is, the human eye is unlikely to detect the difference. Personally, I have used the f/1.2L lens before and I own the f/1.8 version but I could be visually handicapped. Most people forget, or are unaware, that very large aperture lenses evitably suffer from undesirable optical phenomena such as internal flaring which could soften or wash-out images, and more effort is required to minimise/eliminate such flaws. Hence, the super fast L series prime lens may not be necessarily sharper than its smaller f/1.8 brother.
No doubt, a group shoot is a more affordable way of shooting portraits of models but it offers less control over styling and direction. Individual attention to each photographer is also reduced or compromised. Yes, I know that not everyone is able to afford the cost of hiring a model alone but the advantage of being able to hone your styling and directing skills is worth serious consideration. At group shoots, the organiser does this thus the participant photographer learns little or nothing. Sometimes, the organiser himself isn't good at doing it because he is just profit motivated, not creativity motivated. I have absolutely nothing against the model organiser but if I observed correctly, he has planned several shoots mostly/always in clubbing and casual themes. The recipe is always the same. His models are Caucasians who are, generally or presumably, more open-minded. Why not shoot another theme/genre?
On that note, the flavour of these photos has also remained the same - pretty girl smiling in the park (or somewhere nice) wearing fashion (or casual) with nice bokeh and wind machine. Take away that f/1.2L lens and wind machine. Would your image magic disappear? Kongo, I say again, your images look good, but you can take a step forward and further.
My point in this lengthy explanation is: if some of us could realise that the high expense of top-end equipment is actually unnecessary and provides little improvement in the image quality, then financial resources could be diverted into what is truely more important - beautifying the resulting image.
Spend more money on styling or accessorising on a good model. Spend more money on reaching a beautiful location. When the images look as good as say, your shots of beautiful Kseniya in this series, then spend money on compiling these images into a high quality photo book that you could proudly show off. Come on, it's only $200-$300 compared to the thousands you spent on equipment. Carry this book around to show. Flipping pages of a book is a lot easier and faster to show in public. Remember, it's all about the image... make it look better, and present it better.
Kongo, with a photo book of nice images shown around, your name/brand could go further than the just the ClubSnap audience.
Just 2-cents worth of encouragement from a so-so photographer.
I had a hidden reason for asking you about what camera/lens you were using, especially after seeing your technically good and beautiful images, and your relunctance about compiling them into a photo book.
Now, I'll tell you why. You, or others may disagree with me, but that's fine. I hope you don't see me as picking on you.
The biggest mistake with many CS members is that they chase after the biggest and latest gear (1D Mk III or f/1.0 lens) when instead they should be chasing after a better image. Unlike spontaneous event shoots, when you are shooting a posed subject that allows you to style and direct such as portraits, more resources and effort should be put into making a better image.
Don't get me wrong. It appears that you can shoot technically good images with the right exposures and composition. Your portraits of Kanny and Kseniya are beautiful (apart from the fact that both girls are pretty.) However, if you display Kanny's and Kseniya's images side by side, nobody can visually tell which camera was used. 350D, 20D or 5D, nobody really knows (maybe because they are all DIGIC II image processors). The output images from these cameras are so similar, you just can't tell which camera. To be absolutely critical, the 5D should produce slightly softer images because of its larger pixel size than 20D and 350D, but really, can you see it? Similarly, if you had used the 85mm f/1.8 lens and shot it wide open or nearly wide open, I'm confident that nobody would be able to tell the difference with your f/1.2L lens because, as best as I know, both lenses have very circular apertures hence their bokehs are similar.
In another thread regarding the 85mm f/1.8 lens, I mentioned that I measured its resolving power, and it measures to the highest reading that the resolution chart can measure, just like with other L series prime lenses. I doubt the f/1.2L lens is sharper. Even if it is, the human eye is unlikely to detect the difference. Personally, I have used the f/1.2L lens before and I own the f/1.8 version but I could be visually handicapped. Most people forget, or are unaware, that very large aperture lenses evitably suffer from undesirable optical phenomena such as internal flaring which could soften or wash-out images, and more effort is required to minimise/eliminate such flaws. Hence, the super fast L series prime lens may not be necessarily sharper than its smaller f/1.8 brother.
No doubt, a group shoot is a more affordable way of shooting portraits of models but it offers less control over styling and direction. Individual attention to each photographer is also reduced or compromised. Yes, I know that not everyone is able to afford the cost of hiring a model alone but the advantage of being able to hone your styling and directing skills is worth serious consideration. At group shoots, the organiser does this thus the participant photographer learns little or nothing. Sometimes, the organiser himself isn't good at doing it because he is just profit motivated, not creativity motivated. I have absolutely nothing against the model organiser but if I observed correctly, he has planned several shoots mostly/always in clubbing and casual themes. The recipe is always the same. His models are Caucasians who are, generally or presumably, more open-minded. Why not shoot another theme/genre?
On that note, the flavour of these photos has also remained the same - pretty girl smiling in the park (or somewhere nice) wearing fashion (or casual) with nice bokeh and wind machine. Take away that f/1.2L lens and wind machine. Would your image magic disappear? Kongo, I say again, your images look good, but you can take a step forward and further.
My point in this lengthy explanation is: if some of us could realise that the high expense of top-end equipment is actually unnecessary and provides little improvement in the image quality, then financial resources could be diverted into what is truely more important - beautifying the resulting image.
Spend more money on styling or accessorising on a good model. Spend more money on reaching a beautiful location. When the images look as good as say, your shots of beautiful Kseniya in this series, then spend money on compiling these images into a high quality photo book that you could proudly show off. Come on, it's only $200-$300 compared to the thousands you spent on equipment. Carry this book around to show. Flipping pages of a book is a lot easier and faster to show in public. Remember, it's all about the image... make it look better, and present it better.
Kongo, with a photo book of nice images shown around, your name/brand could go further than the just the ClubSnap audience.
Just 2-cents worth of encouragement from a so-so photographer.
- Status
Similar threads
