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I'm not going to mince my words.
These shots look rather bad to me. You might as well put a piece of wood there to take if you aren't going to put some thoughts into posing your subject.
This model is quite bad, she looks so half hearted and rather reluctant in her poses.
Even your lighting looks half-hearted. The shadows are neither harsh or soft enough, does nothing to improve the photograph. The lights are neither harsh or soft.
It'll do you good for you to actually go study abit about how other photographers/magazines/books do studio lighting. There's more than enough resources available on the internet too.
It's quite sad that you have to hide behind a "newbie shot" comment. If you're not willing to open up to serious criticism, want to hide behind such silly masks. It's likely 1 year down the road you'll still be of newbie standard, so you will be able to claim of another "newbie shot".
I think you ought to experiment more. Why force yourself to stick with supposedly "safe" shots? These shots, slightly lacking in many aspects, are just like any other 100000 shots floating around in CS. I doubt any of these images will stay on anyone's mind for more than 5 seconds. Nothing special.
These shots look rather bad to me. You might as well put a piece of wood there to take if you aren't going to put some thoughts into posing your subject.
This model is quite bad, she looks so half hearted and rather reluctant in her poses.
Even your lighting looks half-hearted. The shadows are neither harsh or soft enough, does nothing to improve the photograph. The lights are neither harsh or soft.
It'll do you good for you to actually go study abit about how other photographers/magazines/books do studio lighting. There's more than enough resources available on the internet too.
It's quite sad that you have to hide behind a "newbie shot" comment. If you're not willing to open up to serious criticism, want to hide behind such silly masks. It's likely 1 year down the road you'll still be of newbie standard, so you will be able to claim of another "newbie shot".
I think you ought to experiment more. Why force yourself to stick with supposedly "safe" shots? These shots, slightly lacking in many aspects, are just like any other 100000 shots floating around in CS. I doubt any of these images will stay on anyone's mind for more than 5 seconds. Nothing special.
If Rome architechs were to use the clauses "still learning" and "still taking a course" and "newbie", Rome would be made of straw and would have ceased to exist long ago. What they did was to study the good and made it better.
The overuse of the word "newbie" is appalling to say the least. It's just like begging for praises like "great shot for a newbie". When looking at the quality of photos, there shouldn't be any mitigation factors. What is bad, is just bad, regardless from newbie or oldbird.
To be honest, I'd say good try if i can, but it's clearly not a good try.
Personally I feel it's this fake "well done/Great photos" that's causing this very low standard of photos floating around in CS now. Newbies are/will be mislead to think that this is actually a great shoot/acceptable standard.
Makes me wonder if those people who said "well done" really haven't any exposure, or they're trying to keep the standards down..
The overuse of the word "newbie" is appalling to say the least. It's just like begging for praises like "great shot for a newbie". When looking at the quality of photos, there shouldn't be any mitigation factors. What is bad, is just bad, regardless from newbie or oldbird.
To be honest, I'd say good try if i can, but it's clearly not a good try.
Personally I feel it's this fake "well done/Great photos" that's causing this very low standard of photos floating around in CS now. Newbies are/will be mislead to think that this is actually a great shoot/acceptable standard.
Makes me wonder if those people who said "well done" really haven't any exposure, or they're trying to keep the standards down..
unseen said:
1) "I'm not going to mince my words"
- You are welcome to express your view as long as it does not break any of the Clubsnap rules and regulation.
2) "These shots look rather bad to me. You might as well put a piece of wood there to take if you aren't going to put some thoughts into posing your subject."
- Thanks for sharing your personal point of view. Maybe I am better off doing still life instead.
3) "This model is quite bad, she looks so half hearted and rather reluctant in her poses. "
- Must be my lousy communication skill fail to put the model in the right mood
4) "Even your lighting looks half-hearted. The shadows are neither harsh or soft enough, does nothing to improve the photograph. The lights are neither harsh or soft."
- Point noted. Will worker hard to understand lighting more.
5) "It'll do you good for you to actually go study abit about how other photographers/magazines/books do studio lighting. There's more than enough resources available on the internet too. "
- Had thought of that too.
6) "It's quite sad that you have to hide behind a "newbie shot" comment. If you're not willing to open up to serious criticism, want to hide behind such silly masks. It's likely 1 year down the road you'll still be of newbie standard, so you will be able to claim of another "newbie shot".
- So far I did not reject any comments. Since when I did not open up to serious criticism ? Ya I personally also really feel very sad. It's more than 2 years and I still find myself at newbie standard. I am a super slow learner, so maybe after 5 years most liklely I am still a newbie.
7) "I think you ought to experiment more. Why force yourself to stick with supposedly "safe" shots? These shots, slightly lacking in many aspects, are just like any other 100000 shots floating around in CS. I doubt any of these images will stay on anyone's mind for more than 5 seconds. Nothing special."
- Ya I agree with that. Even I myself lookng at the photos, I do not have the "wow" impression, just a so so photo only.
Thanks for your encourgement. I definitely need to spend time to experiment more of it.
Thank you
Hi guys,
Just a note.
You are welcome to post serious criticism here as long as it is not a form of personal attack.
Even although since I started taking up Studio course since few weeks ago and till now I only spend less then 2 hours in studio shootng session thus is really a Newbie in this area. Would still benifit from serious criticism from you guys.
Thank you
Just a note.
You are welcome to post serious criticism here as long as it is not a form of personal attack.
Even although since I started taking up Studio course since few weeks ago and till now I only spend less then 2 hours in studio shootng session thus is really a Newbie in this area. Would still benifit from serious criticism from you guys.
Thank you
unseen said:
And how do you know that the Rome architechs did not say that? :sticktong
Besides, "Rome wasn't built in one day" is an expression rather than to be taken literally...
Aren't most of us still learning photography that you need to condemn a person just because he use the word newbie? :think:
As for standards.. This is subjective to individuals experience and knowledge.
If you find the photos lacking, explaning where is lacking is a better way for the photographer to learn than to condemn the photographer by the words he use, etc..
If everyone starts condemning every single photo based on high standards.. then almost all the photographers here cannot make it. ;p
There are already a lot of people playing simon cowell in this forum, don't think we need another one.:thumbsd:
Please READ carefully. Darkforce mentioned that he only has 3 experience of studio shooting, and is still not sure how to handle the lights well, so he called himself newbie. He didnt say that he is a newbie in photography.
Even if he did, there is nothing wrong with that. If you compare him with someone with 20 to 30 yrs of professional shooting experience, he is still a newbie.
What do you mean by "Hiding"? I have seen Darkforce openly asked for critiques and he seems to be more annoyed when not getting one.
All you can give is some skin-deep advises, and you ask people to go and read books? hahaa, very helpful advise indeed.. at least quote the name of the books that you have read and post the relevant website please, if you really intend to help.
Last but not least, hope to see you post some pictures that doesn't look like any other 100000 floating around here, and give the rest of us some insipiration OK?
I think we are getting more & more of such postings lately. Guess many are just trying to vent their frustration or let go some pressure gather somewhere in their life..?
Please READ carefully. Darkforce mentioned that he only has 3 experience of studio shooting, and is still not sure how to handle the lights well, so he called himself newbie. He didnt say that he is a newbie in photography.
Even if he did, there is nothing wrong with that. If you compare him with someone with 20 to 30 yrs of professional shooting experience, he is still a newbie.
What do you mean by "Hiding"? I have seen Darkforce openly asked for critiques and he seems to be more annoyed when not getting one.
All you can give is some skin-deep advises, and you ask people to go and read books? hahaa, very helpful advise indeed.. at least quote the name of the books that you have read and post the relevant website please, if you really intend to help.
Last but not least, hope to see you post some pictures that doesn't look like any other 100000 floating around here, and give the rest of us some insipiration OK?
I think we are getting more & more of such postings lately. Guess many are just trying to vent their frustration or let go some pressure gather somewhere in their life..?
unseen said:
DarkForce said:Hi guys,
Just a note.
You are welcome to post serious criticism here as long as it is not a form of personal attack.
Even although since I started taking up Studio course since few weeks ago and till now I only spend less then 2 hours in studio shootng session thus is really a Newbie in this area. Would still benifit from serious criticism from you guys.
Thank you
eh.. sorry dude.. it's not a form of personal attack.. i don't know you and i've nothing against you. It's not about playing simon crowell, but I am as direct a person here as I am in life. Sorry if you found it offensive. I really wasn't impressed..
As for the model being bad.. perhaps i wasn't clear. Since it's a course, I assume she's being paid for her job to be shot. If you're being paid, you shouldn't be having that sort of expression on your face.
Newbie or not, my point is.. do you even need to state that you're a newbie? Lookie, if he didn't state he was a newbie, I'm sure people would have taken him to the task of not providing "high standard" photography. I'm sure more people here would bring out comments about how his photos are lacking, rather than excusing his mistakes for the fact that he's a newbie.
If people forgive your newbie mistakes and not point them out, you'll forever remain your "newbie" standard. Once you get some hard wacking, I'm sure you'll be trying hard to avoid such mistakes again.
Well I assumed that Darkforce is intending to improve himself, thus would go look for resources himself. Thus, I didn't post up anything.
Anyway, spoon feeding time.. I don't read books much nowadays :embrass: coz never pay my library fine. Here are some resources for you..
Seriously, go through all these on your own time, get a pair of strobes, you'll learn alot more than you can from courses. Me, for studio lighting, I learnt the basics, then after that I experiment to make pictures that I feel good about. In the end, it's all about the feeling, IMHO. While experimenting, eventually you'll get some setup that makes you feel pleased as punch with the results. speaking from personal experience.
VERY good site - Go through the whole thing. You'll get/find most of the things from other sites here:
http://www.studiolighting.net/
Very good explanations of fundamentals, though abit old and navigation sux
http://www.dofmaster.com/courses/basic/photographycourse-199.html
Very good examples/samples of the different lighting styles
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=008bWl
More examples
http://www.vividlight.com/articles/1615.htm
More on practical applications
http://www.lightingmagic.com/lightqa.htm
Different toys in use for studio lighting
http://www.vividlight.com/articles/1314.htm
Actual applications of different lighting styles
http://www.shutterbug.com/techniques/lighting/0403sb_amodel/
Suggestion.. learn about the toys for studio lighting.. VERY helpful in overcoming some common problems you'll eventually face (and already face) in your photos.
My guess is that you wanted to create a lighter patch behind the model's head and thus the strong over exposure with light leakage all over the place. I believe a snoot or honeycomb would have resolved some of the issues faced.
JSNG => i believe it's more of a matter of generally rapidly sliding standards of photo in CS that is gathering "well done" comments that's causing others to make such comments. I can see you're the sort to blame everyone else but yourself. Read my take on the newbie stuff above. Skin deep or not, it's to your own perception. I'm just stating facts, though in a harsh way. Truth hurts, no?
unseen said:
part of the course teaches the photographer how to pose the model. the model was probably instructed not to assist by posing automatically. the term "model" is used in a broad sense here and need not refer to experienced models. the model could be your mother, aunt, sister, friend, client or just someone on the street.
having a model who can pose and give all sorts of nice expressions makes a photographer's job easier, but then you may not get such models all the time. this course challenges you to make any model look good to the best of your ability. obviously if you can already do that then this course is not for you.
*shrug*
Well Arcanic says that people not happy with me, wanna see my works.. Here you go..
I'm a new to using strobes myself, and I've not gone for any formal courses/lessons on studio lighting at all. Neither have I any money to attend formal photography lessons. All that I know I learn from masters like Ash and so forth..
All the below done with FREE models.. Basically people with ZERO experience in posing.. Just friends.. Almost all of them posed by me too.
My 1st time playing with studio lights - relatively normal stuff..
Don't even have studio, I use NTU class room.
http://iamacow.multiply.com/photos/album/11
Something different..
My 1st studio (makeshift studio) attempt, my 4th time playing with studio lighting. Deliberated taken to lose edge details.
http://iamacow.multiply.com/photos/album/19
picture from my latest and 3rd studio attempt, 6th attempt with studio lights..
The rest here.. You can easily distinguish the studio from the non studio..
http://iamacow.multiply.com/photos
Feel free to comment.
Well Arcanic says that people not happy with me, wanna see my works.. Here you go..
I'm a new to using strobes myself, and I've not gone for any formal courses/lessons on studio lighting at all. Neither have I any money to attend formal photography lessons. All that I know I learn from masters like Ash and so forth..
All the below done with FREE models.. Basically people with ZERO experience in posing.. Just friends.. Almost all of them posed by me too.
My 1st time playing with studio lights - relatively normal stuff..
Don't even have studio, I use NTU class room.
http://iamacow.multiply.com/photos/album/11
Something different..
My 1st studio (makeshift studio) attempt, my 4th time playing with studio lighting. Deliberated taken to lose edge details.
http://iamacow.multiply.com/photos/album/19
picture from my latest and 3rd studio attempt, 6th attempt with studio lights..
The rest here.. You can easily distinguish the studio from the non studio..
http://iamacow.multiply.com/photos
Feel free to comment.
ya lor, agreed with madmacs, a photographer should also learn how to pose a model and this course gave them an opportunity to learn tt.
Wow..saw your work..Very well done..But shall we not hijack Bro Dark's thread here..You start another thread..I support you there..Thks
not everyone is so money-minded one la :sweat: and when you sae can't provide a decent model, i hope you mean can't provide a very experienced model :bigeyes:unseen said:
Wow..saw your work..Very well done..But shall we not hijack Bro Dark's thread here..You start another thread..I support you there..Thks
Quick Comment:
I shot a couple of photos where there was a red light in the picture and really pushed the reds on my sensors and made a couple of the photos unuseable. If I am not mistaken, you are using one of the lights as either a hairlight or maybe it is just a background light that is boucing off the pink/red background. The hair on your model has this red glow which I find very ugly and distasteful. With your red background, it simply makes its worst.
The problem i think if your model is too close to the background. Also, you can try using a white background. Anyway since you are just a newbie, i think you should stick with white and black until you know what you are doing. Another tip I can give you is that if you are shooting studio, try to take a few test shots and upload to a computer to check for the color and any other problems. This is like how Medium Format shooters will take a polaroid and scruntise it until they are totally satisfied with the lighting. From then on, unless they change the lights, they are only concerned about posture. Dont get caught in the mis-conception that if you are shoot more, you will get a higher chance of getting a picture. Do your prep work first and the overall quality of all your shoots will improve.
I shot a couple of photos where there was a red light in the picture and really pushed the reds on my sensors and made a couple of the photos unuseable. If I am not mistaken, you are using one of the lights as either a hairlight or maybe it is just a background light that is boucing off the pink/red background. The hair on your model has this red glow which I find very ugly and distasteful. With your red background, it simply makes its worst.
The problem i think if your model is too close to the background. Also, you can try using a white background. Anyway since you are just a newbie, i think you should stick with white and black until you know what you are doing. Another tip I can give you is that if you are shooting studio, try to take a few test shots and upload to a computer to check for the color and any other problems. This is like how Medium Format shooters will take a polaroid and scruntise it until they are totally satisfied with the lighting. From then on, unless they change the lights, they are only concerned about posture. Dont get caught in the mis-conception that if you are shoot more, you will get a higher chance of getting a picture. Do your prep work first and the overall quality of all your shoots will improve.
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