Fujifilm x100vi an expensive point and shoot?
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Mark Wiemels says the approximately 20 lenses (Fuji X mount) he showed in the video each cost less than USD$200?
Really, is that true? Fuji X series lenses are APS-C sensor format.
Hmm... look at the prices of some MFT lenses.
Olympus MFT ED 7-14mm f/2.8 PRO lens costs SGD$2,036.
Olympus MFT Digital ED 150-400mm F4.5 TC1.25X IS PRO Lens costs SGD$11,409.
Olympus MFT Digital ED 300mm F4 IS PRO Lens costs SGD$4,685.
If what Mark Wiemels says is true and you agree with him.
Then why would anyone want to buy into a MFT system?
But that is another story altogether.
By the way, I do not agree with Mark Wiemels entirely.
Title of thread says:
The answer is Yes and so what?
The consumers who buy Fuji X100VI are more than happy to pay their money.
Mark Wiemels does not understand that Fuji X100VI is a fashion statement.
It has THE LOOK.
To many consumers, that is the Only Thing that matters.
Therefore when Mark Wiemels prattles on and on about alternative cameras' specifications and interchangeable lenses.
He misses the point entirely.
The 40MP, IBIS, Leaf Shutter, Hybrid viewfinder of the Fuji X100VI are pretty good specs. It is not shabby.
Why does a LV or Prada or Birkin bag cost more than an ordinary good bag say, by Muji brand or Uniqlo brand?
Its is up to the consumer to decide what they are willing to pay.
To some consumers, USD$1,600 for Fuji X100VI is reasonable.
For consumers with money, they will pay for a camera that attracts them.
Like this one, for example. Just saying. This special edition film camera costs a lot more than the Fuji X100VI.
Credit: mir.com.my
Really, is that true? Fuji X series lenses are APS-C sensor format.
Hmm... look at the prices of some MFT lenses.
Olympus MFT ED 7-14mm f/2.8 PRO lens costs SGD$2,036.
Olympus MFT Digital ED 150-400mm F4.5 TC1.25X IS PRO Lens costs SGD$11,409.
Olympus MFT Digital ED 300mm F4 IS PRO Lens costs SGD$4,685.
If what Mark Wiemels says is true and you agree with him.
Then why would anyone want to buy into a MFT system?
But that is another story altogether.
By the way, I do not agree with Mark Wiemels entirely.
Title of thread says:
Fujifilm x100vi an expensive point and shoot?
The answer is Yes and so what?
The consumers who buy Fuji X100VI are more than happy to pay their money.
Mark Wiemels does not understand that Fuji X100VI is a fashion statement.
It has THE LOOK.
To many consumers, that is the Only Thing that matters.
Therefore when Mark Wiemels prattles on and on about alternative cameras' specifications and interchangeable lenses.
He misses the point entirely.
The 40MP, IBIS, Leaf Shutter, Hybrid viewfinder of the Fuji X100VI are pretty good specs. It is not shabby.
Why does a LV or Prada or Birkin bag cost more than an ordinary good bag say, by Muji brand or Uniqlo brand?
Its is up to the consumer to decide what they are willing to pay.
To some consumers, USD$1,600 for Fuji X100VI is reasonable.
For consumers with money, they will pay for a camera that attracts them.
Like this one, for example. Just saying. This special edition film camera costs a lot more than the Fuji X100VI.
Credit: mir.com.my
Samuel Streetlife is a Ricoh ambassador. It is his job. He earns his living saying good things about Ricoh.
See
Ambassador
He even wears a Ricoh jacket in the video to emphasize this built-in bias.
He was worried that the video viewers may not notice.
The moment he brutally criticizes Ricoh product in a YouTube video, he loses his job / ambassadorship.
What do you expect him to say?
So we must understand the pressure on these YouTube influencers. They got bills to pay and families to feed.
What I don't like about the video is that at the very start.
Samuel Streetlife said he bought the Fuji X100VI with the full intention to return it to the shop after making the YouTube video.
Presumably he gets his money back. This is an abuse by YouTube video creators. It is unfair to the camera shop.
He tried to give an impression that Ricoh GRIIIx lens is better.
I am not convinced about his very rough and subjective lens sharpness test.
He did not use a tripod. The sloppiness was intentional.
Do notice the 2 photos are not identical.
You can tell from the reflections in the child's eye - in his pupil.
In the Fuji X100VI photo the child has tilted his head to the right.
I do not like this kind of dirty tricks.
Just be clean and above board in your lens tests.
If he wanted to do a proper lens test, do note that lens test charts are widely available.
Credit: image-engineering.de
Typical Lens Test Chart
The process / methodology / protocol of reliable institutions for lens sharpness test is well known for him to follow.
Which he obviously avoided. For fear of getting the real lens test result.
Samuel Streetlife should do an objective and scientific test. Before declaring conclusions.
By the way, is this a test of the LENS?
Or is this a test of the Autofocus ability of the camera?
2 more things.
• Samuel Streetlife tried to twist an argument that (compared to the Fuji X100VI) the lack of an optical viewfinder / EVF in the Ricoh GR IIIx is an advantage when using to take photos.
Which is utter nonsense.
• Samuel Streetlife argued that the Fuji's plethora of controls allowing the user to fine tune exactly what he wants - is inferior to the Ricoh GR IIIx lack of the same.
Which is utter nonsense.
Because he committed these serious wrongdoings, in my opinion Samuel Streetlife is just another PAID FOR snake oil salesman.
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Now about the S9 vs X100VI comparison.
I agree that the Full Frame sensor of S9 is better than the APS-C sensor of X100VI.
S9 AF is better than X100VI AF (seems there was a firmware upgrade to rectify this).
But you cannot take flash photos with S9.
S9 has no mechanical shutter.
S9 has no EVF.
S9 28mm F8 MANUAL FOCUS lens cannot accept filter or lens cap.
S9 is very UGLY. Especially if you mount a Very Big and Heavy lens on it. Completely out of proportion.
See
Ambassador
He even wears a Ricoh jacket in the video to emphasize this built-in bias.
He was worried that the video viewers may not notice.
The moment he brutally criticizes Ricoh product in a YouTube video, he loses his job / ambassadorship.
What do you expect him to say?
So we must understand the pressure on these YouTube influencers. They got bills to pay and families to feed.
What I don't like about the video is that at the very start.
Samuel Streetlife said he bought the Fuji X100VI with the full intention to return it to the shop after making the YouTube video.
Presumably he gets his money back. This is an abuse by YouTube video creators. It is unfair to the camera shop.
He tried to give an impression that Ricoh GRIIIx lens is better.
I am not convinced about his very rough and subjective lens sharpness test.
He did not use a tripod. The sloppiness was intentional.
Do notice the 2 photos are not identical.
You can tell from the reflections in the child's eye - in his pupil.
In the Fuji X100VI photo the child has tilted his head to the right.
I do not like this kind of dirty tricks.
Just be clean and above board in your lens tests.
If he wanted to do a proper lens test, do note that lens test charts are widely available.
Credit: image-engineering.de
Typical Lens Test Chart
The process / methodology / protocol of reliable institutions for lens sharpness test is well known for him to follow.
Which he obviously avoided. For fear of getting the real lens test result.
Samuel Streetlife should do an objective and scientific test. Before declaring conclusions.
By the way, is this a test of the LENS?
Or is this a test of the Autofocus ability of the camera?
2 more things.
• Samuel Streetlife tried to twist an argument that (compared to the Fuji X100VI) the lack of an optical viewfinder / EVF in the Ricoh GR IIIx is an advantage when using to take photos.
Which is utter nonsense.
• Samuel Streetlife argued that the Fuji's plethora of controls allowing the user to fine tune exactly what he wants - is inferior to the Ricoh GR IIIx lack of the same.
Which is utter nonsense.
Because he committed these serious wrongdoings, in my opinion Samuel Streetlife is just another PAID FOR snake oil salesman.
------------
Now about the S9 vs X100VI comparison.
I agree that the Full Frame sensor of S9 is better than the APS-C sensor of X100VI.
S9 AF is better than X100VI AF (seems there was a firmware upgrade to rectify this).
But you cannot take flash photos with S9.
S9 has no mechanical shutter.
S9 has no EVF.
S9 28mm F8 MANUAL FOCUS lens cannot accept filter or lens cap.
S9 is very UGLY. Especially if you mount a Very Big and Heavy lens on it. Completely out of proportion.
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He is not an ambassador of any brand. Got lens test chart hor. 
@11:00 image quality, @12:30 dynamic range, @ 13:00 video quality, @ 14:47 high speed 240 FP slow mo, @ 15:18 rolling shutter.
He say lens is expensive..click bait?
@ 3:16 image quality.
@11:00 image quality, @12:30 dynamic range, @ 13:00 video quality, @ 14:47 high speed 240 FP slow mo, @ 15:18 rolling shutter.
He say lens is expensive..click bait?
@ 3:16 image quality.Yes.
If want to talk about sharpness of the Fujinon lens. (which the Ricoh ambassador was trying to insult by a deceitful devious trick)
See 3:13 to 4:03 of the 2nd video. Using lens test charts.
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At f2.8 excellent sharpness in the corners and perfect sharpness back in the middle.
This remains up to f8.
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Christopher Frost
If want to talk about sharpness of the Fujinon lens. (which the Ricoh ambassador was trying to insult by a deceitful devious trick)
See 3:13 to 4:03 of the 2nd video. Using lens test charts.
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At f2.8 excellent sharpness in the corners and perfect sharpness back in the middle.
This remains up to f8.
} UnQuote
By
Christopher Frost
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When comparing lenses, the Ricoh ambassador said at 23:36 of his video:
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wide open, the GRIIIx definitely smoked the Fujifilm.
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In my opinion this is very misleading.
Why?
• See the test result by Chrisotpher Frost above.
• The Fujinon Aspherical Lens is a 23mm f2 Super EBC.
• The lens in the Ricoh GR IIIx (APS-C) is 26.1mm f2. 8 lens.
• The Fujinon lens is one stop brighter than the Ricoh lens. f2 vs f2.8
• The Fujinon has a wider angle of view 23mm vs the 26.1mm of the Ricoh.
• The Fujinon lens has a physical lens barrel.
• The Ricoh lens is hidden within the camera body.
• You can rapidly and easily change the aperture on the Fujinon lens by turning the aperture ring.
• You cannot easily change aperture with the Ricoh, instead you have to fiddle with nested menus, press buttons and turn dials on the body.
• You can rapidly and easily manually focus the Fujinon lens by turning the focus ring.
• You cannot easily manual focus the Ricoh, instead you have to fiddle with nested menus, press buttons and turn dials on the body.
• With AX-100 adapter ring, you can fit a physical filter and lens cap on the Fujinon lens. You can use polarizing filter and many other types of filters.
• You CANNOT fit any physical filter onto the front of the Ricoh lens as it is recessed inside the body.
• What did he mean "wide open". In Fujinon wide open is f2. The Ricoh GRIIIx CANNOT reach f2. It is a f2.8 lens.
• Fuji X100VI has a built-in flash. The Ricoh GRIIIx does not have built in flash. Lighting possibility improves usefulness of the lens.
• The Ricoh GR is prone to dust getting into the lens and causing permanent damage.
• Fujinon lens don't have this problem once you fit a UV filter on it.
• Fuji says using the AR-X100 and PRF-49 together make the X100VI weather-resistant. The Ricoh GR IIIx is not.
Quote {
wide open, the GRIIIx definitely smoked the Fujifilm.
} UnQuote
In my opinion this is very misleading.
Why?
• See the test result by Chrisotpher Frost above.
• The Fujinon Aspherical Lens is a 23mm f2 Super EBC.
• The lens in the Ricoh GR IIIx (APS-C) is 26.1mm f2. 8 lens.
• The Fujinon lens is one stop brighter than the Ricoh lens. f2 vs f2.8
• The Fujinon has a wider angle of view 23mm vs the 26.1mm of the Ricoh.
• The Fujinon lens has a physical lens barrel.
• The Ricoh lens is hidden within the camera body.
• You can rapidly and easily change the aperture on the Fujinon lens by turning the aperture ring.
• You cannot easily change aperture with the Ricoh, instead you have to fiddle with nested menus, press buttons and turn dials on the body.
• You can rapidly and easily manually focus the Fujinon lens by turning the focus ring.
• You cannot easily manual focus the Ricoh, instead you have to fiddle with nested menus, press buttons and turn dials on the body.
• With AX-100 adapter ring, you can fit a physical filter and lens cap on the Fujinon lens. You can use polarizing filter and many other types of filters.
• You CANNOT fit any physical filter onto the front of the Ricoh lens as it is recessed inside the body.
• What did he mean "wide open". In Fujinon wide open is f2. The Ricoh GRIIIx CANNOT reach f2. It is a f2.8 lens.
• Fuji X100VI has a built-in flash. The Ricoh GRIIIx does not have built in flash. Lighting possibility improves usefulness of the lens.
• The Ricoh GR is prone to dust getting into the lens and causing permanent damage.
• Fujinon lens don't have this problem once you fit a UV filter on it.
• Fuji says using the AR-X100 and PRF-49 together make the X100VI weather-resistant. The Ricoh GR IIIx is not.
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Yes, some of the Olympus lenses are defintely over-priced. Even a Die-Hard fan like me felt so.
BUT it is probably because I am not able to see the value yet in these lenses.
I am still a casual bird and wildlife shooter and still happy with the Olympus 100-400mm costing $1300
Not every Olympus MFT lenses is ridiculously priced.
I went down with my Kaki to order the 150-400mm (that time was about S$13k) and despite the price, he was told he is the fifth in line, as every month, the distributor is only being allocated 1 to 2 pieces to sell!!!!?????
Same for my friend who bought the Leica Q2. I think the price is about 3x to 4x the price of the Fuji x100vi.
Also a fixed lenses camera. If we dont see the value, it is a point and shoot. If we appreciate its merits, it is a treasure to behold LOL
BUT it is probably because I am not able to see the value yet in these lenses.
I am still a casual bird and wildlife shooter and still happy with the Olympus 100-400mm costing $1300
Not every Olympus MFT lenses is ridiculously priced.
I went down with my Kaki to order the 150-400mm (that time was about S$13k) and despite the price, he was told he is the fifth in line, as every month, the distributor is only being allocated 1 to 2 pieces to sell!!!!?????
Same for my friend who bought the Leica Q2. I think the price is about 3x to 4x the price of the Fuji x100vi.
Also a fixed lenses camera. If we dont see the value, it is a point and shoot. If we appreciate its merits, it is a treasure to behold LOL
Mark Wiemels says the approximately 20 lenses (Fuji X mount) he showed in the video each cost less than USD$200?
Really, is that true? Fuji X series lenses are APS-C sensor format.
Hmm... look at the prices of some MFT lenses.
Olympus MFT ED 7-14mm f/2.8 PRO lens costs SGD$2,036.
Olympus MFT Digital ED 150-400mm F4.5 TC1.25X IS PRO Lens costs SGD$11,409.
Olympus MFT Digital ED 300mm F4 IS PRO Lens costs SGD$4,685.
If what Mark Wiemels says is true and you agree with him.
Then why would anyone want to buy into a MFT system?
But that is another story altogether.
By the way, I do not agree with Mark Wiemels entirely.
Title of thread says:
Fujifilm x100vi an expensive point and shoot?
The answer is Yes and so what?
The consumers who buy Fuji X100VI are more than happy to pay their money.
Mark Wiemels does not understand that Fuji X100VI is a fashion statement.
It has THE LOOK.
To many consumers, that is the Only Thing that matters.
Therefore when Mark Wiemels prattles on and on about alternative cameras' specifications and interchangeable lenses.
He misses the point entirely.
The 40MP, IBIS, Leaf Shutter, Hybrid viewfinder of the Fuji X100VI are pretty good specs. It is not shabby.
Why does a LV or Prada or Birkin bag cost more than an ordinary good bag say, by Muji brand or Uniqlo brand?
Its is up to the consumer to decide what they are willing to pay.
To some consumers, USD$1,600 for Fuji X100VI is reasonable.
For consumers with money, they will pay for a camera that attracts them.
Like this one, for example. Just saying. This special edition film camera costs a lot more than the Fuji X100VI.
Credit: mir.com.my
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