Full Frame DSLR

[abu2600]

Reason why I was still a newbie to camera and even not knowing my camera well is bcos I focus more on cars during this few years n neglected my 350D leading it to be faulty. Now I have the intention to fully focus on a brand new camera I would beileve that learning is not an issue.

With whichever camera, as long there senior to guide n coach. I beileve I can master it in no time just like I first bought an turbo charge car when I no nothing about it too.

I thought I can get lots of guidance over here but there seem to be people fustrated with me n teasing too. There also helpful people too I can say.

If I really to buy a good camera but know nuts about it, I guess I wouldn't dare to go for any meetup as there sure senior teasing me for buying a powerful camera instead of coaching me.

 

[abu2600]

I was just trying to figure every term everyone use in photography and do know why people prefer crops and why people prefer FF. But in return I got this. I wouldn't say that everyone in this thread are not helpful as there people who make me understand too.

In this thread at least I understand crop camera with L lenses photo look like what.

This is all I can explain and say.

 

[HVB88]

I think you are the type of person who can learn very fast if you have the tools (i.e. camera) with you.

So get a new camera (7D or 5Dmk2) and few L lenses.

Then start from there.

 

[sinned79]

If I really to buy a good camera but know nuts about it, I guess I wouldn't dare to go for any meetup as there sure senior teasing me for buying a powerful camera instead of coaching me.

u can self taught without joining any outings.

i self taught myself everything i know today thru trial and error.

 

[Rashkae]

u can self taught without joining any outings.

i self taught myself everything i know today thru trial and error.

Same here. It's a shame if you needed a senior to teach you. After all, exploration is the surest way of learning.

 

[weixing]

Hi,
Basically FF DSLR are good for wide angle and better image quality (when print very big), but are usually more expensive DSLR compare to the aps-c 1.6x crop camera. So if you like to shoot landscape (scenery photo), you might want to consider FF DSLR. Canon got two series of FF DSLR: 5D series and 1Ds series. 5D series is the amateur FF DSLR. 1Ds series are the professional FF DSLR with better build quality, more advanced features and more expensive.

If you like to take action, sport, wildlife, birding & etc, 7D and 1D series is more suitable since they had features design to shoot fast moving objects, had very high frame rate for fast continuous shots and lenses use on them will appear to have longer focal length (due to the crop factor) which is good, IMHO, for what they design for. 7D is an amateur aps-c 1.6x crop DSLR and 1D series are the professional aps-h 1.3x crop DSLR. Please note that only aps-c 1.6x crop camera can use EF-S lens.

xxxxD (1000D) series and xxxD (550D) series is an aps-c 1.6x crop DSLR design for entry level and general purpose shooting, but that doesn't mean you can't take good picture. They do not have those advanced features found in the more expensive models, but are at lower cost.

xxD series (60D) are somewhere in between the xxxD and the 7D... better build and had better features than xxxD.

Anyway, all DSLR can do all sort of photography... just that some model are design to make certain photography easier for the photographer.

Just my S$0.02.

Happy Chinese New Year and have a nice day.

 

[kei1309]

Reason why I was still a newbie to camera and even not knowing my camera well is bcos I focus more on cars during this few years n neglected my 350D leading it to be faulty. Now I have the intention to fully focus on a brand new camera I would beileve that learning is not an issue.

With whichever camera, as long there senior to guide n coach. I beileve I can master it in no time just like I first bought an turbo charge car when I no nothing about it too.

I thought I can get lots of guidance over here but there seem to be people fustrated with me n teasing too. There also helpful people too I can say.

If I really to buy a good camera but know nuts about it, I guess I wouldn't dare to go for any meetup as there sure senior teasing me for buying a powerful camera instead of coaching me.

I was just trying to figure every term everyone use in photography and do know why people prefer crops and why people prefer FF. But in return I got this. I wouldn't say that everyone in this thread are not helpful as there people who make me understand too.

In this thread at least I understand crop camera with L lenses photo look like what.

This is all I can explain and say.

photography is not like driving a turbo-charged car.

you need patience. there'll be trial and error. sometimes you have to postpone shots by weeks and months just because of the weather. sometimes you miss the shot completely.
i've no doubts about your driving skills. heck, even i blew myself completely away by my own driving skills (i suck at it :bsmilie

by the way, do understand why the seniors are telling you to get a cheaper camera. cheaper doesn't mean that it's bad. give a point-and-shoot to a pro and he'll capture stunning shots.
just get a cheap DSLR from any brand, and learn the basics of exposure first. after which once you're comfortable with photography, and find that your equipment limits you and you want to chase it all the way, then upgrade.

it's pointless to buy a top-of-the-line DSLR and then...chuck it aside once more for another hobby.

by what you've said, right now you want to make full use of your camera. but pardon me, but i think you're forcing yourself to be passionate about it, because you feel that you wasted your 350D. believe me, a forced passion will die out pretty quick.

 

[chicklit]

Let say out of 5 persons I know into photography:
- 1 Will upgrade to FF
- 1 Will explore another brand
- 1 Will remaind as is, no update, not buying more gears/lenses
- 1 Will change to another hobby
- 1 Is just normal hobbyst, who sometimes hit by BBB virus

 

[sinned79]

Let say out of 5 persons I know into photography:
- 1 Will upgrade to FF
- 1 Will explore another brand
- 1 Will remaind as is, no update, not buying more gears/lenses
- 1 Will change to another hobby
- 1 Is just normal hobbyst, who sometimes hit by BBB virus

quite true.

- 1 Will upgrade to FF - done this
- 1 Will explore another brand - dun think i will, still very comfortable with Canon
- 1 Will remain as is, no update, not buying more gears/lenses - Trying to
- 1 Will change to another hobby - As of now no
- 1 Is just normal hobbyst, who sometimes hit by BBB virus - I try to be more then just a normal hobbyst, try to earn some income from this hobby to make it worthwhile. And once a while i am hit by BBB virus :bsmilie:

 

[abu2600]

u can self taught without joining any outings.

i self taught myself everything i know today thru trial and error.

I agreed self taught can learn too but there always some tricks which senior can guide you better and learning with senior hands on will shorten your learning time.

That how I pick up my skill in everything that I want to learn.

 

[abu2600]

Same here. It's a shame if you needed a senior to teach you. After all, exploration is the surest way of learning.

I don mean by teaching me everything. It should be guiding n giving you some tricks n tips.

I don feel shame too if there people going to teach me. It just like children going school. Why don they stay at home n self learn n why need to go school too??? Rite?

 

[CasonLyn]

I was just trying to figure every term everyone use in photography and do know why people prefer crops and why people prefer FF. But in return I got this. I wouldn't say that everyone in this thread are not helpful as there people who make me understand too.

In this thread at least I understand crop camera with L lenses photo look like what.

This is all I can explain and say.

Maybe you can explain the difference between that crop cam photo and a photo taken by a FF with the same lens. If you can find compelling reasons why you prefer the pic taken by FF cam, then buying the FF cam will be worth your money.

I think if you can show that you have learn something through the advice here, then some of the bros here will not be so harsh on you. Humility is a virtue for any new comer in any profession.

 

[sinned79]

I agreed self taught can learn too but there always some tricks which senior can guide you better and learning with senior hands on will shorten your learning time.

i dun think any seniors here will spoon feed u during outing.

more like u stand beside and see/observe what he is doing.

i rather u either read up and experiment it yourself, that's more satisfying then trying to copy what these seniors do.

that's another type of learning curve too.

 

[wootsk]

I think you are badly lost. Suggest you get some free time to read up on the below before posting anymore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format --> Difference about different digital image sensor size and what actually is APS-C, APS-H, Full Frame, Four Thirds System... etc etc. It also explain what are the advantage of a bigger sensor size. Just get this into your mind as additional functions between different functions might varies.

The only thing about canon L lens is that they are all designed with image circle to cover a canon camera Full Frame sensor thought there are also other non L lens that can cover it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_circle --> link to image circle

Another thing about canon is EF and EF-S, they are 2 different type mount. Read up on it, even if a EF-S lens has a IC enough to cover the sensor, it still cannot be mounted on canon Full Frame because they are all EF mount. Read up on how SLR system works as well before posting. Thanks

I am already spoon feeding you some of the information that you can actually find out yourself easily and most are actually available in WIKI. I hate spoon feeding for your information.

 

[wootsk]

If you need a guide, go attend the canon workshop after you get a canon camera. The instructor are ready to accept any question you fire at them.

 

[sinned79]

If you need a guide, go attend the canon workshop after you get a canon camera. The instructor are ready to accept any question you fire at them.

just to spoon feed him a little more.

here's the link to apply for Canon workshops:
http://www.canon.com.sg/personal/yourcanon/eosacademy

alternatively, you can also pay to sign up for workshops and training class:
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=121

but with your (referring to TS) attitude, if u join any outings and expect a senior to spoon feed u, i doubt any seniors will do that assuming u behave like this in real life as well cos they dun owe u anything.

 

[mesh0x]

after reading all the replies in this thread, my own experience in photography; started only in late 2009, and at that time, i'm using my wife's Ixus and i was completely lost when comes to photography terms and technical aspects. worse still i was enrolled on of my university's module in digital photography and it as a 'crash course' photography for me, with my limited knowledge n skills. I realize to fully understand photography, i need to read (lots of it) explore, experiment, ask advices etc.

like TS said, i'm in your position then and like you, wanted a new cam to learn. to buy the 'best' cam i can dream off. when you read, you will gain new knowledge that you always wanted. you want tips?tricks? read! search and google. you will definitely found the answer. honestly, for me, there are no shorcuts to getting good/expert results or experience,without going through the proper learning curve. of course the pros and seniors can give tips, but you also have to play your part in trying to find the answers too. frankly, the best way to learn is to shoot with your cam itself! from there, you will discover 'what if i use this mode/setting' combo and yield different results. that's how i learn to master my own cam settings before i upgrade,and i upgrade progressively. From my first 500D to 50D and finally to 5D2. this steps help me to familiarize and learn the funtion each cam can offer and how to yield best results. after this, then i move on to advanced learning.

also, dun forget camera maintainence is also important. i also use dry box but find it too cumbersome to monitor, hence use the dry cabinet. i read about the %RH from books and online research and how to set the settings as well, how to clean the lens, the cam etc.
L lenses are a dream, but again, read extensively the pros and cons. i use a mixture of L, EF and a 3rd party lens, cos i have personally shot and saw the results of each lens, based on reviews from users. honestly, all my lens perform superbly! of cos, with limitations.

in summary, a basic knowledge and understanding is important for you to progress. no wrong in asking the CSers, but avoid basic questions which you could easily get the answer by just doing a bit of reading. one of reason y i seldom 'chat' in forums becos i will be 'malu' if i ask a question and it can be found easily. so i do a search until i really cannot find, then ask. Reading is the basis of knowledge

 

[ArcticFox]

With whichever camera, as long there senior to guide n coach. I beileve I can master it in no time just like I first bought an turbo charge car when I no nothing about it too.

I thought I can get lots of guidance over here but there seem to be people fustrated with me n teasing too. There also helpful people too I can say.

If I really to buy a good camera but know nuts about it, I guess I wouldn't dare to go for any meetup as there sure senior teasing me for buying a powerful camera instead of coaching me.

I am sorry but I think driving a turbo charge car alone is no big deal, all you need is money.

Meanwhile, mastering photography is totally different from mastering driving as I believe photography is only 10% technical which you can achieve via. course/book. The other 90% comes from within.

 

[kei1309]

I am sorry but I think driving a turbo charge car alone is no big deal, all you need is money.

Meanwhile, mastering photography is totally different from mastering driving as I believe photography is only 10% technical which you can achieve via. course/book. The other 90% comes from within.

:thumbsup:

 

[lioneldude]

I am sorry but I think driving a turbo charge car alone is no big deal, all you need is money.

Meanwhile, mastering photography is totally different from mastering driving as I believe photography is only 10% technical which you can achieve via. course/book. The other 90% comes from within.

You need the eye for photography too! :thumbsup: