Event company looking for photographer

[Fallenphoenix]

Hi there, I'm a 34 yr old guy who has been taking photos since I was 14yrs old. I've shot models, wedding n for many big companies DInner&Dance, some as many as 100 tables. Pvt MSG me for details if u want to knw which companies I've shot.

I've started off using film manual camera, nikon EM, FM,FM2 etc.

I'm currently using nikon D700, nikon 18-35mm f4 vr, nikon 105 f2.8vr & nikon 70-200mm f2.8 vrii. I'm posting this to tell all the rest of the members here is photography is not abt money. It's about passion.

To whoever who is posting this, I'm willing to do it FOC. I don't take photography as a career. I make $ in the finanicial sector. More than s$150k a year. But I just enjoy taking photos in my free time.

I'll b off for a photography trip in Asia on 1 June, back middle month. Email me or check out my facebook to see some of my photos. I can get a few more of my fellow frezs for bigger event should u need more than 1 photographer. My email is "roy_mr2@yahoo.com".

Cheers!

I want a job that pays 150k a year and still allow me to have time for photography too =(
Do let us know if u take up the job. I'm looking forward to admire ur pics, especially coming from someone with 20yrs experiences and burning passion. The pics will be strong. I'm not kidding or mocking but sincerely want to see it. Someone with ur standing in the financial world, I reckon u would ve at least some decent reputation and ur words would not be cheap and empty. I'm looking forward to admire ur take on the event. Cheers.

For some, photography is a passion and for others it is a career or business. You do not need to boast that you work in the financial sector earning a miserable $150K a year. I earn that amount in a week without breaking out a sweat and I don't go around telling everyone in the forum.

You are also insulting the newbies and seniors here by insinuating and/or implying that they are wasting their time shooting pictures at Marina Bay or Sands. You are rude and should be waking up.

Here, TS is offering an "opportunity" but in realty could be charging the client an exhorbitant amount for the service. It is a commercial activity and the person to truly benefit is TS.

I'm advocating that we should not be so naive to do it in the name of learning when it is actually a case of exploitation. There are many areas we can do it for free if we want to practice our skills like Charitable organisations, RCs gathering or family outings.

Think about it.

Wa Uncle towkey....maybe when u're free, do come down to Melb to treat me drinks? I promise u to bring u to nice places to eat?

 

[roy999]

Hi all again,

it's ppl like hotworks77, who make $150k a week without breaking a sweat n then go for 6 mths holidays who we should b ashame of.

True. There are 2 classes of photographers. One do it for a living. The other do it for passion. In this thread, it obvious that the event company is looking for some "younger" photographer to shoot for them. True. The $80 per shoot is slightly low for 4 hrs. So what? How many ppl actually make $20 per hour?

I agree that there are many other events that a photographer may used as a learning platform, such as charity events, rc functions etc. However, I have to stress that d&d and other events for bigger companies should b a better learning experience for ppl new to photography. Example is Tat RC use community centre while private companies uses hotel ballroom.

A newbie got to start from somewhere. It's the same with every career. U start low and u grow from there. A nus engineer starting salary is abt $2200-$2500. So should he not take up the job cos the more senior engineers are getting $4-5k???

My point is that be humble, start from somewhere. There is no loss in accepting the lower paid job if you got free time. U would only learn more and experience more. U can meet ppl of different class n status in shooting for big companies pvt events. RC functions & charity functions have a totally different kind of ppl attending.

It is very sad to see the "newbie" being influence to see money as more impt than photography passion. And to the person who commented that ' there is difference between a $5000 job and a $500 job, and that one would understand the "QUALITY DIFFERENCE" if seen the photos'. Grow up please! Go shoot film and see how much difference there is!!!

There is at most very slight difference between a $5000 pro job and a $500 serious amerture job. The main difference now is the post processing, such as photoshop cs etc.

I've seen many so called "pro photographer" shooting weddings n models. Have u seen the RAW file they shot?? 80% of they use a wider angle lens, don't really compose the picture, then go back n crop n post process... But I must admit that their photoshop cs skills is good.

So wat us the point here? The event company wants done photos, just shoot some, enjoy the process, earn a bit of pocket money, and learn from there!

Case closed!!

 

[jeff7id]

we will provide a Nikon D90 with a 17-50mm F2.8 + a wide angle lens / SB90 flash for your usage . We may also be investing in a Nikon D700 for your usage in near future.

You will have to shoot about 200+ photos per event at your own creativity

SB90 ? :bigeyes:

 

[Senifer]

Hi all again,

it's ppl like hotworks77, who make $150k a week without breaking a sweat n then go for 6 mths holidays who we should b ashame of.

True. There are 2 classes of photographers. One do it for a living. The other do it for passion. In this thread, it obvious that the event company is looking for some "younger" photographer to shoot for them. True. The $80 per shoot is slightly low for 4 hrs. So what? How many ppl actually make $20 per hour?

I agree that there are many other events that a photographer may used as a learning platform, such as charity events, rc functions etc. However, I have to stress that d&d and other events for bigger companies should b a better learning experience for ppl new to photography. Example is Tat RC use community centre while private companies uses hotel ballroom.

A newbie got to start from somewhere. It's the same with every career. U start low and u grow from there. A nus engineer starting salary is abt $2200-$2500. So should he not take up the job cos the more senior engineers are getting $4-5k???

My point is that be humble, start from somewhere. There is no loss in accepting the lower paid job if you got free time. U would only learn more and experience more. U can meet ppl of different class n status in shooting for big companies pvt events. RC functions & charity functions have a totally different kind of ppl attending.

It is very sad to see the "newbie" being influence to see money as more impt than photography passion. And to the person who commented that ' there is difference between a $5000 job and a $500 job, and that one would understand the "QUALITY DIFFERENCE" if seen the photos'. Grow up please! Go shoot film and see how much difference there is!!!

There is at most very slight difference between a $5000 pro job and a $500 serious amerture job. The main difference now is the post processing, such as photoshop cs etc.

I've seen many so called "pro photographer" shooting weddings n models. Have u seen the RAW file they shot?? 80% of they use a wider angle lens, don't really compose the picture, then go back n crop n post process... But I must admit that their photoshop cs skills is good.

So wat us the point here? The event company wants done photos, just shoot some, enjoy the process, earn a bit of pocket money, and learn from there!

Case closed!!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[roy999]

By the way, another member posted that the event company could have charged the client loads of money, then only pay the poor photographer peanuts. Tat is nosense. Let me explain.

If a mother has 2 sons, jack & Peter. If mother were to give jack $10k, it's it right for Peter to be angry if the mother doesn't give Peter $10k? Hell no! It's mother's money and she us free to do what she like with it!

Same concept here. The event companies sales team went out to bring in the deal, the company than pays for the mobile disco, the MC, other artists, photographers etc. It's up to their purview how much they want to spend or pay each and every person. Just accept it or don't accept it is entirely up to u. Pls don't go around telling ppl not to accept it.

If a person were to be so calculative, then go find your own clients for the event companies. I'm sure they will b more than willing to pay u half their profit for the photography! Why? Cos u found the business deal! Case is simple as that.

The world is round, no fair n square. Doesn't mean that if a company earns $1000 per deal, he got to split fairly to all people. If 10 ppl work, then each get $100?? Even the mover at same amount??? NO!! this is not a communist country where everybody share the same amount.

National geo makes hundreds of millions dollars a year. Does nat geo pay the photographers millions a year???

 

[bayusuputra]

i think what the others are saying is that the low price will make future price be lower as well...
just like the standard wage for part timers, which is $6/hr, if one company start to lower the price, the rest will follow, by demand supply rule, equilibrium price will also goes down (back to school, anyone? ). and from what i see is that the replies are not meant to stop ppl from taking the assignment, i think it is to remind (or in a more direct word, criticise) the TS that he should not make the price ceiling goes down.

yeah, photography is a passion, being an engineer is also a passion, but i personally don't want to get a starting salary of $1000 just because one of the engineering companies pushed the price ceiling down, then the rest of the industry follow, then me and my fellow engineers will get a lower pay. i still want to be paid fairly...

moreover, TS wanted a creative shoots, which in general are, i assume, "pro" quality (of course i am generalising here/i do know that newbies or seasoned shooters can take great pictures, everyone can! ), so the requirements and the pay does not match, i think that is what the rest are not happy about.

so, i think we are here to suggest the TS that the price might affect the market overall,which is not good for the future of photography. who knows in the future sm1 offer $40 for 4 hrs and then it becomes the average pay?

but i also agree that this is passion, and some do not mind taking it in the name of passion. by all means, go ahead!
it is your own choice! we are just worried that for some who intend to take it professionally might be turned away due to lower pay and this may affect photography in some or may ways.

but i honestly think that everyone here is correct and the arguments for both sides are valid, even the TS have valid reason why the rate is as what he mentioned.

well, that is just my opinion..just want to share my thoughts about this..
sorry if it is lengthy, i can really summarise my words...

do correct me if i am wrong, as no ingle argument in this world is totally valid!
cheers!

 

[Melvinshot]

Assume that you are paid very low or almost none. And you don't have any side job but taking photography as a passion and job, thinking that you wana solely take up this line. Example SGD$80 for 4-5 hours and only require you about 1-2 days from that client per week. Your whole day of work, you travel, you eat, you drink. After the shoot maybe you decided to bring the photo back and do a little enhancing, there goes abit of your mental stress. Everytime you press your shutter, there goes your camera life, everytime you charge your battery, there goes your battery life, lets not go into the details. How do you survive? What if you have a family and your parents etc? Passion may be a key in this line but we still need money to SUSTAIN this passion. Nothing comes for free in this world! Its not that you guys are wrong or right. Everyone of you has a point there.
Well...lets not make a fuss about this issuse anymore. I guess all of you guys had made your point already. Lets not help this guy 'UP' his or her thread already. Lolx. The message here will give everyone enough information to read on their own. Any people with decent mindset and know what they are doing will know what to do and what not to do. To gain or to loose, soon they will see for themselves. Its like you cannot eliminate crime but you can prevent it from happening or reduce it to the minimum. Like what many said, you paid for what you get, you get for what you paid. What goes around comes around. There are still great photographer out there and I believe there are clients who are willing to pay that decent amount to get decent photos from you guys & gals. If your productivity is there, there are people who are willing to pay for your quality of work.
Cheers everyone!
Photography for life guys & gals!

 

[hotwork77]

I want a job that pays 150k a year and still allow me to have time for photography too =(
Do let us know if u take up the job. I'm looking forward to admire ur pics, especially coming from someone with 20yrs experiences and burning passion. The pics will be strong. I'm not kidding or mocking but sincerely want to see it. Someone with ur standing in the financial world, I reckon u would ve at least some decent reputation and ur words would not be cheap and empty. I'm looking forward to admire ur take on the event. Cheers.



Wa Uncle towkey....maybe when u're free, do come down to Melb to treat me drinks? I promise u to bring u to nice places to eat?

I'm residing in Perth mate, currently back in Singapore to visit my folks and enjoy chicken rice and fish head curry which I missed.

 

[hotwork77]

Hi all again,

it's ppl like hotworks77, who make $150k a week without breaking a sweat n then go for 6 mths holidays who we should b ashame of.

True. There are 2 classes of photographers. One do it for a living. The other do it for passion. In this thread, it obvious that the event company is looking for some "younger" photographer to shoot for them. True. The $80 per shoot is slightly low for 4 hrs. So what? How many ppl actually make $20 per hour?

I agree that there are many other events that a photographer may used as a learning platform, such as charity events, rc functions etc. However, I have to stress that d&d and other events for bigger companies should b a better learning experience for ppl new to photography. Example is Tat RC use community centre while private companies uses hotel ballroom.

A newbie got to start from somewhere. It's the same with every career. U start low and u grow from there. A nus engineer starting salary is abt $2200-$2500. So should he not take up the job cos the more senior engineers are getting $4-5k???

My point is that be humble, start from somewhere. There is no loss in accepting the lower paid job if you got free time. U would only learn more and experience more. U can meet ppl of different class n status in shooting for big companies pvt events. RC functions & charity functions have a totally different kind of ppl attending.

It is very sad to see the "newbie" being influence to see money as more impt than photography passion. And to the person who commented that ' there is difference between a $5000 job and a $500 job, and that one would understand the "QUALITY DIFFERENCE" if seen the photos'. Grow up please! Go shoot film and see how much difference there is!!!

There is at most very slight difference between a $5000 pro job and a $500 serious amerture job. The main difference now is the post processing, such as photoshop cs etc.

I've seen many so called "pro photographer" shooting weddings n models. Have u seen the RAW file they shot?? 80% of they use a wider angle lens, don't really compose the picture, then go back n crop n post process... But I must admit that their photoshop cs skills is good.

So wat us the point here? The event company wants done photos, just shoot some, enjoy the process, earn a bit of pocket money, and learn from there!

Case closed!!

Case closed? Not so fast mate!!!

What you have written is incoherent. If you bother to go through all my threads, you will notice that not once have I ever mentioned my status nor how much I made in a year. Is it not you who started boasting that you made $150K per year. What bearing does that have in this thread?

Now in trying to extricate yourself, you continually shoot yourself in the foot. You talk about being humble by first boasting how much you made in a year. Then you followed up by insulting newbies by saying they have wasted their time hanging around Marina and Sands taking pictures.

ClubSNAP is a community started by photographers for photographers. The aim is to raise standards and enjoy photography. Since you agreed that $80 per shoot for 4 hours is a bit low then why do you "encourage" newbie to go for it? It is a disservice to all newbies out there.

 

[Fallenphoenix]

I'm residing in Perth mate, currently back in Singapore to visit my folks and enjoy chicken rice and fish head curry which I missed.

>.< stop rubbing in~~~ I want my chicken rice~

 

[hotwork77]

i think what the others are saying is that the low price will make future price be lower as well...
just like the standard wage for part timers, which is $6/hr, if one company start to lower the price, the rest will follow, by demand supply rule, equilibrium price will also goes down (back to school, anyone? ). and from what i see is that the replies are not meant to stop ppl from taking the assignment, i think it is to remind (or in a more direct word, criticise) the TS that he should not make the price ceiling goes down.

yeah, photography is a passion, being an engineer is also a passion, but i personally don't want to get a starting salary of $1000 just because one of the engineering companies pushed the price ceiling down, then the rest of the industry follow, then me and my fellow engineers will get a lower pay. i still want to be paid fairly...

moreover, TS wanted a creative shoots, which in general are, i assume, "pro" quality (of course i am generalising here/i do know that newbies or seasoned shooters can take great pictures, everyone can! ), so the requirements and the pay does not match, i think that is what the rest are not happy about.

so, i think we are here to suggest the TS that the price might affect the market overall,which is not good for the future of photography. who knows in the future sm1 offer $40 for 4 hrs and then it becomes the average pay?

but i also agree that this is passion, and some do not mind taking it in the name of passion. by all means, go ahead!
it is your own choice! we are just worried that for some who intend to take it professionally might be turned away due to lower pay and this may affect photography in some or may ways.

but i honestly think that everyone here is correct and the arguments for both sides are valid, even the TS have valid reason why the rate is as what he mentioned.

well, that is just my opinion..just want to share my thoughts about this..
sorry if it is lengthy, i can really summarise my words...

do correct me if i am wrong, as no ingle argument in this world is totally valid!
cheers!

At the end of the day, what photographers want is to be compensated fairly whether they are newbies or seniors or pros.

TS offer is purely a commercial proposition but as you can see, the majority feels that the reward does not commensurate with the demands of the job. Even one other member who argued with me to the contrary agreed that $80 is a bit low.

 

[fotoudavid]

Why argue when this thread was allowed in the first place???

 

[nightwolf75]

Why argue when this thread was allowed in the first place???

as long as it is a paid gig, we generally will allow.

wat CS won't and can't police is the pricing. it is perogative of the TS to offer wat they want and it is the perogative of CSers to accept or reject. while some CSers will rant at the exploitation, i won't be surprised if someone has already taken the job.

thread closed sinve TS has not responded.