If it helps, I venture forth to suggest that if moderators are of the view that the current dicusssion deviates too much from the topic intent (which is of merit I would, but not necessarily something I would endorse), to save the discussion and allow it to continue, perhaps the moderators could move the supposedly OT discussions into a Kopitiam thread WITH A LINK back to this original thread.
This would not unncessarily cut the discussion short on the grounds that it is an OT discussion.
The onus would be on the members to do so if they wished to continue such a discussion Vince.
My previous post was a gentle reminder everyone (and not meant for anyone in particular) not too go too far OT or not to get too personal.