Good wedding videos
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Not sure whether this works for you.
http://still-motion.ca/
Check under cinematography. I reckoned this guys are 'THE SPECIAL ONE' in wedding video at the moment. Of course Big $ too
Don't have to fly them here for the shoot, but you can certainly watch, learn and apply some of their slick or sick MOVES...... lots of steady cam shot btw.
Then again, their weddings are usually blessed with nice cathedrals, gardens, outdoor locations and most importantly, good looking people. So compliment it with some nice camerawork and editing, everything will look pretty cool.
Hope that helps.
Anyway, I'm not in wedding business etc...
http://still-motion.ca/
Check under cinematography. I reckoned this guys are 'THE SPECIAL ONE' in wedding video at the moment. Of course Big $ too
Don't have to fly them here for the shoot, but you can certainly watch, learn and apply some of their slick or sick MOVES...... lots of steady cam shot btw.
Then again, their weddings are usually blessed with nice cathedrals, gardens, outdoor locations and most importantly, good looking people. So compliment it with some nice camerawork and editing, everything will look pretty cool.
Hope that helps.
Anyway, I'm not in wedding business etc
...
alternus
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Agree that the Still-Motion guys are the in-thing now. Fast-paced editing with camera stabilizers and with 35mm adapters too.
Was with them for their workshop earlier in Jan. Patrick and his kakhis are a bunch of ultra passionate guys who are always trying new methods (imagine using up to 5 cams for a church ceremony! and up to 15 hrs of footage per wedding!)
Anyway, in the initial yrs, they took inspirations from Jason Magbanua (from Phillipines). You may want to google him out. Jason and the Still-motion guys use almost the same equipment. Jason uses slow-mo fairly often. Still-motion hardly use slow-mo now. Both use tons of color-grading.
If you prefer the traditional, romantic type of video, you may try Mark and Trisha from www.vonweddingfilms.com. Was with them for a workshop a few yrs back. But some videographers will consider the slow, romantic style as outdated already.
You may also try www.bluskiescinema.com.
I always feel that it is not difficult to produce a fantastic MTV highlights clip to satisfy and impress the banquet crowd. But if you are going to shoot to produce a short film (substantially long with details and conversations and good audio) for the couple to keep for the next few decades, that's a challenge. Will definitely need 2 or more videographers (sadly, most Singaporeans see less value in video than photos, hence will not pay for it).
Was with them for their workshop earlier in Jan. Patrick and his kakhis are a bunch of ultra passionate guys who are always trying new methods (imagine using up to 5 cams for a church ceremony! and up to 15 hrs of footage per wedding!)
Anyway, in the initial yrs, they took inspirations from Jason Magbanua (from Phillipines). You may want to google him out. Jason and the Still-motion guys use almost the same equipment. Jason uses slow-mo fairly often. Still-motion hardly use slow-mo now. Both use tons of color-grading.
If you prefer the traditional, romantic type of video, you may try Mark and Trisha from www.vonweddingfilms.com. Was with them for a workshop a few yrs back. But some videographers will consider the slow, romantic style as outdated already.
You may also try www.bluskiescinema.com.
I always feel that it is not difficult to produce a fantastic MTV highlights clip to satisfy and impress the banquet crowd. But if you are going to shoot to produce a short film (substantially long with details and conversations and good audio) for the couple to keep for the next few decades, that's a challenge. Will definitely need 2 or more videographers (sadly, most Singaporeans see less value in video than photos, hence will not pay for it).
Hi alternus,
hope you enjoyed and learn heaps at the workshop. I'm sure it's a good experience!
Anyway, the way I see the wedding video market in Singapore... there are far too many similar work. You can't really differentiate one from the other.
With or without steady cam, 35mm adapter, High Definition format, what you get is the same boring HDB shot, same groom arrival shot, same sisters playing same tricks on brothers shot and blah blah blah.... and of course edited with the same old music. IT'S BECOMING LIKE A TEMPLATE!
I ask my wedding videographers friend why? They explain... it's the budget loh .........
Unrealistic wedding couple will always want something very special, very different, very cinematic for their BIG DAY and videographers :sweat: who want their business also will always promised the sky with ideas like how the wedding will be shot like Wong Kar Wai film.:bigeyes:
haha.... sorry for the rant, cause I'm in the midst of helping my sister-in-law to look for a SUPER DUPER ala Stillmotion type videographer for her SUPER BIG DAY with her Super unrealistic budget.
hope you enjoyed and learn heaps at the workshop. I'm sure it's a good experience!
Anyway, the way I see the wedding video market in Singapore... there are far too many similar work. You can't really differentiate one from the other.
With or without steady cam, 35mm adapter, High Definition format, what you get is the same boring HDB shot, same groom arrival shot, same sisters playing same tricks on brothers shot and blah blah blah.... and of course edited with the same old music. IT'S BECOMING LIKE A TEMPLATE!
I ask my wedding videographers friend why? They explain... it's the budget loh .........
Unrealistic wedding couple will always want something very special, very different, very cinematic for their BIG DAY and videographers :sweat: who want their business also will always promised the sky with ideas like how the wedding will be shot like Wong Kar Wai film.:bigeyes:
haha.... sorry for the rant, cause I'm in the midst of helping my sister-in-law to look for a SUPER DUPER ala Stillmotion type videographer for her SUPER BIG DAY with her Super unrealistic budget.
engr
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I have to agree with Alternus, spot on! It is really tough to replicate wat still-mo can do with our type of weddings. Shooting in tight HDB spaces at 6am is not easy. Unless u wanna carry a nice light with u. Notice how nice the lighting is in those western countries? They start at nice timings in nice spacious places. Jason M has nice churches and touching ceremonies, we have factory styled solenizations ha ha. I guess church weddings r our best bet.
Tiny budgets dun help in getting 2nd VG and nice equipment. Fortunately the wed photography biz seems to be getting on. I really hope videos will get there in 3 years time.
sibeblur, ask yr sis in law to visit Substance film.. something alternative I heard. Ha ha but the price is going to burst the roof ;p
Tiny budgets dun help in getting 2nd VG and nice equipment. Fortunately the wed photography biz seems to be getting on. I really hope videos will get there in 3 years time.
sibeblur, ask yr sis in law to visit Substance film.. something alternative I heard. Ha ha but the price is going to burst the roof ;p
vinsanity11
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Take a look at this local wedding video: http://www.vimeo.com/3221708
I do agree that Singapore weddings are routine and mundane, however its up to the videographer to think of creative ideas to produce a good work, and not just shoot, extract and burn into DVDs. That's why wedding couple are paying a good amount for their videography coverage. There are tons of ideas and concepts, so theres no need to copy those overseas style of shooting and invest on unnecessary equipments. Anyone can hold a pencil but not everyone can draw well.
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alternus
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Anyway, Foryasake, since you are interested in really good wedding videos, you have to look at overseas videographers because overseas couples view video as more important than photos. And can afford to pay $8K or more (in their currency) for their AD video. And their delivery timeline is typically 6 mths or more. This allows the videographers to capture tons of footage produce really good works in post. Just do a quick google for "eventDV top 25" and you can open your eyes from there.
IMHO, a wedding film has to be true to what took place. Meaning, try not to disturb the process. I personally regard posed-actions as cheesy. AD wedding videographers are engaged to document the day and present it in the most beautiful/interesting way he can, not to direct the "actors" and "actresses" to play out certain scenes that the videorgrapher had thought of. I've seen local works (at bridal fairs) where the videographers asks the Jie-meis to look "devilish" at the bittergourd, etc.... I almost flipped over. I've also seen an enacted shot of the bride's door opening slowly to simulate the groom's perspective as he enters her room after gatecrashing... it was so un-natural! A good videographer do not need such scenes to tell the story or bring out the mood of the day. You don't even need words or titling to explain your story. If a videographer does need words to move the story, he has failed.
To improve the pricing for wedding videography in SG, the local videographers need to work more closely together to push up the quality of their production. We have to deliver the high quality before we can convince consumers the higher price that we command over photographers. If not, local wedding videography will never take off. It will always remain in the sub $2K category. It is a Chicken-and-egg thing.
Foryasake, if you are thinking of going into wedding videography, or you are already in, please help to push up the standards. If your work is outstanding, business will come fast. And if it has not dawn on local videographers yet, SG videographer's main competitors are not other videographers. Its more often the photographers. We all fight for the same budget. When we deliver higher perceived-value than photography, $10k per wedding will not be unheard of.
I believe Engr has the same vision. Right eh?
IMHO, a wedding film has to be true to what took place. Meaning, try not to disturb the process. I personally regard posed-actions as cheesy. AD wedding videographers are engaged to document the day and present it in the most beautiful/interesting way he can, not to direct the "actors" and "actresses" to play out certain scenes that the videorgrapher had thought of. I've seen local works (at bridal fairs) where the videographers asks the Jie-meis to look "devilish" at the bittergourd, etc.... I almost flipped over. I've also seen an enacted shot of the bride's door opening slowly to simulate the groom's perspective as he enters her room after gatecrashing... it was so un-natural! A good videographer do not need such scenes to tell the story or bring out the mood of the day. You don't even need words or titling to explain your story. If a videographer does need words to move the story, he has failed.
To improve the pricing for wedding videography in SG, the local videographers need to work more closely together to push up the quality of their production. We have to deliver the high quality before we can convince consumers the higher price that we command over photographers. If not, local wedding videography will never take off. It will always remain in the sub $2K category. It is a Chicken-and-egg thing.
Foryasake, if you are thinking of going into wedding videography, or you are already in, please help to push up the standards. If your work is outstanding, business will come fast. And if it has not dawn on local videographers yet, SG videographer's main competitors are not other videographers. Its more often the photographers. We all fight for the same budget. When we deliver higher perceived-value than photography, $10k per wedding will not be unheard of.
I believe Engr has the same vision. Right eh?
haha! can't agree more...but I've seen a significant increase in the number of couples who seem to feel that video is more important! That's something my company is seemingly happy about. :bsmilie:
lolx! sibeiblur, all the best to you..hope your sister-in-law will increase her budget if not, I wanna wish her all the best too. keke... :bsmilie::sweat:
bro, can't agree more with you too man! one advantage for overseas shoot is the lighting. heard their tai yang rises much earlier than ours that's why they can enjoy such good lighting. keke...and SG is almost boring to the max cuz of the HDB settings most of the couples are staying in in contrast to private houses abroad.
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I like this one! :bsmilie:
no offense but the wedding video you suggested to watch reminded me of SAF commercials, The Lord of the Ring trailers and The Blair Witch Project (light version). the speed of the editing is not paced to the music at some points. Can see the creativity there but used for the wrong event. Maybe a concert trailer or movie trailer that depicts war or crisis of some sort would be good.
but watching something out of the common wedding videos once-in-a-while, no matter how good or bad it can be, it's pretty fun. :sweat:
i would reckoned there are various wedding video styles and form. Some like it romantic, some like it documentary, some like it MTVish, some like it stylized and some just like it dramatic or chic and cheesy. At the end of the day, the client is paying the money!
I reckoned all the above style, be it romantic or fun can look good in the hands of good videographer. Sometime if you see crap in any of the above style is due to the videographer's taste and appreciation level.
Frankly I see many videographer are just good shooter but can't really edit, and post production is especially important for wedding videos. Then again, for $1500 budget, one man band, shoot and edit, you can't really expect him to be superman.
anyway, found a videographer for my sis-in-law. I wish the videographer well....
I reckoned all the above style, be it romantic or fun can look good in the hands of good videographer. Sometime if you see crap in any of the above style is due to the videographer's taste and appreciation level.
Frankly I see many videographer are just good shooter but can't really edit, and post production is especially important for wedding videos. Then again, for $1500 budget, one man band, shoot and edit, you can't really expect him to be superman.
anyway, found a videographer for my sis-in-law. I wish the videographer well....
icychilled
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Good thread...i was drawn into the whole wedding videography thing after first viewing Jason Magbanua's videos... now simply can't stop...
alternus
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We're thinking of conducting a wedding videography workshop in the later part of the year, focusing mainly on video camera handling techniques. If it comes true, its gonna be a 2-3 day workshop where we'll show what/how we capture shots for each segment of a wedding day.
This will be the 1st ever in SG.
This is not a NLE course, coz there are already tons of courses on FCP, Premiere Pro, etc. This will primarily be a hands-on-camera workshop. We'll discuss and show full manual control, use of stabilizers, things to look out for, multicam church setup, bridal gown shots, ring shots, cake shots, etc.
We hope to share what we do to help local videographers produce better works, and thus command a higher price.
you may view some of our works at http://www.alvinadelineweddings.com
For those interested, pls PM me. We can work out the syllabus after we understand what you need. However, we'll scrap this idea if there is insufficient interested parties.
Pre-requisites include 1) having shot at least 3 weddings, 2) own at least a prosumer camcorder with manual controls for zoom, focus and iris, 3) already proficient in editing on an NLE program such as FCP, Premiere, Vegas, Edius, Avid, etc
I'll post this under the "Courses" forum too.
Alvin
This will be the 1st ever in SG.
This is not a NLE course, coz there are already tons of courses on FCP, Premiere Pro, etc. This will primarily be a hands-on-camera workshop. We'll discuss and show full manual control, use of stabilizers, things to look out for, multicam church setup, bridal gown shots, ring shots, cake shots, etc.
We hope to share what we do to help local videographers produce better works, and thus command a higher price.
you may view some of our works at http://www.alvinadelineweddings.com
For those interested, pls PM me. We can work out the syllabus after we understand what you need. However, we'll scrap this idea if there is insufficient interested parties.
Pre-requisites include 1) having shot at least 3 weddings, 2) own at least a prosumer camcorder with manual controls for zoom, focus and iris, 3) already proficient in editing on an NLE program such as FCP, Premiere, Vegas, Edius, Avid, etc
I'll post this under the "Courses" forum too.
Alvin
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purplemonkey369
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Hmmmm... Personally, I kinda disagree with these points.
Well, in the sense that, let's compare it to a simple analogy of photography.
In documenting an event such as a wedding, the photographer traditionally has to document the event and take both non-posed shots and the prerequisite posed ones, right?
So, why can't, whenever possible and time and process is not really a constraint, the ones captured in the video 'pose' and act out a very short scene? I am sure many people would not mind hamming it up for the videocamera, on such a special day and event, when they are all dressed up to the nines. Right?
Thus, I believe personally, that some scenes need to be simulated (but not overdone) to make the whole production more seamless, and not jerky (pace wise). I don't believe that all Singaporean-made videos can make use of the excuse of venue not nice lah, what lah and produce a sub par video template that everyone in the future will accept as the norm. That'll be a creative nightmare!!
I believe, like most things in life, it is largely situational. You have to adapt and think on your feet but make sure that a certain standard is maintained.
So, to me - a good production is definitely something like almost a movie, where there are build ups to scenes, accompanied by appropriate music (not run of the mill Top 40s), and definitely NOT every chance you get, you pan here and there and everywhere.
If you notice in movie credits, there will be someone in charge of photography, because photography is imperative in video, elements of professional photography has to incorporated in any good video production. What more, in a video for something as important as a wedding, which documents a once in a lifetime event (hopefully ;p) about beautiful memories for a couple and their loved ones.
The first time I saw Stillmotion's Johanna + David's wedding video - I was so moved. Everything was perfect. It was practically cinema quality, and everything was fused together oh so seamlessly. I guess it's the mindset of Caucasians that they won't act awkward in front of the cameras, they are naturally photogenic, helps that their architecture is so inspirationally beautiful, and when captured with professional equipment and edited with creativity, it becomes a work of art.
And that's what I hope videographers aim to produce - works of art.
ps After all that I have said with regards to your points, I still find your works at http://www.alvinadelineweddings.com to be the standard local upcoming videographers should at least achieve. They are indeed very nice.
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count me in bro, i've been so persisting on using ENG cam with full manual control last time, but due to the budget constrain,I've switched to handy hdv like z7...hard to stablize
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