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[Toto38]

XD if not paid, then if i was the model, I'd be giving that face too.. hahaha..

In that case.. better tell everyone what course it is, I'm sure no one will want to go anymore since they can't even provide a decent model who is willing to smile..

Ha! Ha! I quite agree with you that DF pics. really not so good! I support you! But he really new in studio and with a normal girl only! Still need to be improved.
Seen your pics. too! If want to C&C, really got alots to do so!
From above words you said, maybe you can try and shoot for my mother and i'll pay you twice if you can make her look nice and happy with your works!How??? Try your mother first if she like it, than you are consider OK! And pose it here again for C&C look what people talk about your works! I don't think you want to hear the real words.
Back to the topic you mention, If you learn to shoot from a pro-model, you will learn slower! Because your friends and clients is not a PRO-MODEL.!
So, i will said that let him learn from the RAW-MODEL first correct? If he can handle this than don't need to talk about real model liao! Even some Pro-model pose for us also don't really work too and we still need to do some adjustment lay;p
Hope that my words here can correct your thinking:think: Because we are train to let the model pay the photographers ( my son want to buy....I need to pay....)

 

[DarkForce]

Quick Comment:

I shot a couple of photos where there was a red light in the picture and really pushed the reds on my sensors and made a couple of the photos unuseable. If I am not mistaken, you are using one of the lights as either a hairlight or maybe it is just a background light that is boucing off the pink/red background. The hair on your model has this red glow which I find very ugly and distasteful. With your red background, it simply makes its worst.

The problem i think if your model is too close to the background. Also, you can try using a white background. Anyway since you are just a newbie, i think you should stick with white and black until you know what you are doing. Another tip I can give you is that if you are shooting studio, try to take a few test shots and upload to a computer to check for the color and any other problems. This is like how Medium Format shooters will take a polaroid and scruntise it until they are totally satisfied with the lighting. From then on, unless they change the lights, they are only concerned about posture. Dont get caught in the mis-conception that if you are shoot more, you will get a higher chance of getting a picture. Do your prep work first and the overall quality of all your shoots will improve.

Hi Discreet,

Cool ... You comment are quick but straight to the point. Can tell that you are one of those who really done studio before.

So far the only chance I can do a studio shoot is during my course practical session which last only 15 mins per session.

In fact , I have not even go for a actually studio shoot before but will give it a try after my course.

Thanks for sharing bro :thumbsup:

 

[DarkForce]

Ha! Ha! I quite agree with you that DF pics. really not so good! I support you! But he really new in studio and with a normal girl only! Still need to be improved.
Seen your pics. too! If want to C&C, really got alots to do so!
From above words you said, maybe you can try and shoot for my mother and i'll pay you twice if you can make her look nice and happy with your works!How??? Try your mother first if she like it, than you are consider OK! And pose it here again for C&C look what people talk about your works! I don't think you want to hear the real words.
Back to the topic you mention, If you learn to shoot from a pro-model, you will learn slower! Because your friends and clients is not a PRO-MODEL.!
So, i will said that let him learn from the RAW-MODEL first correct? If he can handle this than don't need to talk about real model liao! Even some Pro-model pose for us also don't really work too and we still need to do some adjustment lay;p
Hope that my words here can correct your thinking:think: Because we are train to let the model pay the photographers ( my son want to buy....I need to pay....)

1) Now everyone know where I take my course from liao :sweat:

2) Sorry that my lousy works had cause bad name to your center. Please don't kill me when I drop by to see you guys hor

3) Anyway , student fail to make model smile or student is stupid also cannot blame the school wah :cry: It very unfair that got people say that it is the school's fault.

 

[AncientMariner]

1) Now everyone know where I take my course from liao :sweat:

2) Sorry that my lousy works had cause bad name to your center. Please don't kill me when I drop by to see you guys hor

3) Anyway , student fail to make model smile or student is stupid also got nothing to do with the school wah :cry:

You don't have to worry.
I spoke to Stanley about this before and they don't mind.
Posting pics from the beginning actually allows people to see how you improve and with your positive attitude of accepting adverse comments, you will certainly improve.
I was worse before the course and when I look at my pics taken last year, I go :sticktong.

 

[DarkForce]

You don't have to worry.
I spoke to Stanley about this before and they don't mind.
Posting pics from the beginning actually allows people to see how you improve and with your positive attitude of accepting adverse comments, you will certainly improve.
I was worse before the course and when I look at my pics taken last year, I go :sticktong.

This Thu and Fri I will be there at night. Drop by to chat chat leh.

 

[AncientMariner]

This Thu and Fri I will be there at night. Drop by to chat chat leh.

Ok. Friday,I go to my Bugis Junction showroom. So will pop over after that.

 

[DarkForce]

Ok. Friday,I go to my Bugis Junction showroom. So will pop over after that.

You own a showroom at Bugis ? Wow ...... OK . make sure u POP by hor. I prepare needle first ;p

 

[SLCC]

Why you worry? If you are good you no need attend any course liao! There are 40 students in a class, you can't say the teacher very good when you see the students with flying colour and say the teacher very lousy when you see the students with so so or not very good result. We have many students also not doing very well at first but now they can do :thumbsup: !

Everyone have to learn how to walk before they run, learn from misstake and try to do it better next time. SLCC always support our students just like how they support us. Cheers la!!!

 

[AncientMariner]

You own a showroom at Bugis ? Wow ...... OK . make sure u POP by hor. I prepare needle first ;p

I am only a clerk, kicked from pillar to post, to ka-chao my boss' investments.
But what needle? I cannot knit, leh.

 

[JSNG]

When you state that you are a newbie, people have a better idea of what kind of help you need, that is you are still struggling with the basic. So they can zoom in to the problem quickly and give advises accordingly.

Your argument are just your assumptions. You assume that others will not point out mistakes of newbie, which I don't think is true.

Newbie or not, my point is.. do you even need to state that you're a newbie? Lookie, if he didn't state he was a newbie, I'm sure people would have taken him to the task of not providing "high standard" photography. I'm sure more people here would bring out comments about how his photos are lacking, rather than excusing his mistakes for the fact that he's a newbie.
If people forgive your newbie mistakes and not point them out, you'll forever remain your "newbie" standard. Once you get some hard wacking, I'm sure you'll be trying hard to avoid such mistakes again.

All right, at least you start to do some homework now, next time b4 you talk big like you did, at least do a last minute search, so that you can justify your ego better.

Anyway, spoon feeding time.. I don't read books much nowadays :embrass: coz never pay my library fine. Here are some resources for you..
....

1. Whether the standard is rapidly sliding here, and whether it is caused by "well done" comments, is your own opinion, don't treat it as a statement of fact.

2. I really don't understand why you said that I am the sort to blame everyone else but myself. I dont know where that comes from.. :dunno:

3. What I can see from the pics you posted, only point to the fact that your standard are at best on par with those "100,000 pictures" posted in this forum, and not above them. I think you should be the one who think hard whether you are the sort to blame everyone else but yourself. Sorry for not mincing my words. But you may have to check your ego.

4. Since you are against asking for forgiveness, I dont know why you state that you are new
to using strobes, have not gone for any formal courses/lessons on studio lighting at all, no money to attend formal photography lessons etc etc.. Seems like you act against your theory.

5. In my humble opinions, we should indeed face the truth. But whether we should delibrately use our own interpretation of "truth" to hurt others, is totally another matter.
Define truth.

JSNG => i believe it's more of a matter of generally rapidly sliding standards of photo in CS that is gathering "well done" comments that's causing others to make such comments. I can see you're the sort to blame everyone else but yourself. Read my take on the newbie stuff above. Skin deep or not, it's to your own perception. I'm just stating facts, though in a harsh way. Truth hurts, no?

 

[DarkForce]

Guys,

Please allow me to say something here before closing this thread.

I appreciate all those positive feedback given here and thanks to those who offer me help.

Well, In Studio photography , I am just a starter who still got lots to catch up before having a full clear picture on the studio lighting concept.

For those who had see me posted before, I prefer to choose a more humble tone of writing. I hate to see people comparing who is the best, who is the King or whatever they think that they are good at. So what if you are the best ? We all still got to die one day and whatever skill and equipment we have will become history.

A good photographer is not only good in skill but personality play an important role too.

Whether I call myself a newbie or not does not really matter as long as I adopt the thinking that no matter how good we are, there are still better one out there.

Usually I will try my best to lower myself and accept all sort of positive feedback. Despite some of it that I might don't really agree to it but I won't conclude that those are wrong.
Most of the time those are just in a big grey area.

I enjoy study in SLCC and really thankful to all those people there who have put in great effort to help and guide me. Thanks especially to Joanne who had done more then enough to help me.

Just a warning to those waiting to see show hiding out there. I will still continue to lower myself whenever posting any new thread hoping to get positive feedback but that does not mean people can just happily come in to step on me as they like. When necessary, my true form shall appear.

Shall stop here and thank you guys here for all for your time.

Thank you

 

[DarkForce]

Die liao..

How come I cannot find the "Close thread" option ? :sweat: :dunno:

 

[Errz]

Hi Discreet,

Cool ... You comment are quick but straight to the point. Can tell that you are one of those who really done studio before.

So far the only chance I can do a studio shoot is during my course practical session which last only 15 mins per session.

In fact , I have not even go for a actually studio shoot before but will give it a try after my course.

Thanks for sharing bro :thumbsup:

i know how isit like man. U can ask stanley. I totally blank out when shooting studio :bsmilie:
can hear pin drop somemore. I sux at studio shoot.

 

[Errz]

Die liao..

How come I cannot find the "Close thread" option ? :sweat: :dunno:

Thread Tool lah deh.

 

[DarkForce]

Thread Tool lah deh.

My thread tools only got "Delete Thread". :dunno:

 

[Errz]

My thread tools only got "Delete Thread". :dunno:

pm mod/admin ?

 

[DarkForce]

pm mod/admin ?

OK. thanks. :sweat:

 

[unseen]

ya lor, agreed with madmacs, a photographer should also learn how to pose a model and this course gave them an opportunity to learn tt.


not everyone is so money-minded one la :sweat: and when you sae can't provide a decent model, i hope you mean can't provide a very experienced model :bigeyes:

Wow..saw your work..Very well done..But shall we not hijack Bro Dark's thread here..You start another thread..I support you there..Thks

lol yeah i meant about the experienced model.. My verbal failure to clarify again.. XD
I'm just used to "free models" (read:friends) that I sorta expect that when that if I were to pay for some model, I'd expect them to be better. Otherwise.. hmmmm...

heh i don't usually post my photos here.. my automated script doesn't put my nick here on my photos.. and I'm lazy to change it.. heh anyway i'm not here to hijack Bro Dark's thread, but since I've been told that people are not happy about me talking without showing my photos, I'd thought I show some..
I'd hope he does read the links that I provided.. it'll really give insights to studio photography.

Master Ash, yes you.. From when I 1st picked up my dSLR till now (1 more month to 1 year anniversary), I've learnt lots from you. Heh my shi fu.. Thanks..

 

[madmacs]

lol yeah i meant about the experienced model.. My verbal failure to clarify again.. XD
I'm just used to "free models" (read:friends) that I sorta expect that when that if I were to pay for some model, I'd expect them to be better. Otherwise.. hmmmm...

heh i don't usually post my photos here.. my automated script doesn't put my nick here on my photos.. and I'm lazy to change it.. heh anyway i'm not here to hijack Bro Dark's thread, but since I've been told that people are not happy about me talking without showing my photos, I'd thought I show some..
I'd hope he does read the links that I provided.. it'll really give insights to studio photography.

Master Ash, yes you.. From when I 1st picked up my dSLR till now (1 more month to 1 year anniversary), I've learnt lots from you. Heh my shi fu.. Thanks..

who not happy with you? :think: i think if you stick to friendly tone no one will complain.

btw...i have come across so-called pro models who are damn hard to work with, and also first-time "models" who were simply a joy to work with. at the end of the day, we need to learn how to work with all kinds.

 

[unseen]

LOL ah... I've never said my photos are good, or that I'm happy with them.. I just posted them as it is. I merely mentioned they were different.

Other than the white shoot, I felt the rest were below standard that I didn't even bother to put them up here, nothing much different.. Even if I did, I suppose most of the remarks I will recieve will be rather shallow. I never proclaimed once I was a "pro" or anything, but it's just mere common sense that DF photos weren't that good, that I saw more positive remarks than actual critiques that prompted me to make my remarks.

*shrug* in other forums/threads, I've asked others to give the harshest critiques they can. Feel free to pm me those if you wish to. Personally I don't want to hear that they're good. I want to hear how they can be better. I already felt that they were not bad, that's why I posted them up to see how they could be better anyway.

I know DF is happy about his shots, else he won't be posting them up. The rest of the people aren't helping to bring him back to earth. *shrug* I know, I've got lots of what I thought was well taken photos, but end up I was surprised to find all the mistakes I actually overlooked when pointed out by others..

JSNG => for you to judge my standard, why don't you post some studio shots of yours so that we know how qualified you are to comment. In fact, I'm not sure you even know anything about photography.
As to why I posted my background, it's up to you to speculate.